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[News] OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed?ANN.lu
Posted on 25-Mar-2004 09:03 GMT by Ketzer70 comments
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According to Theo de Raadt on the openbsd-misc mailing list the the code to support that platfrom will be removed from the source tree after 3.5 is out. Want to read more?
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 51 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Mar-2004 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Velcro):
Doesn't Nate work for them, he could answer.
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 52 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Mar-2004 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Amon_Re):
> For starters, the Pegasos is not an amiga, it's a related machine, but is not an Amiga. The Pegasos isn't about AmigaOS neighter, as it won't run AmigaOS

Semantics. Feels like an Amiga, smells like an Amiga, runs like an Amiga. More importantly, I see myself as an Amiga user writing Amiga software. Do I care that my first Amiga is a PC with a twisted personality and my second Amiga is a Pegasos and that the only real Amiga had to leave because a A3000/40, frankly speaking, sucks? No. Do I think that people who fanatcially insist that something is "not a real Amiga" have a few screws loose? You bet.

> for starters, BBRV ...

You are predictable like a Swiss clock. Everything can be explained with bbrv. "What do you think about the Iraq war, Amon_Re?" "For startes, BBRV .."
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 53 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Mar-2004 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Anonymous):
Get your head out of your ass & READ WHAT I WROTE.
For crying out loud, i didn't even say *ANYTHING NEGATIVE*, infact, it *WAS POSSITIVE*

If you want to call your Pegasos an Amiga, that's fine with me, call it whatever you like, i was merely correcting your over generic statement, take it like you will, but don't go claiming it runs AmigaOS, it doesn't, only if you'd run UAE on it you'd get AmigaOS to run on it, instead you have MorphOS, an API compatable system.

Cheers
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 54 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Mar-2004 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Anonymous):
BTW, reread my statement involving BBRV in that post, read past for starters and point me to a spot where i was being negative, insulting, or otherwise downplaying the guy.

If you can not, then i demand an apology from you, coward.

Cheers
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 55 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 25-Mar-2004 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Amon_Re):
Relax; breathe deeply; count to ten; laugh.

Gregg
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 56 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Mar-2004 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Gregg):
Really, you can't please some people, if i bitch about'm, they whine, if i don't, they whine...

Argh!

;)

Cheers
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 57 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by DoomMustard on 25-Mar-2004 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Amon_Re):
Theo De Raadt and Bill McEwen are in kahoots! He's a red troll!

Christ. The reason behind Theo leaving NetBSD was because he was adamant about code security. The rest of the core team were more concerned with getting it on as many platforms as possible.

Read up a little on OpenBSD. Its the most secure *nix OS in the world. Every year the core team has a "hack-a-thon" to audit the code and make it as secure as possible. To instantly discredit his opinion because you're a blue troll makes you... well, a blue troll. And an idiot.
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 58 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Mar-2004 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Amon_Re):
> but don't go claiming it runs AmigaOS

Actually, I just wanted to say that the Pegasos is about running and using AmigaOS, as opposed to using the hardware for BSD and Linux. I implicitely assumed that everybody here can deal with the implied abstractions by now, ie "it does not run AmigaOS3.1-(c)1996-Amiga Inc. literally but a facelifted turbocharged PPC variant of it". Go on with hair splitting and name tagging, if you like, I don't care about the non-tecnical lawyerly discussions. On a technical level, it's AmigaOS.

> API compatable system

Btw, I have come accross that spelling more often recently, from native English speakers. Is that an accepted form of compatible?
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 59 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Mar-2004 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
Well, you could avoid namesplitting by being more selective with your wordings.
And about compatable, i have no clue, i'm Flemish.

Where's my apology? Or is that another Anonymous?

Cheers
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 60 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Mar-2004 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
Err,

Namesplitting > hairsplitting

CHeers
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 61 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Mar-2004 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Amon_Re):
> BTW, reread my statement involving BBRV in that post, read past for starters and point me to a spot where i was being negative, insulting, or otherwise downplaying the guy. If you can not, then i demand an apology from you, coward

Excuse me, but you are the person who uses words like "ass" and has an apology deficit. Besides, I never claimed that you insulted anybody in this thread, I merely pointed out that in the world according to Amon_Re, just about everything can be explained with bbrv. Give me a thread about MorphOS or Pegasos and I'll bet that Amon_Re steps up with his irritating bbrv routine rather sooner than later.
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 62 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 25-Mar-2004 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Well, and his 20 post in a thread defending his world view (Hyperion is king, AmigaOS4 rocks, Bill Buck is the devil, etc.).
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 63 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 25-Mar-2004 23:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Amon_Re):
Mmm AMon so your whinery is open 24/7? ;D
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 64 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 25-Mar-2004 23:28 GMT
The tone and substance of the email show that this guy de Raadt has a grudge and an axe to grind. Obviously something went wrong with his relationship with "the Pegasos powerpc platform vendor" and so he posts this diatribe that is nothing but a revenge email in my view.

As a happy Peg user I dispute his comment that the Pegasos is "SLOW." Running MorphOS it is the most responsive computer I have ever used, when you think of number-crunching or heavy video processing or something like that where raw Ghz mean a lot, yeah in that case a 600 MHz PPC doesn't match the performance of a 3 Ghz Pentium4 or whatever. But that is not what the Pegasos is about. And then he says that there are "almost NO WORKING machines in existence" but I own one, and it works.

I hope he does post the emails he says he might, or maybe he is just running his mouth.
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 65 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 25-Mar-2004 23:43 GMT
And at least he says the upcoming OpenBSD 3.5 will support the Pegasos.
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 66 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 26-Mar-2004 01:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
>"In time, Dale or I may post some mail to show what has really gone on
>between them and us."
>
>Yes please!!

Well, if it's as erudite and as factual as this outburst that'll be something worth waiting for......NOT!

Said all I'm going to say on this thread in Amiga.org http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=16140&forum=22&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=25

Steve
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 67 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Mar-2004 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Daniel Miller):
"As a happy Peg user I dispute his comment that the Pegasos is "SLOW." Running MorphOS it is the most responsive computer I have ever used, when you think of number-crunching or heavy video processing or something like that where raw Ghz mean a lot, yeah in that case a 600 MHz PPC doesn't match the performance of a 3 Ghz Pentium4 or whatever. "

"Slow" generally means "slow at number-crunching", not "responsive". Responsiveness depends mainly on the operating system, and Amigas have always been responsive, even the 7MHz models. Put an unresponsive OS on slow hardware, and you get a slow computer. Put an unresponsive OS such as OS X on very fast hardware, and it does get less bad.

Now put MorphOS or AmigaOS on fast hardware, and it will be extremely responsive, in spite of losing the custom chips.
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 68 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 26-Mar-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Yea yea, whatever rocks your boat

Cheers
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 69 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Nate on 27-Mar-2004 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
And how well are those listed platforms actually supported?
OpenBSD support code for Pegasos to be removed? : Comment 70 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Mar-2004 02:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (DoomMustard):
Theo left Net due to "personality problems", there is no difficutly reading up on this since the 386bsd archive is on Google groups complete.

And Open is not the most secure OS out there, that is just a marketing hype, the Open has never been able to provide any third party data to justify that claim, furthermore almost all of the core developers have left for Net in the last couple of years, and alomst all site Theo as the problem.

Apart from that, I used to run an Open system for a couple of years, at that time you used to find it used in the oddest places although much less used than the other BSD's, it's dead by now, go to netcraft for verification and I cannot understand what all the fuss is about
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