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[Motd] Legal threats?ANN.lu
Posted on 06-Apr-2004 07:24 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2004-04-06 10:09:44 GMT by Christian Kemp)1057 comments
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I am currently being threatened by my former employer (they are "compelled [to] take action against [me]") for the way I am running ANN, and how this allegedly violates my employment contract with them ("interfere _in any manner_ with any business relationship between the Company and any of its customers or business partners"). This might entail drastic changes to the relative freedom of speech ANN has always allowed its visitors, or ANN might close down altogether. Updated 10:00 CET.
Legal threats? : Comment 251 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Apr-2004 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (Amon_Re):
> relevant

Do you think you'll go on for long with those one-word comments that say nothing?
Legal threats? : Comment 252 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Apr-2004 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 250 (Sammy Nordström):
If those were his reasons, then he should have simply announced that the policies changed when they would have changed. No point in announcing that they, maybe, some time in the future, might change, or might not.
Legal threats? : Comment 253 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Apr-2004 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Fabio Alemagna):
I disagree, and i can understand why he worded it so carefully.
Christian's word is more then enough for me, it was in the past (you might remember that i defended Christian in the past, even during his employment with Genesi) and in the future.

He's one of the few people in this community i trust.

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 254 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Apr-2004 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (Matt Parsons):
BBRV should come after me if he has trouble with what i say or do, he has my full contact information, including my mobile number.

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 255 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Apr-2004 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hey, we can't always agree can we? Now, where do i drop my 50 Euro?

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 256 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Apr-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 253 (Amon_Re):
> I disagree, and i can understand why he worded it so carefully.

Ok, then please explain it to me.

> Christian's word is more then enough for me,

I'm sorry, but blind trust here doesn't cut it. We've heard one side of the story, and not even all of it. It's objectively not enough to make any judgements, no matter how trustable any of the parties involved is.

> it was in the past (you might
> remember that i defended Christian in the past, even during his employment
> with Genesi) and in the future.

So I'm safe in assuming that your only interest in this story is not knowing the truth, but slandering Genesi and BBRV.
Legal threats? : Comment 257 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Been There, Done That on 06-Apr-2004 14:08 GMT
Undoubtedly, Buck remembers a phrase from his supposed military days:

"You have to burn a village to save a village"

Just the sort of thing one could expect from the truly disturbed.
Legal threats? : Comment 258 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 06-Apr-2004 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 252 (Fabio Alemagna):
How is he supposed to announce that ANN.lu has been shutdown without a site to make the announcement on? I'm sorry but your reasoning doesn't make sense. It is only *now* when we know that the future of ANN.lu is uncertain that we are able to show our support and, if not help him with financial means, maybe atleast motivate him to fight back and continue running this site like before instead of letting that "former employer" win.

I find your reluctance to making these kind of things public quite disturbing. Even if it causes certain flamewars, I'd say it's a good thing that it's not covered up.
Legal threats? : Comment 259 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by MegaHurts on 06-Apr-2004 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (Bernie Meyer):
Maybe, I interpret Christian's message a bit differently. To me it looks like BB has lost a business partner and is trying to blame Christian, by saying the comments he made about non payment of advertising space has caused this relationship to fail. At least that's what the line in the employment contract quoted is about. BB can't see past the end of his nose and realise that he is to blame for any failed relationship.

I think everyone esle is massively jumping to conclusions when relating it to the Ainc case.
Legal threats? : Comment 260 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by MegaHurts on 06-Apr-2004 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 259 (MegaHurts):
then again it's probably all just hot air and meant to scare Christian into playing nice.
Legal threats? : Comment 261 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 06-Apr-2004 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 257 (Been There, Done That):
>Undoubtedly, Buck remembers a phrase from his supposed military days:

>"You have to burn a village to save a village"

and what CND propaganda pamphlet did you lift that little gem from?
Legal threats? : Comment 262 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Apr-2004 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (Fabio Alemagna):
"> Christian's word is more then enough for me,

I'm sorry, but blind trust here doesn't cut it."

It isn't blind trust. We've known Christian for years, and he is in an exposed position, running this board.

