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Posted on 26-Mar-2004 06:10 GMT by Dale Rahn125 comments
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OpenBSD/pegasos gone. From what originally sounded like promising Open Source support, the relationship between Genesi and Dale Rahn has turned quite sour. OpenBSD/pegasos gone.

From what originally sounded like promising Open Source support, the relationship between Genesi and Dale Rahn has turned quite sour.

I was initially contacted in Oct 2002 regarding porting OpenBSD to the Pegasos I system. After some months, they contracted me to port and support OpenBSD on the Pegasos I for a small amount of money and 5 boards for the use of myself and other OpenBSD developers. Due to the production/hardware problems in the Pegasos I boards, I ended up receiving one board. After the port was up and running with snapshots and source changes available, it became clear that those systems were not to ship in quantity, and the effort was stopped.

I was then contacted early in October 2003 asking me to update the port for the 3.4 release. Because the funding for the DARPA Grant which had been paying me was running out, I updated the code, made several improvements and had it ready for a simultaneous release with the official OpenBSD release.

I was hired on Oct 27 2003 as a non-benefits employee. Genesi wanted me to port and support OpenBSD on the Pegasos II system. When I was hired, I tried to impress on Bill Buck (who hired me over the phone) that documentation was required to write the software and support a commercial offering based on the Pegasos boards. I was reassured that documentation would not be a problem.

Genesi was in talks with ShopIP regarding shipping Pegasos based firewall boxes running ShopIP's crunchbox software. They were chasing the high revenue opportunity. Because of my status in OpenBSD and the fact that Genesi was (to be) paying me a salary I worked on finishing the Pegasos port and getting it into the OpenBSD tree.

Things appeared to be going well, however a minor delay was announced with our Dec 1 paychecks. They were to be delayed until about Dec 10 due to 'stock market issues'. I was flown out to New York City to help with the presentation of the 'Guardian', the Pegasos Crunchbox at the InfoSec conference. When at the conference some unusual negotiation was occurring between ShopIP and Genesi, there were some questions raised as to who the 'IP' of ShopIP belonged as apparently the developer had not been paid for nearly 2 years. This apparently came out about the time that Genesi and ShopIP were negotiating how the guardian was to be configured and the proceeds distributed.

As the conference ended, the delayed payday arrived. Several of the other 'employees' of Genesi were quite anxious to receive their checks and a plan was made to FedEx the checks from the conference. Since I was at the conference with Paul, I was written a check (for Oct and Nov) and handed it.

Later I find out that the other checks which were to be FedEx'ed were never sent. The check which I was handed (for $10,000) turned out to be dated 12/11/01 (two years previous), the bank refused to honor the check and did not even attempt to cash it. (Much later I find out that the account did not have the money present, even if the check had gone thru the bank).

After living thru a very uncomfortable Christmas, my smallest and most miserable in my life because I had not seen any money from Genesi, I finally blew up shortly after the new year and told them I was ready to walk. Part of me was still hoping to get the 15,000 they owed me at that point, or I would have walked then. This resulted in them paying me for one month of work ('we have no money left') to keep me around.

The Pegasos II which had just shipped and was still sitting unopened on the floor might have also influenced that money. So, I was mollified and the OpenBSD port was started. Unfortunately, because of non-standard PCI probing methods in the new northbridge, porting the software took longer than expected.

After some workarounds from hints from thrice forwarded emails, I was able to configure the system and get it running. It would have been quite straightforward to have written this properly if they had provided the documentation as they had planned. I pointed this out and stated that to write the gigabit ethernet which was to be used in the Guardian product, it would need that documentation otherwise a performant correct driver could not be written. bPlan and the Linux developer Sven (who by that time was unemployed due to Thendic-France closing) had the documentation. I, however, as a Genesi employee was not allowed to obtain the documentation.

Finally, (to shut me up I think), I was sent the linux driver for the onboard gigabit. I had previously told them that having a linux driver as reference would be nice but could not replace documentation, as most linux drivers do not lend themselves to being comprehended in such a way that the hardware is understandable and that a driver for OpenBSD could be written. That and the fact I found they were not configuring the gig-E interrupt correctly, but were tying it to the generic IRQ9 so that it gets serviced occasionally, was quite amusing.

I continued attempting to improve the port for some time, meanwhile working on OpenBSD/cats, however little progress was made on Pegasos.

It was announced that a new Pegasos II board run would occur and hints appeared on the developer chat areas that new firmware enhancements were to appear. Wanting OpenBSD to be able to support the new features (reset!) of this firmware, I attempted to obtain a copy. After about a week of begging on the chat sessions, I was able to locate someone who had a copy of the early firmware and obtain a copy. The normal source, the developer and the other bPlan representatives ignored all requests.

