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[News] AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes goldANN.lu
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Leuven, Belgium - April 16, 2004. Hyperion Entertainment and the Amiga OS 4.0 development team are extremely pleased and relieved to announce that after nearly 30 months of painstaking development the Amiga OS 4.0 Developer Pre-release has gone gold and will be sent to the duplication plant on Monday, April 19, 2004.

Full details on Amigaworld.net

AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 101 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Fabio Alemagna):
Ok, never mind, just read your other reply :-)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 102 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Fabio Alemagna):
> But YES, I do agree that it's not nice of one to take that path instead of
> releasing the sources together with the binaries, specially if there's no
> apparent reason to do so.

Why is it "not nice"? Most people will not be interested in the source code but only in the binaries, and those that are interested can get the source simply by asking.

The SDK already has 200+ MB when installed.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 103 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (qwerty):
> How finished is the product? Does it include ie. tcp/ip stack?

Yes, it includes a TCP/IP stack.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 104 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Johan Rönnblom):
Well, I shouldn't really respond to this since I don't know. However, if the JIT, for example, isn't fully implemented yet, one could successfully argue that it's a part of optimizing an already implemented functionality (ie 68k emulation) rather than implementing a new functionality.

As for USB support and WarpUP support, I believe it has been implemented. Though, I guess someone will correct me if I'm wrong, which really isn't an impossibility. :-P
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 105 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> Why is it "not nice"?

Because it's not the usual habit, and because it feels like one wants to keep the sources hidden as much as possible, posing an artificial barrier for getting them.

> Most people will not be interested in the source code but
> only in the binaries, and those that are interested can get the source simply
> by asking.

Sure, but if there was enough space on the CD (200MB doesn't seem like a full CD), then why not put the sources there, even if most are not interested in them?

Anyway, obviously we'll never come in agreement about this issue, so let's just agree to disagree.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 106 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Anyway, obviously we'll never come in agreement about this issue, so let's
>just agree to disagree.

You just close to killed me through a serious heart attack by writing that sentence, Fabio. ;-)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 107 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Fabio Alemagna):
Oops, wish ANN had an "edit" option...
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 108 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Sammy Nordström):
Yeah, see, I can do things you'll never do! :-D
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 109 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Fabio Alemagna):
> May we know why you decided to take that approach, rather than putting the
> souce code on the CD, or even putting it up on the web somewhere, as 99% of
> the commercial entities using GPL'd code do?

As I said in a later posting, most people will not be interested in the source code at all. Those few that are can get it, no problem.

I think the source code will probably be available on our new web site, which is going to open soon.

I find it quite hillarious that without the CD even being out we are already accused of IP theft (I'm not saying that you said anything like that, Fabio).
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 110 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Yeah, see, I can do things you'll never do! :-D

Oh yeah? Well, I can *see* things you'll never do! :-P
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 111 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 17-Apr-2004 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Hans-Jörg: No one accused you of IP theft. Read again.

Someone accused someone of accusing you for IP theft, but that's a
different story.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 112 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 17-Apr-2004 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Question how is gdb integrated, will you need to expose ExecSG to completely, or is it just the patch for gdb?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 113 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Johan Rönnblom):
>Someone accused someone of accusing you for IP theft, but that's a
>different story.

He obviously interpreted the situation in the same way as that first someone did, ie that the other someone accused them of IP theft. Regardless if this is what the other someone intended, that's obviously how he/she came across.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 114 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Apr-2004 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Sammy Nordström):
To quote:

"Rent a brain. The whole GPL idea is to share the code. Not releasing the source code of gcc/gdb qualifies as stealing IP. "
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 115 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 17-Apr-2004 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy: It's not that persons fault if people want to interpret others
maliciously.

In fact, the first mention of "stealing IP" was not directed at
Hyperion, but rather at the MorphOS and/or AROS teams (see comment
66).

The first statement regarding Hyperion in this matter, (69) was:
"Not releasing the source code of gcc/gdb qualifies as stealing IP."

Now, of course what should have been said is that this "qualifies as a
violation of IP." rather than "stealing". But there is simply *no*
accusation towards Hyperion here. It merely states that they *have* to
release the sources for gcc/gdb, which is true and obviously necessary
to point out given comment 66.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 116 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Sammy Nordström):
> Regardless if this is what the other someone intended, that's obviously how
> he/she came across.

He didn't come across like that in his 1st post, but then he himself said that it would be equivalent to IP theft, later on in the thread.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 117 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 17-Apr-2004 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Rich):
Competition coming into view?