In my judgement he is straightforward and honest. I think he is also right now somewhat angry.
Legal threats? : Comment 263 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by cheesgrate on 06-Apr-2004 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 261 (Darrin):
cnd?
Legal threats? : Comment 264 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by oxygenet32 on 06-Apr-2004 15:16 GMT
Sorry to hear about this :-(

Something occured to me though, there wasn't really any RED or BLUE trolls until BBRV appeared on the scene, AmigaOS supporters in general supported AROS as an alternative that Amiga fans had the control over and we were happy. Genesi appear and screw everything up - we're split into groups just by the version of the OS we prefer - automatically - not by our views or opinions.

Get rid of BBRV, put someone decent in charge of MOS and let us all get back together as a community, for as far as I can see it's only been so damaged since BBRV have been on the scene - if they don't get their way they sue, pathetic. This is my view and I am entitled to it from the place where I post - the USA, freedom of speech.

Chris
Legal threats? : Comment 265 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 06-Apr-2004 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (T_Bone):
Fabio is playing games. I suspect his loyalty is probably swayed by the donation that was given to AROS as part of BBRV's "charm offensive".

I frankly see no other meaning to the message than this: BBRV is threatening to sue Christian with a view of closing down ANN. If he is successful on the basis of what people wrote on the site rather than because Christian made the issue of non-payment of advertising fees public, then he would set a precedent which would also allow him to do the same to Amiga.org. Wayne might want to track down that lesbian organisation and flog them the domain after all. :-P

I don't see Fabio saying that BBRV would be wrong to make the threat. Instead, he is saying that Christian is unprofessional for making the threat public without opening himself to other legal action by naming all the names involved.

Personally, I think that all such threats should be made public, and that the threatened party is right to do so in whatever manner least exposes them to legal retribution. Such matters are easy to prove one way or the other should both parties agree to have the correspondence made public, right?
Legal threats? : Comment 266 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by oxygenet32 on 06-Apr-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 265 (Bill Hoggett):
I think he has the RIGHT to make the threat public - it shows the character of a person/company, and that can make or break a persons desicion to purchase from them in the future. If someone is notorious for being nasty and underhanded, would you want to trust them with your money to provide not only the hardware but support? Seems like there's MANY more problems here than even with A.INC, alot of negativity all around for BBRV now - even from programmers not getting what they need to do a good job. I think BBRV are going down and they can sense it, so they want to take the WHOLE community with them.

Chris
Legal threats? : Comment 267 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 06-Apr-2004 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 263 (cheesgrate):
>CND?

The "Campaign for Nuclear Devastation"... err I mean Disarmament (unilateral).

They used to be quite big back in the Cold War days and would entertain themselves by picketing cruise missile bases, blocking nuclear convoys and infiltrating exercise areas and doing things like trying to paint the missiles pink.

Consisting of mainly hippy pot smokers and lesbians, they’ve now gone rather quiet, probably due to the fact that the Cold War is over and they all got jobs like Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers and Social Workers. ;-)

I remember one particular incident in Salisbury where a rather attractive female member stood outside the fence and proceeded to remove her clothes to distract (and it worked!!!) the guards while her friends cut a hole in the fence elsewhere and broke in. Marvelous!!! :-)
Legal threats? : Comment 268 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 06-Apr-2004 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 230 (itix):
@itix

> Could you post the entire message you got from this Company?

Has it crossed your mind that doing so would expose him to further legal action?
Legal threats? : Comment 269 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 06-Apr-2004 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 264 (oxygenet32):
>Something occured to me though, there wasn't really any RED or BLUE trolls until
> BBRV appeared on the scene, AmigaOS supporters in general supported AROS
>as an alternative that Amiga fans had the control over and we were happy.

Must have been another planet, but I do know for sure that certain people were allready
throwing all sorts of shit against MOS when I rejoined the community in Mid 2001, a
time when BB was only considered a figure of the past.
Legal threats? : Comment 270 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 06-Apr-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 265 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill Hoggett wrote:
> I don't see Fabio saying that BBRV would be wrong to make the
> threat.

Well, that's not Fabio's fault. Try comment 41 for example.

Anyway you both seem to agree with me that it would be better if
Christian posted more info, preferrably the whole "threat" (quotations
because I haven't seen it, and Christian himself put a questionmark in
the topic).
Legal threats? : Comment 271 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (T_Bone):
>>>>From who? The only person I can think of who seems to have any money is Garry Hare :D<<<<<<

Right!