When I tested this new firmware on my machine, I panicked. OpenBSD would not boot. It would load the kernel and hang. I IMMEDIATELY contacted the Genesi and bPlan people claiming that this firmware had problems and that these problems needed to be resolved before the hardware was released. I offered my time to help locate the change which caused the problem, whether it was an error in the new firmware or modified assumptions that both the firmware and the OpenBSD kernel make. I received exactly one response stating some things had changed, however the reply was not specific enough to use to start debugging the issue. All other attempts at contact were ignored. About 1.5 weeks later the new boards were released and according to information by one of the users, released with firmware made the day I contacted them (which was newer that what I tested). No further communication was received after _many_ attempts were made.

After over a week of this, the announcement that (again?) there would be no payments made (was the end of the month again) and that the health benefits which they had been promising for the last 3 months would be delayed at least another month, I resigned (the date, March 1st). It was quite clear that Bill Buck who was supposed to be CEO of Genesi and 'in charge' had no power over bPlan. bPlan didn't care at all about OpenBSD or the overall quality of the board in the embedded market. I received a simple reply that was an acceptance of my resignation, and a statement that "We will make every effort to pay you for the services you have provided over the past several months".

At the point I left Genesi, I did not threaten or put any conditions on OpenBSD/pegasos. I continued asking Genesi/bPlan for fixed firmware or comments on what changed. No response ever came.

Finally I sent them a note stating that it was too late for any changes to go into the OpenBSD release (which is at the end of the 3.5 release cycle) and that we would not be able to release OpenBSD/pegasos based on the support provided and that it would be removed from the tree after 3.5. This finally provoked a response: Since "you were not able to work on Genesi related projects after February 4th" any "consulting fees" would not paid past that date. In addition, I was to be billed for the two boards which were sent to Theo de Raadt.

This is how I was treated in the employ of Genesi, I hope that no others will be hurt by this company's empty promises or as a result of using their shoddy products.

So here I am after having worked for Genesi for 4.5 months, paid for almost _5_weeks_, and searching for a job. Sigh.

OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 101 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Dresing, PhD. on 27-Mar-2004 01:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Interesting):
> Well this will fire the flames, but I'm ticked off about it.

Are you also getting paid by Ben Hermans to post here? Or are you one of the guys getting paid by Garry Hare?

Or are you too COWARDLY to talk about that here?

I have no problem telling you who I work for! AmigaInc!!!!!!!!!

> These news releases about IBM & Motorola are just Spin. IBM & Motorola, are not investor/partners in Genesi!

Well Genesi are listed on IBM & Motorola's website.

Hyperion and friends (iTec & KMOS) are too busy stripping AmigaInc's assets to care about building up their market.

> This new show(s) buck is promoting, with Motorola developers, is costing some real funds, trust me. I would not be surprised if 50-100 thousand dollars or more, is going into this "project".

Surprise!!!! You do not understand the importance of getting proper industry recognition. You think that backroom deals, such as KMOS are GREAT for this marketplace!!!

> IMHO, pay the employees/contractors first!


Garry: KMOS' strategy (which we hope makes sense) requires me to acquire or develop several pieces of a technical puzzle. Amiga's OS is an important part, but it is only one part. It is much easier to go about this quietly. If I told you I really, really wanted to buy your car, the price has a tendency to go up. I wanted to avoid that.

It appears that one former Amiga employee transferred intellectual property (now KMOS' intellectual property) to a third party for financial gain. That is a criminal act and should be treated as such. He went on to brag about it on public boards. That's not a criminal act, just not very smart. Other than that, with the possible exception of this guy in Australia, I'm not very interested in the actions of individuals.


We can all learn from Garry Hare's example here. First buy out Amiga at reduced firesale prices. Second, blame everything on former employee's accusing them of stealing your assets. Garry Hare, what a nice guy!

Who the hell is the former employee in Australia?
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 102 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 27-Mar-2004 01:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Graham_nli):
"No, no, the scam isn't Genesi, it's Amiga Inc and KMOS and Itec! It is!" I'm disappointed. Amiga Inc was fraud company and if KMOS supports Amiga Inc by any means KMOS is a fraud company too. I dont think Genesi is fraud company or that BBRV is cheater, but if someone says so I don't have anything to defend them for. Genesi also did good things, really - and I'm honest, but this OpenBSD incident is simply unacceptable.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 103 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Dresing, PhD. on 27-Mar-2004 01:31 GMT


Everyone Note this:

1.) Garry Hare does NOT plan to pay former AmigaInc employee's.

