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[Rant] AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED?ANN.lu
Posted on 22-Mar-2004 09:03 GMT by Vmachine93 comments
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I've been a registered AmigaDE developer for years, and now Amiga Inc drop this bomb on us? They've been _promising_ us that our developement efforts would be put forth in AmigaOS! they've been promising us this for years! There was 3000 of us at one point, and you've just alienated ALL of us! We've worked for NOTHING. LIARS! You've screwed us ALL over. Again!!
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 51 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by on 22-Mar-2004 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (takemehomegrandma):
> I would love to see this in court! And if there is something I can do
to make that happen ...? ;-)

Yes, of course there is something you can do. I'm sure that with a bit of research you could find Garry's email address and pm him, expressing your 'concerns'. Then you'd see this in court pretty quickly.

What do you mean, 'no'? In that case, until you do pm him, STFU.
:-P
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 52 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 22-Mar-2004 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
I'm a real developer, in fact I've probably given Amiga Inc more money then anyone on here, and I dont know about 5 mailing lists, so why should he??
-Tig
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 53 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 22-Mar-2004 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Amon_Re):
Yet, you go yapping your mouth in every thread with the same sentence, you're getting as repetitive as EVA, and just as full as air too
________

Amon ...you are the one that continue to repeat since 3 years that AOs4 is ready ... is near release ... it's amiga ...
And your repetition are simply trolls and FALSE words as stated by reality: no Aos4 is outhere in spite of what you sing with Ben Herman and othe BAF in November 2001.
Accept quietly the reality: no Aos4 is out.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 54 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 22-Mar-2004 18:29 GMT
This is one of the sillier threads I’ve read; you must not be reading the Amiga news or looking at your developer updates. Amiga DE integration with Amiga 5.x was scraped a long time ago. DE does not provide a good foundation for the OS. What wasn’t ruled out was a port of the Amiga DE (CE) player (some of the earlier Fleecy comments deal with this). The comments from KMOS do not preclude such a product.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 55 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 22-Mar-2004 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (NihilVor):
"Fleecy: The long announced plan has always been to have AmigaDE technology running on AmigaOS4.2, the first PPC outing for the AmigaDE. This plan has not changed."

(Source: Ask Fleecy, 9 November 2003)

"I've seen reference to a new product, OS 4.2, which was defined as Amiga DE + OS 4.0. There is no such product in development or contemplated."

(Source: Garry Hare, 21 March 2004)

Seems a very clear contradiction to me.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 56 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Mar-2004 18:53 GMT
This is one of the dumbest rants in a long time.

Look if you truly are an AmigaDE developer you realize that AmigaDE sits on top of the OS. It's on top of Linux, it's on top of Windows, and it'll be on top of MorphOS. AmigaDE for AmigaOS4.2 was likely to be on top of AmigaOS4.x not the foundation. Thus, nothing's really changed here. Thus, you can still do AmigaDE stuff today and have a myriad of users. Perhaps it will run on top of AmigaOS4.2 in the future. So, there MAY not be any AmigaDE for AmigaOS. Guess you have to chance your business plan and figure out how to make millions to AmigaDE stuff on all the other platforms out there.

Go trolling else where.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 57 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 22-Mar-2004 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Lando):
Lando,
There is a big difference between an integration of DE into 4.0 (the original concept for 5.0; most of us applauded the fact that this was dropped) and porting a DE player (like they have for Windows—see the first ask Fleecy [" We have already stated that we are targeting an AACE player for AmigaOS4.2"], but the news of this change predates that by at least a year by McEwen). We’ve been over this many times over the past few years. Future versions of the Amiga OS will not be based on DE, but a DE player port is not out of the question.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 58 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 22-Mar-2004 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (T_Bone):
"> Exactly. Some people are not giving Bill Buck the credit he deserves.

[passes out on floor] :)"

Quickly, puts Peg as doorstop!! Give the man air!

We know Buck sucks all the air out of a room, let the man breathe.

lol
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 59 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Mar-2004 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
>Should i provide you the links, where Mc Ewen stated, that DE will be
>the next gen Amiga OS

Things companies say:
Microsoft said LongHorn would be out in 2004
Bungie said Halo2 would be out Christmas 2003
NASA said there were gonna be more manned missions to the moon last century
FORD had a dozen projects that never saw the light of day even after prototypes were built
The US Air Force said they wanted the F-23 then they went with the F-22
And so on...

Only trolls on ANN can't get over the fact that plans change.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 60 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Gopal on 22-Mar-2004 20:00 GMT
Moron
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 61 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by damien naviliat on 22-Mar-2004 21:23 GMT
hehe

give us your real name and AD number in order for us to see what kind of great work you've done! i'd also check if you posted pertinent emails in the past (hehe).
where you under sda? nda?

to moderators: hey? how can this kind of post pass moderation?
a real developer will pass at least his name to be pertinant.

damien
ad404
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 62 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Mar-2004 01:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (takemehomegrandma):
"Oh, this was IMO not a casual "change in plans", this whole scheme
must have been carefully planned over a year ago. Strip the assets in
two steps, first to one company and then to a second. So even if the
creditors would try to cancel the deal between Amiga Inc and Itec,
they would now find that the asset is out of reach because it was sold
on one further step (and everything was covered up in the dark)."