I think an upcoming announcement from Genesi will suprise a lot of people.


Are you affiliated with Genesi now? I always thought your investigations were independent.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 118 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Johan Rönnblom):
>Sammy: It's not that persons fault if people want to interpret others
>maliciously.

I see no reason for why anyone would be interpreting this person "maliciously". The statement in question is obviously ambiguous and can easily be interpreted in one way or the other. A misinterpretation doesn't neccessarily have to be intentional, just like an ambigious statement doesn't neccessarily have to be intentional.

I'm sorry but I think you're over-analysing the whole thing and seeing things that simply isn't there. It's probably just a misunderstanding, that's all.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 119 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Because it's not the usual habit, and because it feels like one wants
> to keep the sources hidden as much as possible, posing an artificial
> barrier for getting them.

I'm sorry, but that is suggesting ill-will. Nothing like that is the case. As I outlined in another posting, the GDB source code will currently not compile at all due to changes in the header files. It would need to be cleaned up for release, and that is something that we didn't feel like doing right now.

There is no "artificial barrier". As I said, the CD isn't even out there, and our new web site isn't online yet.

> Sure, but if there was enough space on the CD (200MB doesn't seem like a full
> CD), then why not put the sources there, even if most are not interested in
> them?

The SDK installs to 200 MB on disk, not on the CD. On the CD the SDK is about 55 MB of archives. However, there is much more on the CD than just the SDK, there's AmigaOS 4.0 for starters and a few contributed software packages.

Most of all, however, as I was trying to say earlier, we didn't feel like cleaning up the source code and bringing it into a distributable form right now. Getting this CD to our customers was our prime concern. We have honoured the GPL in the past, and will continue to do so.

You might call this an "artificial barrier" if you want. I call it "prioritizing".

I already said, too, that the gdb would probably not port very well to another OS, since it depends on mechanics built into the kernel for the specific purpose of making GDB integration more "un-hackish".

Concerning GCC, the AmigaOS changes to the 3.4.0 compiler will become part of the baseline GCC distribution.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 120 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Apr-2004 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Fabio Alemagna):
"Sure, but if there was enough space on the CD (200MB doesn't seem like a full CD)"

That isn't how much is on the CD, it's what the SDK archive expends to. The point being that not everyone wants acres of source code on their hard drives.

I think H-J gave the real reason when he said some of the code is in a state of flux. Nobody wants to give out untidy source code.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 121 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Kjetil):
> Question how is gdb integrated, will you need to expose ExecSG to completely,
> or is it just the patch for gdb?

There are a few callback hooks in the kernel where gdb can hook into. For example, a breakpoint exception will call a function pointer that normally is NULL but that gdb can override for its purpose.

No part of gdb is part of the kernel.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 122 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Apr-2004 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Sammy Nordström):
"Oh yeah? Well, I can *see* things you'll never do! :-P"

Fjords ?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 123 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> Most of all, however, as I was trying to say earlier, we didn't feel like
> cleaning up the source code and bringing it into a distributable form right
> now.

If the source code doesn't compile, then you're not exactly complying with the GPL, even if you give that source code to whoever has right to it: if it doesn't compile, it can't be the source code that lead to tbe binary the user is in possession of, as obviously the binary is compiled.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 124 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Don Cox):
> I think H-J gave the real reason when he said some of the code is in a state of
> flux. Nobody wants to give out untidy source code.

But they'll have to, if someone asks for them and has right to them, and they have to be in a working state, or else there's license breakage.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 125 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Don Cox):
Nah, not where I live. Maybe an elk or two, but no fjords. :-P
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 126 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Fabio Alemagna):
He didn't say that it wouldn't compile, just that it wasn't "tidy". Furthermore, neither did he say that they would deny anyone asking for the sources, on the contrary.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 127 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 17-Apr-2004 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Fabio Alemagna):
Only somebody who has the actual binary can ask for the source-code.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 128 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Sammy Nordström):
> He didn't say that it wouldn't compile, just that it wasn't "tidy".

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1082146175&category=news&start=101#message119

"As I outlined in another posting, the GDB source code will currently not compile at all due to changes in the header files."

> Furthermore, neither did he say that they would deny anyone asking for the
> sources, on the contrary.

Neither did I say they would, did I?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 129 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> Only somebody who has the actual binary can ask for the source-code.