2.) Garry Hare does NOT plan to honor coupons or t-shirt offer from AmigaInc.

3.) Garry Hare is a Liar! Prove me wrong!

4.) Ben Hermans is the BRAIN behind all this. Time to bring him into the spotlight!

OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 104 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 27-Mar-2004 01:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Wayne Dresing, PhD.):
Put a sock in it! This thread has nothing to do with Garry Hare, Amiga Inc, Hyperion or Ben Herman. If you're going to troll, at least do it somewhere more appropriate. >:(
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 105 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Dresing, PhD. on 27-Mar-2004 01:37 GMT
Bloody HELL I posted to the wrong thread! I meant to post this to the business card thread!
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 106 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 27-Mar-2004 01:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Wayne Dresing, PhD.):
>> These news releases about IBM & Motorola are just Spin. IBM & Motorola, are not investor/partners in Genesi!>> Well Genesi are listed on IBM & Motorola's website. IMO, it is not enough to hooray. Being listed on IBM & Motorola's website mean more recognition and PR, better business contacts and so on. It is not bad being listed there but it doesnt mean 100% perfect company either. I'm worried there have been so many problems with workers in the company. It is not end of the world but Christian Kemp, Wayne Hunt, Coyote flux, Dale Rahn, anyone else I did not mention? Maybe it is just bad luck, maybe just Amiga curse, maybe something else, but in the end it is not giving good reputation. Anyway, what ever is happening around Genesi I can assure MorphOS developers are honest and tell everything they can. If they werent I would not be here.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 107 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 27-Mar-2004 02:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Johan Rönnblom):
Johann Rönnblom says:

> I can confirm that there have been invalid cheques handed out in
> the US.

Who, specifically, handed them out? Who signed them?
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 108 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 27-Mar-2004 02:15 GMT
This is a sad story. I have learned that there are two sides to every story though. Everybody enjoys themselves when a company is paying well, but then when things are not well financially, that is not a good time for anyone. I note that Dale concedes that Genesi has stated their intent to settle up with him as best they are able to. I am sure they are sincere about that, so that is something.

Genesi is doing a great thing by trying to make the Pegasos-MorphOS product a succesful enterprise. I give them mucho credit for this! I'm a big Genesi fan, but I will also take a look at this allegation about bad checks and I will criticize this appropriately based on some details, how about some?
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 109 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by cecilia on 27-Mar-2004 03:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Daniel Miller):
"but I will also take a look at this allegation about bad checks and I will criticize this appropriately based on some details, how about some?"

do you want people to post pictures of their bounced checks?
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 110 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 27-Mar-2004 07:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (corpse):
"The truth is, on the internet unless you give out serious personal data e.g. home address, telephone number etc you're just as anonymous as anyone else."

That isn't really true. There are plenty of people who post regularly, have web sites, are seen at shows, and have a recognisable point of view and stle of writing. Bill Hoggett, for example, or Bernie Meyer. They are not anonymous.

There are others who pop up from nowhere with trollish comments and disappear again. These are anonymous and often non-existent.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 111 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Jope on 27-Mar-2004 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> OK, I enjoy a quick troll as much as the next guy (troll?), but I think that's taking things a bit far, don't you?

No, I honestly don't care.. I stand by that wording 100%.. I'm sorry if peoples lives go awry, but shouldn't they have acted themselves instead of relying on promises?

If I was in a position that my employee didn't pay me on time and the correct amount, I'd walk out at that very moment. Thus if someone wants to keep on working for a company without a steady paycheck, I say: go right ahead, but don't come crying to me if you're backlogged on salaries, without hope of getting them.

The job I had before my current one involved two things:
- They moved me to a different company without asking (albeit the two were interconnected)
- I didn't get a written job contract(!!) from the new company
I left and haven't regretted it one bit. They did actually pay me on time, but my tolerance is pretty low for ANY tricks on the employers part.

There's no room for sentiments in the business world, the employer doesn't love you, so why should you get all wet-eyed towards them?! You're just an asset, but you still deserve to be treated properly, not pushed around.

Please think about it.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 112 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Jope on 27-Mar-2004 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (takemehomegrandma):
"BTW, if you are going to use a TV card on your Pegasos, you might want to use a non-Articia motherboard (Pegasos II)."

I'm going to use a DVB card.. I hope I can get the drivers compiled etc..

