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[News] Amiga Forever 6.0ANN.lu
Posted on 09-Apr-2004 19:57 GMT by Compuquick Media Center53 comments
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This new version of the very popular Amiga Forever Emulator is now available. In brief it auto boots, does not need Windows to run on. Includes O.S.3.9, many new features, several games etc etc. It is available with us for $59. Please check our website www.compuquick-amigadirect.com Thanks. Randhir Jesrani
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 1 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 09-Apr-2004 19:25 GMT
Has anyone done a review of this new Amiga product?
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 2 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 09-Apr-2004 19:44 GMT
So it boots a minimal linux distrib and run UAE/Unix port ?

Or does it have something to do with Amithlon ?

Regards,
Leo.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 3 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Apr-2004 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Leo):
running Knoppix
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 4 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 09-Apr-2004 23:46 GMT
Randhir,

As is traditional in response to this sort of post : Have you enquired to Christian about the possibility of paying for ads. on his Web site?

Regards,

Gregg
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 5 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 10-Apr-2004 04:41 GMT
Nice! autobooting!

Does it boot right into the emulation, or into a menu? (Or just into knoppix?)
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 6 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Apr-2004 06:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Gregg):
ANN's banner spaces are currently all taken up, so even if somebody wanted to advertise, there's no banner space I could make available. However, that doesn't stop companies who benefitted from ANN (financial or otherwise) to make a small donation to my PayPal account to help make sure it's still around the next time they might need it - unfortunately, few (if any) do that.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 7 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2004 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (T_Bone):
It books straight into Workbench after a couple of graphical screens. Much like Amithlon did.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 8 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 10-Apr-2004 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Neat.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 9 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 10-Apr-2004 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christian Kemp):
Do we think anyone makes money in amiga land?

Also, I'm curious... self booting, sounds very like ... Amithlon ....

AdmV
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 10 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ron van Herk on 10-Apr-2004 09:00 GMT
Hi,

If all goes well, we should have AF6.0 on demo at the Amiga Party in Maarssen next saturday.

Cheers,
Ron
Computer City
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 11 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2004 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (AdmV):
It's really a Live CD (Knoppix) with UAE on top that has been configured to boot straight into UAE. So yes, it's sort of like Amithlon, but with support for all the hardware that the Knoppix live-cd supports (a LOT).

I don't know if you can run x86 native Amiga-stuff on it like in Amithlon though. Anyway, it has more overhead than Amithlon, but also support for more hardware. When I saw it it had great performance on a relatively small machine though.

It looks like a nice product - but the enhancements to the Windows-side of AF are also very nice - if you even have Windows installed (I don't).
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 12 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2004 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (T_Bone):
http://www.amigaforever.com/kxlight/
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 13 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2004 09:54 GMT
Just to clarify, Amiga Forever is a suite of solutions which include fully licensed Amiga emulation and OS, but to refer to it as an "Emulator" is perhaps somewhat diminutive... :-)

Here are some pics, while the new site goes live:

http://www.amigaforever.com/tour/af_desktop.html
http://www.amigaforever.com/tour/af_amigaos_13.html
http://www.amigaforever.com/tour/af_amigaos_3x.html

As of yesterday, April 9th, all online orders are being fulfilled with version 6.0 even from the current (v. 5.3) amigaforever.com site. This new version was a lot of work, the fact that the site is late shows only that this is a huge effort done with passion more than with lots of available resources.

All customers who purchased version 5.3 in March or April already received free downloads to version 6.0, or will be sent free 6.0 CDs. All other customers are being sent upgrade information during the week-end.

6.0 purchase links are already live at:

http://www.amigaforever.com/shop/

Just be patient with the "5.3" information still online... :-)
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 14 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 10-Apr-2004 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Gregg):
I don't know if they have inquired about putting an ad up, but *I* have. There's no more space left for ads, as Vesalia, KDH and Hyperion has bought long term running ads.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 15 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 10-Apr-2004 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christian Kemp):
Posted by Christian Kemp (Trusted user) on 10-Apr-2004 08:02:10

In Reply to Comment 4 (Gregg):
ANN's banner spaces are currently all taken up, so even if somebody wanted to advertise, there's no banner space I could make available. However, that doesn't stop companies who benefitted from ANN (financial or otherwise) to make a small donation to my PayPal account to help make sure it's still around the next time they might need it - unfortunately, few (if any) do that.
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I find it hard to believe that all the users on ANN can't even donate a piddling $5 - let alone a $20 or $25.