Oh, you mean like Bill Buck has been doing, taking assets from one an moving to the other and then "bankrupting" the first one? So maybe Amiga have finally learned how to play the game as well as the other side.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 63 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Tronman on 23-Mar-2004 03:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
Anonymous coward:

Were you there physically in the room with Bill McEwen when this evidence was presented? By him??

I was, in fact, sitting there next to Mr. Hughes and I saw, and read, that whole contract with my eyes, including where McE signed and/or initialled all over it. He was asked 'is this your signature?' and 'are these your initials?' Both cases his reply: 'yes.'

The contract very clearly stated a DE port was fair game for the current product OR ANY FUTURE GENESI PRODUCT. Period. There was no false evidence. So shut the hell up.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 64 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 23-Mar-2004 03:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
Oh, you mean like Bill Buck has been doing, taking assets from one an moving to the other and then "bankrupting" the first one? So maybe Amiga have finally learned how to play the game as well as the other side.

You might want to check the facts before making inaccurate comparisons. More generally, can you see what a waste of time and bandwidth it is to just say "Oh, like so-and-so is doing?" instead of responding to someone's points directly? That's your perogative, of course, but in my opinion if you want to defend Amiga, Inc. and KMOS, then offer some real defense and not just a childish "Genesi did it too". People see right through that: deflection means you have no defense.

-- gary_c
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 65 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Mar-2004 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (gary_c):
this does not reply to:

- who is the guy who wroten this kind of s**t
- what is he's developer number.

This person is probably not a developer, although so many here seems to "trust" him.

Strange way to act on ann.lu

When I see than I am moderated when I posrt link that concerns current Genesi lawsuits (they don't have just one with Amiga Inc, but they have many different and most important one) I am moderated, and when a 14+ child post this kind of horror message he isn't.

ann.lu=mos.lu
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 66 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 23-Mar-2004 07:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (gary_c):
> can you see what a waste of time and bandwidth it is to just say "Oh, like so-and-so is doing?" instead of responding to someone's points directly? That's
> your perogative, of course, but in my opinion if you want to defend Amiga, Inc. and KMOS, then offer some real defense and not just a childish "Genesi did it
> too". People see right through that: deflection means you have no defense.
THIS is a "defence" of NO ONE!
THIS is a "response" to gary_c!
THIS -- is me wondering whether gary_c is unable to detect BLUE MUD, although he is extremely excitable on the subject of RED MUD?

He tries (so hard) to accuse anyone who's soaked Red Dirt so much as to produce Red Mud, but fairly goes BLUE in the face at any insinuation that Any higher-up has created BLUE Mud!
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 67 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Mar-2004 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Eva):
Yea yea whatever, not that it's true or anything, but hey, i don't want to burst your bubble

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 68 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 23-Mar-2004 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Lando):
> Seems a very clear contradiction to me.

I don't see it; just because it is Amiga Inc's/Fleecy's plan having running DE in AmigaOS doesn't mean it is really in development or there's a real plan at the moment to do it.
Surely Amiga Inc has other problems at the moment.

Ciao, Alfred
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 69 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 23-Mar-2004 08:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
> When I see than I am moderated when I posrt link that concerns current Genesi
> lawsuits

When? Where? (comments, news?)

If anyone feels unfairly moderated, they should feel free to forward all pertaining information to me via email so I can decide if I should reconsider my decision, or if applicable, look into why another moderator has removed something.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 70 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Mar-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Christian Kemp):
I'll reposeted one, we'll see if this one is accepted, but if you accept posts like the "famous de developers who have been raped by amiga" and not mine....I will reconcider the serious of this site. But it's your choice to accept it or not.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 71 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Julian on 23-Mar-2004 11:18 GMT
I'm just interested in my $50 discount for OS4 when it comes out, that's what I was promised when I bought AmigaDE!!!
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 72 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by The Inquisitor on 23-Mar-2004 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Gopal):
Moron

http://amigaworld.net/userinfo.php?uid=770
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 73 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 23-Mar-2004 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
Something to bear in mind is that I'm not the only moderator, and that sometimes (given my past employment record) I may choose to have a different moderator edit/move news items so that nobody can accuse me of being biased, or of being too much in favour or too much against someone I've had previous business relations or an employment contract with.

Read into this what you want.

Fact is, at this point in time, I don't have any interest in either the "red" side of things or the "blue" side of things, and haven't used any Amiga-based or Amiga-inspired system in about four years... so I don't see how anyone could, in March 2004, still think I'm in favour of one solution or the other.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 74 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by serge on 23-Mar-2004 12:38 GMT
Amiga.inc does what they can to survive.
Without money, they cant do anithing good becaus nothing is money free on this worls, so they do sincere promises but impossible to.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 75 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Mar-2004 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
Christian -- do you moderate for poor spelling? ugh!
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 76 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Mar-2004 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
Where? What?