If it doesn't work, I can always sell the board on ebay, some kind soul will definitely make it worth my while.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 113 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Jope on 27-Mar-2004 07:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Amon_Re):
"Eyetech sofar has a rather solid reputation, you might consider them, unless you have problems with the price of the board & all the inuando that floats arround the ArticiaS."

Heh, nah.. Too expensive and I came to the conclusion that I don't really need it either.. I'd be interested to give OS4 a spin, however, just to see what they came up with. :-)

I'm kind of separating myself from passionate computing and going to more of a "computers are a tool" kind of mindset. That is, I don't bash Windows, I don't bash Linux, all OSes and platforms deserve a chance and if they don't work for me, then I just don't use them. :-)
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 114 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Mar-2004 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Wayne Dresing, PhD.):
For a shrink, i think it might be adviseable that you go see one.
Your obsession with Ben Hermans is worrying, there are more people in Belgium then just me & Ben you know...

Imbecil

Cheers
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 115 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 27-Mar-2004 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Wayne Dresing, PhD.):
>1.) Garry Hare does NOT plan to pay former AmigaInc employee's.
>2.) Garry Hare does NOT plan to honor coupons or t-shirt offer from AmigaInc.

Go back and learn high school Business Studies in relation business legal entities e.g. one shouldn’t expect Gateway to respect/pay/honor ESCOM’s liabilities. The principle is similar to 'Amiga Inc' and 'KMOS' situation..
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 116 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 27-Mar-2004 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Amiga is dead):
There’s always AROS…
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 117 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 27-Mar-2004 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Wayne Dresing, PhD.):
Weren't you told not to post in all caps in another thread by Christian, and that was your final warning about it?

Bloody trolls.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 118 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 27-Mar-2004 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Been There, Done That):
Besides the problem that we'll never know when an anonymous coward stops to support someone, I'd like to add just for the record that as far as you might be referring to me as well, I broke already last autumn with them thanks to those who warned me when there were intentions that I should join Genesi, too. I just did not go public about this since I did and kind of still do separate between Genesi, bplan and the MorphOS team. Harming the one would have meant harming the other as well. Furthermore it was not for me to mention these things publically as long as those people concerned directly, the employees and contractors of Thendic-France and Genesi, had their reasons obviously to don't do so themselves either. But the careful observer certainly has followed my change in public commenting since autumn last year. To sum it up: in case it should be really necessary ever, I think there will be enough people then who can testify that I did distance myself earlier already than only now that "the light was turned on" also in public.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 119 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 27-Mar-2004 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Don Cox):
Don Cox says:

> Corpse: "The truth is, on the internet unless you give out serious
> personal data e.g. home address, telephone number etc you're just as
> anonymous as anyone else."

> That isn't really true. There are plenty of people who post regularly,
> have web sites, are seen at shows, and have a recognisable point of
> view and stle of writing. Bill Hoggett, for example, or Bernie Meyer.
> They are not anonymous.

Sure, and I also accept that an established nickname on a given board like Golem or Corpse or OgalaxyO should not be considered anonymous, especially when there's a valid email listed and the assumption that you can find out who the actual person is if you want to.

> There are others who pop up from nowhere with trollish comments and
> disappear again. These are anonymous and often non-existent.

These are the real problem that make things unenjoyable for others. And in a lot of cases it is a "regular" in the community who is too ashamed to put his name on the comment so he posts anonymously under no nick or a throw-away nick.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 120 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 27-Mar-2004 11:30 GMT
Genesi rock!
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 121 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Been There, Done That on 27-Mar-2004 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (-D-):
As posted by an anonymous, dickless poster. I do love irony. :-D
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 122 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Been There, Done That on 27-Mar-2004 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Wayne Dresing, PhD.):
Did you get your PhD. from the same matchbook that Dr. Czerwinski did?
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 123 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Joe on 27-Mar-2004 15:21 GMT
I enjoy watching these companies crash and burn. i hope Hyperion and Kmos go down the same road and self destruct, you companies are all getting what you deserve and i am happy to watch.

Thankfully i have invested $0 in a Teron or Peg so i can enjoy those products and companies die.
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 124 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Mar-2004 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Eva):
"but Genesi manner to distribute Pegasos, pay developers, release information and so on was and is unacceptable."

Eva needs more blue pills !!! ;)
OpenBSD end pegasos support, (Dale's Story) : Comment 125 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by -D- on 27-Mar-2004 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Been There, Done That):
>As posted by an anonymous, dickless poster. I do love irony. :-D

Sorry, anonymous,

Damion Diehl, "-d-"
Reno, Nevada
USA
(email above)

So who's dickless now, bizzatch? ;-D
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