I offered to match up to $50 in donations and 10 users couldn't come across - therefore I find it VERY amusing on people who talk about supporting Amiga, the companies that write software and such and how much they will spend when a $5 donation seems out of their reach.

Give me 2 hours in a bar and I'll piss away (literally) $5 worth of brewski's.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 16 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Moke Biuma on 10-Apr-2004 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Rich Woods):
> Give me 2 hours in a bar and I'll piss away (literally) $5 worth of brewski's.

Give me five paragraphs of hot air plus gratuitous use of the word "Amiga" and I'll wet myself for free.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 17 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 10-Apr-2004 16:10 GMT
Maybe a Knoppix distro could be made for A1 (if useful)...
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 18 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Elwood):
> Maybe a Knoppix distro could be made for A1 (if useful)...

A1 is useful ?
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 19 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 10-Apr-2004 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Rich Woods):
That's like one lousy beer in a bar around here :|
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 20 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2004 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Aye. Unlike you.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 21 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 11-Apr-2004 00:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
As you probably will use XWindow drivers the user will probably have acceleration in more gfx cards. But I doubt that it reaches the speed of Amithlon without getting rid of the custom chip emulation
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 22 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 11-Apr-2004 01:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Crumb // AAT):
Please, people, *forget* about accellerated graphics in UAE.Yes, UAe for Windows use DirectX. UAE for linux uses X. But all versions of UAE use what you might call a "shadow framebuffer" --- a chunk of main memory that, as far as the emulaion is concerned, *is* the graphics card. There are good reasons for doing this, too.However, it means that *any* graphics operation has to be done in main memory. Accellerated graphics card drivers don't know how to handle main memory; The chips on the graphics cards can't access main memory. So the chips on the graphics cards won't help with maintaining the UAE "graphics card". That has to be done purely by the CPU --- and even if implemented as x86 native code (as is the case in UAE), that's much much much slower than leaving it to the dedicated hardware.The other issue is how to keep the shadow frame buffer and the real frame buffer in sync. The simple method (which is employed throughout UAE) is to keep a "dirty list" (in UAE's case in units of scanline segments), and periodically update the dirty regions. This can be rather inefficient, so for certain operations (like bit blits), the x86 code does its thing in main memory and then tells the graphics card to do the equivalent thing in its own memory, using its own chip.What really makes me dislike UAE's scheme is that writing to video memory by the simulated 68k needs to update the dirty list --- which means that each and every 68k memory access to video memory needs to call a C function. Ugh! One can use the MMU to avoid that (use the MMU to detect and mark "dirty" pages), but there are major drawbacks with that, too. What you'd really want is a version of UAE that can use XF86 (or now X.org) *drivers*, without using (and thus being limited by the API of) an X server --- and, like Amithlon, maps the real video memory into the emulation space.Of course, then you'd face the problem of how to handle custom chip modes --- but assuming modern gfx cards, one could probably set aside some gfx card memory for displaying them when needed.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 23 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 11-Apr-2004 04:48 GMT
Anyone have this running on a laptop?

I see no reasn why not - from the web site.

I really would like to use YAM for my e-mail - never used outlook Express due to virus and other problems.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 24 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Apr-2004 05:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Bernie Meyer):
"However, it means that *any* graphics operation has to be done in main memory. Accellerated graphics card drivers don't know how to handle main memory; The chips on the graphics cards can't access main memory. So the chips on the graphics cards won't help with maintaining the UAE "graphics card". That has to be done purely by the CPU --- and even if implemented as x86 native code (as is the case in UAE), that's much much much slower than leaving it to the dedicated hardware."

Is it slower than a Zorro based graphics card such as a Picasso 2 ?
Is it slower than AGA ?
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 25 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 11-Apr-2004 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Bernie Meyer):
Hnhh... I want to wonder if some sort of 'xuae' extension would reinvent less wheel, but... I don't know enough.