>>>Genesi no more manufactures the Pegasos than does Vendome Investment Inc. of the Cayman Islands. <<<<<

KeY words from Gary Hare's "Vendome Investment & Cayman Islands
Legal threats? : Comment 272 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Atheist2):
>>>>Lolololololololololololololol.......!!!!!

If it's him...GO TO COURT! <<<<<

Sorry, I don't find it funny. Christain has a good "real" job that pays. Going to court would take time and might hurt his job etc.


F A M E ! Remember MY name!!!!
Legal threats? : Comment 273 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Apr-2004 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (Fabio Alemagna):
He worded it like that to protect himself.

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 274 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Apr-2004 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (Fabio Alemagna):
So I'm safe in assuming that your only interest in this story is not knowing the truth, but slandering Genesi and BBRV.

Wrong, my only intrest is the survival of ann.lu.

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 275 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by MorphOS-Pegasos-User on 06-Apr-2004 15:53 GMT
@CK
1. Now finally you gave them a good reason to kick your ass, by
opening this thread. Several dozens of insults and nearly all post are
simply attacks vs. genesi. Do you think somebody likes to be dragged
into smut? By YOU? If you think you can go on with your fud against
genesi ,stop whining and take the consequences of your deeds!


@ALL
2. MorphOS IS NOT genesi, neither Pegasos is!
MorphOS is made by the MorphOS-Developer and they are INDEPENDENT from
genesi, exactly like bplan is NOT genesi.bplan is INDEPENDENT, just
like MorphOS is. I think this is very clear.
Legal threats? : Comment 276 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>>>>In any case, I'd say let's stop with speculation and ask Christian to tell us how things are for real.

Oh, wait, we already asked him... :-) Chris, now do the right thing and say the whole story.<<<<<

There you go! Just counter threaten, that all you know, is going to be made public......that will shut the bastards up!

or Plan B: send copies of everything to the FBI offices, and get some protection. They could have a file going on this case?

At this point Christian must know he won't be getting paid. He needs to cut all ties....and fast!
Legal threats? : Comment 277 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (takemehomegrandma):
>>>>As I said, Christian, I am very sorry it came to this, and I hope that your post here will improve your situation (but I'm afraid it might be the opposite, it might even fuel the fire even more when a fire estinguisher might have been more suitable) ...<<<<

Its far better to get the truth out and get on with you life.
Legal threats? : Comment 278 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Apr-2004 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 275 (MorphOS-Pegasos-User):
This thread has nothing to do with MOS.
As for dragging Genesi through the mud, ever heard the term "reap what you sow"?

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 279 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Apr-2004 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 216 (Bobson):
>The bitter ppl are unable to let go, dont like being proved that their hero
>worship was unfounded - and are by default true blind followers of a
>personality - which in my oppinion is worse than being a blind follower of a
>machine.

Not really. Those obsessed with Buck forget that MOS
was around long before he came onto the scene, and it had supporters long before too. Before
that, it was Ralph Schmidt who was the evil bogeyman.
It's interesting that the so-called MOS-fanatics
haven't shown one word of support for Buck during
this. However, even after what Wayne said some time
ago about Amiga Inc making similar noises towards amiga.org, and they've
also done worse things not-related to attacking
community sites, the red trolls still supported them
unconditionally, and still do even today. Double
standards? Or does it just show who the fanatics are?
Legal threats? : Comment 280 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 06-Apr-2004 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 275 (MorphOS-Pegasos-User):
Then what is the point of Genesi?
Legal threats? : Comment 281 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Shut up on 06-Apr-2004 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 275 (MorphOS-Pegasos-User):
Listen here you morph-lovin user. My does the truth hurt. Now why don't you take your "wantabe" os and your "wantabe" hardware home and don't come back until you can play nicely with the other kids.

The facts are this. ANN has been threatened to be shut down. Christian let us know what happened. 9 out of 10 people on this message board are supportive of him. The other 1 persons are unhappy because the community speaking their mind about bbrv and the outcome is "they suck!!!"
Legal threats? : Comment 282 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 06-Apr-2004 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 279 (smithy):
Gotta remember back then a lot of people were still smarting over the unrepaired Phase5 PPC cards / DCE issue then, and hence didn't trust bPlan because of that.