The thendic/Pretory crap? It was just a rehap of before, except that Cathala (spelling?) is gone at Air France.

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 77 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Mar-2004 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Christian Kemp):
/me forces Christain to get behind his old A500 & play Turrican ;)

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 78 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Captain Pegasos on 23-Mar-2004 12:52 GMT
"Amiga Inc." are all just morons.
Come to Pegasos and MorphOS !
It's much better than AmigaOS4 anyways !
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 79 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Mar-2004 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Anonymous):
If the moderators were to delete every post with spellingserrors, i think the quickest way would be to just drop the SQL dbase....

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 80 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 23-Mar-2004 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (vortexau):
"Mud, mud, glorious mud,
Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood!"

Hmm... doesn't seem to be working here, does it?

Gregg

P.S. As part of my continuing effort to only contribute posts of substance (Hi, graham_nli!), here is a link to the lyrics of this song by Flanders and Swann; some may find it edifying, though students of natural history may do well to view the alleged behaviours with some skepticism :

http://www.nyanko.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fas/hat_hippo.html
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 81 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Mar-2004 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Captain Pegasos):
Urgh! It's the man in tights!
No real man wears Spandex ;)

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 82 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Mar-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Gregg):
Gregg,

Ever considered posting at wrong planet? Some of your posts are hilarious ;)
(And i mean that in a good way!)

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 83 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Mar-2004 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Captain Pegasos):
Come to MacOSX it's much better then AmigaOS4.0 anyway!
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 84 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Mar-2004 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Anonymous):
I prefer Linux myself actually

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 85 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Mar-2004 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Anonymous):
Lol!

---
Sam
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 86 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 23-Mar-2004 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Amon_Re):
I don't think my A500 is working anymore.

But Turrican 2 was excellent.

I would be up for a game of that, or a quick Lotus 1 or 2... if I had the time to play games, that is.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 87 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 23-Mar-2004 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Tronman):
> The contract very clearly stated a DE port was fair game for the current product
> OR ANY FUTURE GENESI PRODUCT. Period. There was no false evidence. So shut the hell up.

Actually, the contract talked about any future THENDIC product... Didn't Buck say that the Pegasos was developed by DCE? One of his recent morphzone posts talked about DCE developing the Zico spec and didnt' get credit or something to that effect, referring to the Pegasos. So Thendic isn't credited with Pegasos (version 1 at least) as it being their product. Pegasos II gets somewhat confusing as it's certainly developed after the DCE/Thendic/Genesi merger, I'm not sure if Pegasos 1 was before or after this, but I had the impression it was before since DCE at one point back in time was to be the second AmigaOne licensee but that deal fell apart for whatever reason.

While the "agreement" does seem to grant any successor to Thendic same rights to DE on Thendic's products that Thendic had, I wonder if that right truely is transferrable to products developed by DCE (ie, not developed by Thendic), and if "Future Genesi products" (ie. Pegasos II), qualify as "future Thendic products"...

Can anyone with more legalese knowledge comment on this? Im still trying to learn and understand the current situation rather than just blindly accept propaganda coming from either direction...
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 88 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by R Habkirk on 23-Mar-2004 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (takemehomegrandma):
Sounds like BBVR stirring the pot because they have nothing to get from thier "Big Victory" over AmigaInc. It is not the end of the world, life goes on I am interested in OS 4.0 and beyond and have never had any intrest in AmigaDE.
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 89 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 23-Mar-2004 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Bill Toner):
>While the "agreement" does seem to grant any successor to Thendic same
>rights to DE on Thendic's products that Thendic had, I wonder if that
>right truely is transferrable to products developed by DCE (ie, not
>developed by Thendic), and if "Future Genesi products" (ie. Pegasos II),
>qualify as "future Thendic products"...

Sounds like they needed a clause in the contract regarding Transfer of Rights; and perhaps one spelling out what happens if either company is sold--whether there are re-negotiations or not, beyond the carrying out of established duties or processes.

--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 90 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 24-Mar-2004 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Bill Toner):
"Actually, the contract talked about any future THENDIC product... Didn't Buck say that the Pegasos was developed by DCE?"
not . . .Pegasos is developed by BPlan.
DCE is the company, that build it.

ATM, BPlan is the only (official) developer and distributor.

Ciao
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 91 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Mar-2004 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Christian Kemp):
I might still have a working A1200 laying arround, if you want it, it's yours (consider it my contribution to ann.lu)

Feel free to mail me about it, you should have my email address

Cheers
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 92 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 24-Mar-2004 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Amon_Re):
I still have a working (last time I checked) A1200... DKB 1230, not sure how much RAM, 2x speed CD ROM, 250MB HD... I haven't used it in years. It also doesn't play many of the "classic" A500 games (which I don't have anymore, either). Thanks for the offer, though. ;-)
AmigaOS and DE integration CANCELLED? : Comment 93 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 24-Mar-2004 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Framiga):
> not . . .Pegasos is developed by BPlan.
>DCE is the company, that build it.

Doh, that's right. Sorry. Just replace DCE with BPlan in my question then... :)
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