What if there were a RTG driver that acted as an X client? Sick and slow, but 1. can't say it's not getting accellerated, and 2. useful on 'real' Amigas as well. (Mental image of A500 under a desk, PPP/SLIP/PLIP, rendering a truecolor WB sloooowly to the generic x86 above.) Of course, then we get into "everyone hates X and just uses VNC these days," and we're back to square 1 minus any optimization.

---

"The chips on the graphics cards can't access main memory." Well, AGP texturing, but that hasn't conventionally bought anything (in terms of graphics performance, possibly even in terms of cycles), right?
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 26 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2004 07:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Rich Woods):
Rich:

I saw it running on an IBM laptop at AmiGBG. Worked like a champ. Didn't get a chance to test networking and the like though.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 27 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 11-Apr-2004 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Bernie Meyer):
> What you'd really want is a version of UAE that can use XF86 (or now X.org)
> *drivers*, without using (and thus being limited by the API of) an X server

The thing with those XFree86 drivers is that AFAIK they are not really
self containted, because they can and do reference functions and stuff
(like generic vga routines) from the X server itself. During loading those
references in the driver .o file (~jsr _some_c_function_in_xerver) are
resolved by the x server. If that's not done they are not usable. I think.

But I wonder what would happen if you hacked together some "UAE" XFree86 module,
containing whole UAE, tell XFree86 to load it through XF86Config file, where the
module would basically hijack/takeover the whole server by not returning from the
module init function and simply start running UAE whose gfx/mouse/kbd drivers would
simply use/reference all those corresponding functions in the X server + loaded X gfx
driver.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 28 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 11-Apr-2004 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Georg Steger):
But I wonder what would happen if you hacked together some "UAE" XFree86 module, containing whole UAE, tell XFree86 to load it through XF86Config file, where the module would basically hijack/takeover the whole server by not returning from the module init function and simply start running UAE whose gfx/mouse/kbd drivers would simply use/reference all those corresponding functions in the X server + loaded X gfx driver.

Now there's a sick thought, but does it buy anything? Since UAE 'has to' emulate the chipset, it 'has to' abstract to scanlines unless you start special-casing everything? [Surely worth it to some to special-case it, but you're still not going to be able to drop in a Toaster... on the other hand, that could sort of amount to reworking Kickstart, right?]... But if you give up on chipset emulation and go Amithlonic, you can do other stuff, and that's where I'm losing track.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 29 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 11-Apr-2004 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Don Cox):
It's probably faster than a Z2 based graphics card, simply because those had lousy gfx chips even for their time, let alone for now.However, try doing a fullscreen scroll of a 1024x768 (or 1280x960) 32bpp picasso screen under UAE (which is the minimum you'd really want to use with a decent monitor and a halfway modern gfx card), and you'll almost certainly find that you can't do it 50 times a second. However, the gfx card itself would be perfectly capable of that...
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 30 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 11-Apr-2004 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Georg Steger):
Don't give me ideas :)(And yeah, I was aware of the lack of self-containedness. I *did* look into that stuff for Amithlon, but alas, it looked like a perfect way to spend lots of time and never get anywhere :)
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 31 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 11-Apr-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
The main problem with a direct-mapped gfx card at the same time as chipset emulation is that the emulated chipset needs to be displayed somewhere --- and Picasso96 doesn't expect the gfx memory, or the gfx card's configuration, to suddenly change.However, the memory aspect *should* be handle-able by simply setting aside 4M or so of the gfx card's memory (they come with 32meg minimum these days). Making sure that changing screenmode doesn't have nasty side effects (like confusing blit operations on what P96 thinks is the current screen) might be tough, though.When "going Amithlon" (i.e. simply dropping the custom gfx emulation), you still need some layer that knows how to make a gfx card do something. In Amithlon, that's the linux kernel framebuffer drivers; They are good in that they are reasonably small (i.e. easy to understand, don't add complexity, don't get in the way). They are bad in that they don't support all that much hardware, and were never written with accelleration for user processes in mind. The second one could be hacked, but the first is a bummer.XF86, on the other hand, supports lots of hardware, and provides quite good accelleration features. Unfortunately, there isn't a nice, low-level API that would let you get as close to the actual hardware as you'd like for something Amithlon-like. X, unfortunately, is a beautiful monster --- and no matter the beauty, it's still a monster.The XF86 drivers actually have the kind of API you'd be looking for, but *they* need a whole lot more of the functionality the rest of XF86 provides to function.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 32 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 11-Apr-2004 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Bernie Meyer):
Bernie, not needling you, but : Have you been, or do you plan to get, in touch with KMOS to see if the Amithlon/Umilator mess can be sorted out?

Apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere.

Gregg
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 33 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 11-Apr-2004 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Gregg):
Posted by Gregg (24.62.51.179) on 11-Apr-2004 20:18:49

In Reply to Comment 31 (Bernie Meyer):
Bernie, not needling you, but : Have you been, or do you plan to get, in touch with KMOS to see if the Amithlon/Umilator mess can be sorted out?

Apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere.

Gregg
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Why should Bernie have to chase after KMOS to straighten ANYTHING out? If KMOS still has the contractual obligation acquired from Amiga they should seek Bernie out.

After all it is going on 1 year now correct?

Should be a piece of cake for the illustrious KMOS with all the press release hype they put out.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 34 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 11-Apr-2004 23:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Gregg):
Yes, I have been in contact with them. And it has been requested that I keep the actual content of communications to myself.However, please understand that it has been almost two years since things were meant to go live. Two years is an *enormous* amount of time in the PC world. Just releasing what was ready to go back then makes no sense today; It wouldn't work all that good on a lot of newer hardware.To do things properly (and doing them any other way is absolutely no fun) would mean taking a virgin 2.6.4 kernel and making all the necessary changes to make it into a foundation for Umilator. Also, while two years ago, requiring PS/2 input devices was justifiable, ignoring USB today just won't do.... The same goes for mass-storage --- USB memory sticks are so common and so convenient that you'd really shouldn't release any "take your Amiga anywhere" products without support booting from and reading/writing to them (Now, Michele, we are even :) While doing this would be easy through linux's USB stack, it would break ArakAttack/Poseidon (which, unlike other emulation-related efforts, on Amithlon allows using the de-facto Amiga standard USB stack :).All in all, it would be a *lot* of work to get things to a point where they are releasable in 2004 --- and unlike in 2002, I have a paid fulltime job (where the managers make stupid promises to the customers, and I am the one who has to at least come close to keeping them), and have moved in with my girlfriend. So time is rather at a premium....
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 35 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by surfedonin on 12-Apr-2004 12:58 GMT
HUH?

"This new version of the very popular Amiga Forever Emulator is now available. In brief it auto boots, does not need Windows to run on. "

Sorry, but I don't quite get that.
AF 6.0 includes WinUAE 0.8.xx, and I bet that this emulator does need Windows to run! ;-)
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 36 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2004 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Rich Woods):
"Should be a piece of cake for the illustrious KMOS with all the press release hype they put out."

Hmmm.. one Press release & one interview dont sound like alot to me.
But i can understand if it seems alot for your mind to handle.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 37 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Apr-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (surfedonin):
WinUAE still needs Windows. Linux UAE still needs Linux.

What they're talking about is the CD version only, which boots into a "live" Linux distro based on a cut-down Knoppix. Cloanto call this KX Light, and this starts Linux UAE on startup, so you can run UAE directly from CD.

It's a nice touch and somewhat overdue. Whether the entire package is worth the rather steep upgrade fee is another matter.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 38 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 12-Apr-2004 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Bernie Meyer):
Yes, I have been in contact with them. And it has been requested that I keep the actual content of communications to myself.

Understandable, if a little frustrating from our perspective; are you able to tell us if there is at least a credible possibility of progress, notwithstanding the obstacles you list below (with which I am entirely sympathetic)?

Thanks for the reply,

Gregg
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 39 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 12-Apr-2004 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Posted by Anonymous (195.215.236.194) on 11-Apr-2004 09:11:09

In Reply to Comment 23 (Rich Woods):
Rich:

I saw it running on an IBM laptop at AmiGBG. Worked like a champ. Didn't get a chance to test networking and the like though.
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Thanks - I ordered it - being shipped today (Software Hut). Heck it's ONLY $60
I bet all those who sent Amiga $50 wish they had their $50 back.