It isn't as if new Amiga-like operating systems scare people. I never saw anything against the PiosOne or whatever it was that was AmigaLike. Shame that never came to be.
Legal threats? : Comment 283 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Apr-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 279 (smithy):
Not at all they may have wanted Wayne not to have the domain, as the is associated with the brandname. That's not hard to imagine as the website at a time was more a Bill Buck propaganda site than an Amiga(TM) site.
Legal threats? : Comment 284 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Bobson on 06-Apr-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 279 (smithy):
Did I mention the MOS fanatics - nope I referred to them as bitter ppl for that is what they are.

Mos and peg could have been its own thing - its own community.
Legal threats? : Comment 285 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Gareth Knight):
>>>I had noticed the disclaimer that appeared at the bottom of the main page - "All comments and news items are the responsibility of their respective posters." Ann.lu is on shaky ground and there are legal precedents where the site is held responsible for individual comments. If Ann.lu is to survive it must minimise the legal risl by following the Slashdot model, i.e. ensure all copyright and responsibility for individual posts resides with the author and notice is provided that it is not the responsibility of the site.

I doubt there is anyone who would want ann.lu to close. If the legal threats refer to Christian's relationship with ann.lu it may be wise to consider taking a back-seat on moderation or step down altogether.<<<<

The problem as I see it was in his employment contract. You should know how these people are by now, twisting and turning words!

Christian: I you need help in any way, just say so. I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure you will find others, just as willing to help. Im sure, there are many good people to help.
Legal threats? : Comment 286 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Pegasos-MorphOS-User on 06-Apr-2004 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 281 (Shut up):
It is easy to use propaganda for its side, isn't it?
The Germans did it, the Americans DOES it and many of the people
believe in what they say, especially in USA. So what is the
difference? It isn't hard to make something look from a point of view,
which makes everything looks brighter for oneself, is it?
Legal threats? : Comment 287 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
>>>>Anyway looks like BB has finally given up on the Amiga market altogether and is now trying to alienate it totally. Nice way to make sales and improve business relationships.

I can find no words low or insulting enough to throw in BB's direction<<<<

No, Buck is in damage control mode right now. This is deflection right now, away from the real problem he has, the court papers this week, and Hare's public comments.
Legal threats? : Comment 288 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by William F. Maddock on 06-Apr-2004 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (kalmar):
"weak-minded"?

I think the weak-minded are those who believe whatever BBRV has to say in-spite of the mounting evidence to the contrary. What he is has been very clear for a very long time now. There are people who tried to alert us years ago, but even though the evidence mounted to back up their claims, so few people listened to them, or even paid them respect at the time.

How much more evidence do you need? The evidence is already out there and has been for years. Open your eyes.
Legal threats? : Comment 289 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 06-Apr-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 288 (William F. Maddock):
No offence Billsey, but I don't think you have an unbiased understanding of bbrv's character. You did say that he/she/they were stalking you at one point, didn't you?
Legal threats? : Comment 290 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Amon_Re):
>>>I was actually thinking "community counter suit"
If we all chip in enough dough we should be able to take them down...

Cheers<<<<<


Buy shares of his Pretory USA stock and then take a class action suit for full disclosure of all the information.
Legal threats? : Comment 291 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hickman on 06-Apr-2004 16:31 GMT
My post is only a word of encouragement to Christian. This relaxed vendetta against anything amigaish is plain pissy. I hope those involved have a damn good reason for proginating this pending legal dissertation. Is this profile of facts nothing more than a falling man's struggle for last breath? Or could it be a harsh lesson of truth behind this famed web site? Whatever happens Christian, let it be known that you have my full support.

"I read the news today, oh boy." -- John Lennon

- Bill
Legal threats? : Comment 292 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 06-Apr-2004 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Skyraker):
>>>I told half of you what this nutcase was like years ago but you didn't listen.<<<<<

No kidding, I've been posting on Moo about his compaines for over six months.

Buck tried to buy me, make fun of me, harass me, and even tried to take away my rights to free speach!

I am still here!
Legal threats? : Comment 293 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 06-Apr-2004 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 270 (Johan Rönnblom):
@Johan

> Anyway you both seem to agree with me that it would be better if
> Christian posted more info, preferrably the whole "threat"

Only if he does not expose himself to further legal threats by doing so. Most communications of this nature often carry a confidentiality clause preventing the receiver from publishing that content verbatim.