At least with Amiga Forever licensee's are getting some form of income. And for that I am happy.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 40 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 12-Apr-2004 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Posted by Anonymous (213.229.14.104) on 12-Apr-2004 15:15:15

In Reply to Comment 33 (Rich Woods):
"Should be a piece of cake for the illustrious KMOS with all the press release hype they put out."

Hmmm.. one Press release & one interview dont sound like alot to me.
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I guess you didn't read the VERY long interview with Hare.
I guess you didn't read into the hype of what KMOS is/was and what it intends to do.




But i can understand if it seems alot for your mind to handle.

Et tu!
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 41 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 12-Apr-2004 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Bill Hoggett):
 Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 37 of 38

Posted by Bill Hoggett (80.43.156.3) on 12-Apr-2004 16:56:06

In Reply to Comment 35 (surfedonin):

It's a nice touch and somewhat overdue. Whether the entire package is worth the rather steep upgrade fee is another matter.
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Steep? $40? If $40 is steep what is the $50 Amiga got in the coupon scam(s).
More steep?
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 42 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Apr-2004 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Rich Woods):
Comparing what is in the last Amiga Forever to what is in this one, $40 does seem steep as an upgrade price, although I suppose that might be a subjective opinion.

I don't think comparing the price to totally unrelated promotions elsewhere is helpful to anyone considering purchasing Amiga Forever 6.0. The cynical side of me might even think it's a lame attempt at starting another flamefest.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 43 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 12-Apr-2004 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Bill Hoggett):
"Comparing what is in the last Amiga Forever to what is in this one, $40 does seem steep as an upgrade price, although I suppose that might be a subjective opinion."

It probably seems rather low to the author, after two years of hard work.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 44 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2004 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Rich Woods):
"I guess you didn't read the VERY long interview with Hare.
I guess you didn't read into the hype of what KMOS is/was and what it intends to do."

I did, but it seems you need to understand english a bit more as the length was not at issuse but the amount of press release was with your comments.

My reply was clear, one press release & interview from KMOS is noting in comparison to what Amiga.inc & Genesi have put out.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 45 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Apr-2004 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Don Cox):
@Don

"two years of hard work"

Are you seriously suggesting that someone spent the last two years developing this upgrade? What is he, an AmigaDE developer?

Look, most of the upgraded stuff is done by the WinUAE and UAE developers, people like Richard Drummond, Toni Wilen (or whoever does most of the WinUAE stuff these days) etc. I don't doubt that some work has gone into upgrading Amiga Explorer and configuring Knoppix to run under minimal software and start up UAE, but "two years of hard work"? Give me a break.

Considering that "upgrade" assumes you have Amiga Forever 5.x, and that the actual emulator itself is freely upgradeable as it is available for free under the GPL, you have to ask what exactly one is getting for those $40 to justify the upgrade? An upgraded Amiga Explorer (not quite sure what this means), a Knoppix based "live" UAE distro and some extra unnamed Amiga applications, which many users will have already? That seems steep to me. $25 would be reasonable for the CD upgrade, but $40 seems steep.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 46 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2004 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Rich Woods):
>Give me 2 hours in a bar and I'll piss away (literally) $5 worth of
>brewski's.


Stop trolling or disappear from circulation and I'll give ANN $100.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 47 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 13-Apr-2004 04:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Bill Hoggett):
You also get OS3.9 instead of OS3.1.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 48 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 13-Apr-2004 04:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (DaveP):
@DaveP

> You also get OS3.9 instead of OS3.1.

Fair point, though one could argue that falls under "Amiga applications, which many users will have already". Considering what is included, and the age of the commercial software in the package, I still think about $25 would make a more reasonable upgrade price.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 49 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by surfedonin on 14-Apr-2004 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Bill Hoggett):
Thanks for the clarification, Bill!

Well this really sounds delicious then ... 'booting into Linux UAE'. :-)

Wonder which version is used for this CD, though. I bet it's still version 0.8.21 (Linux), although Richard Drummond's UAE is light years better than the "old" version.
Amiga Forever 6.0 : Comment 50 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-Apr-2004 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (surfedonin):
I am told it's Richard Drummond's version.
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