Christian gave quotes from the threat but did not mention names. Accoding to Fabio this is wrong.

Had Christian mentioned names but not quoted directly from the threat, Fabio would have claimed he was making it up.

If Christian had published everything verbatim, Fabio would have criticised him for divulging confidential material.

Damned if you do...


Personally, I am ready to accept that some things have to be taken on trust in situations like this, and I have no evidence to make me doubt Christian's word. I do have plenty of evidence that tells me this action would be very much in BBRV's character.

So, unless I see an actual denial from the other side of this dispute, I choose to take Christian's word at face value.
Legal threats? : Comment 294 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Apr-2004 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 269 (Kronos):
"Must have been another planet, but I do know for sure that certain people were allready
throwing all sorts of shit against MOS when I rejoined the community in Mid 2001, a
time when BB was only considered a figure of the past."

Yes, you can't blame it all on BBRV. This is a long-standing bicker. Several people have wanted to be king of the Amiga dunghill.

However, BBRV have made things worse, I think. With help from Amiga Inc.
Legal threats? : Comment 295 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Apr-2004 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 275 (MorphOS-Pegasos-User):
"2. MorphOS IS NOT genesi, neither Pegasos is!
MorphOS is made by the MorphOS-Developer and they are INDEPENDENT from
genesi, exactly like bplan is NOT genesi.bplan is INDEPENDENT, just
like MorphOS is. I think this is very clear."

No, it's not clear at all. Do you have any links to evidence for this statement?
Legal threats? : Comment 296 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 06-Apr-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (Bernie Meyer):
Posted by Bernie Meyer (Trusted user) on 06-Apr-2004 15:16:49

In Reply to Comment 232 (Graham_nli):
Let's for a moment assume that that is indeed what this is about....
Nobody could possibly argue that Christian has any extraordinary qualifications to judge the authenticity of that mail (be it fake or not, who know? Who cares?). And the mail was presented as coming from Fleecy in an official submission to a US district court, by Genesi themselves. No appeal to somebody else's authority ("This mail, which was accepted as coming from Fleecy by Amiga luminaire Christian Kemp"), but rather, its authorship was stated as fact.
If it is indeed fake, and if that causes problems seeing as it was being presented as real --- then the person who was fooled by it enough to submit it to a court surely cannot argue that being fooled by it enough to not remove it from ann.lu was negligent, or in some other way condemnable.
Which means that that's almost certainly not what this is about.
----------------
I agree. If Christian knew for a certainty where the e-mail came from he would state it. (I am assuming it was an e-mail and not a actual letter).

The reason bill buck hasn't said anything is that they most likely are trying to find where the e-mail originated from.

And bill buck, like him or not, he has weathered enough of the Genesi pro and con flamewars - it just wouldn't make any sense to make a "threat" like what is purported to have been made.

And since there was an issue of late payment of monies to Christian for past advertising - bill buck wouldn't be rubbing salt into Christians "wounds". It just makes no sense.
Legal threats? : Comment 297 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Apr-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Christian Kemp):
I believe that there are laws in the EU that say that if you're not getting paid, *they* have broken the contract, and you are no longer under any obligation to abide by it.
Legal threats? : Comment 298 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Apr-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 265 (Bill Hoggett):
> Fabio is playing games. I suspect his loyalty is probably swayed by the
> donation that was given to AROS as part of BBRV's "charm offensive".

LOL! Bill, you never end amazing me... me loyal fo BBRV?! You've got to be crazy, dude. Because of the donation? I couldn't care less, it's not even *me* who received the board.

I expect your sincere apologies, nothing less, or else your credibility will just go under the drain for what concerns me.
Legal threats? : Comment 299 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Apr-2004 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 265 (Bill Hoggett):
> I don't see Fabio saying that BBRV would be wrong to make the threat.

Then you need to open your eyes, or have them examined by a good doctor.
Legal threats? : Comment 300 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Apr-2004 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 268 (Bill Hoggett):
> Has it crossed your mind that doing so would expose him to further legal
> action?

Making names wouldn't expose him to any legal actions. Get your facts straight.
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