Not very correct: a written offer for the sources is enough. Anyway, don't get what's your point.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 130 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Sammy Nordström):
> Oh yeah? Well, I can *see* things you'll never do! :-P

Like?

/me is genuinely curious
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 131 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Fabio Alemagna):
Elks? ;-)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 132 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Apr-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Fabio Alemagna):
But he didn't say the sources to GDB had changed, but the changes to OS includes. Therefore if he supplied the GDB sources, he would be supplying the exact source which built the binary as per the GPL; but it wouldn't build with the current SDK.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 133 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> I already said, too, that the gdb would probably not port very well to another
> OS, since it depends on mechanics built into the kernel for the specific
> purpose of making GDB integration more "un-hackish".

Well, one could implement those mechanics in his own kernel as well, for instance. After all, one has to implement some such mechanics anyway, be them the ones defined by the POSIX standard (ptrace, whose usage gdb defaults to), or some custom ones.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 134 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Sammy Nordström):
Who says I never saw or will never see one? :-)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 135 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Peter Gordon):
Ok, fair enough, it's been a misunderstanding on my part.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 136 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fredrik on 17-Apr-2004 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Fabio Alemagna):
"Who says I never saw or will never see one? :-)"
-------------------------------------------------


Are you going to visit Sammy? :-)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 137 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Fredrik):
Ouch, are you saying Sammy is an elk? :-o
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 138 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Only somebody who has the actual binary can ask for the source-code.

For some reason fsf.org's GPL FAQ disagrees with you. http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhatDoesWrittenOfferValid
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 139 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 17-Apr-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> Apart from that, the code is somewhat in a state of flux. GDB does not> compile at the moment due to changes in the headers.See, Hans-Joerg, *there* is an excellent reason to provide the sources on the same medium as the binaries.You *are* aware that, on request, you must now produce the *exact* sources that were used to build the binaries? And the *exact* support files needed to do so? And that you must honour such requests for at least three years?I appreciate and admire the work you guys at Hyperion have been doing; However, the way you have handled the GPL really rubs me the wrong way.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 140 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 17-Apr-2004 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Don Cox):
>Nobody wants to give out untidy source code.Anybody who wants to give out binaries compiled from "untidy source code" under the GPL *must* be willing to give out that code.If someone gives you a GPL'ed binary, you have a right to get the exact source that binary was compiled from. Simple as that.Which is one of the major reasons that with every GPL'ed binary I make available, I make sure the source is (a) available, and (b) archived right after building the binary (Actually, what I tend to do is create the source package, then install it on a machine other than the development machine, and compile the binary package from it --- ensures compilability and a match between source and binary). Of course, it also allows me to stop distributing both --- Hyperion right now has about a year to go on their obligation to provide Quake2 source code on request..... Guess who plans to make that request 2 years and 11 months after the last confirmed shipment of a Hyperion Q2 CD.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 141 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 17-Apr-2004 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Of course, seeing as anyone who has the binary can pass it on to anyone else, and under section 3(c) of the GPL can put the onus of providing the sources on you, without informing you of having done so....
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 142 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 17-Apr-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Bernie Meyer):
Oh, there is no need to convince us that the GPL has been used as a harassment tool against Hyperion by certain parties.

Legally we are under no obligation whatsoever to distribute source-code of binaries not even in the hands of users yet or to anyone NOT in possession of the binaries.

This position was verified with the FSF.

For the record, several genuinely interested parties have requested and obtained the source-code of Quake 2.

I should also point out that Hyperion uses a CVS for development and that we can at any time reproduce the source-code of a particular version from the CVS.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 143 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 17-Apr-2004 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Peter Gordon):
" For an executable work, complete sourcecode means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus anyassociated interface definition files, plus the scripts used tocontrol compilation and installation of the executable."The only exception made is for code "that is normally distributed [...] with the major components [...] of the operating system on which the executable runs".I guess it'd be hard to argue, given that gdb was apparently compiled with different header files than the ones found on the prerelease CD, that this exception applies to the header files gdb was compiled with.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 144 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 17-Apr-2004 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
OK, Ben, let's make it simple. Imagine, for a moment, that I bought an A1 Earlybird when they first came out for Xmas 2002, and that thus you would soon be sending me a CD with what has been described as a not-completely-bugfree version of gcc 3.4.What exact steps would I have to go through to be able to recompile that version of gcc 3.4 myself, and get the exact same executable shipped to me --- which is a prerequisite for helping to debug it, and thus for contributing back to this GPL'ed product?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 145 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by oGALAXYo on 17-Apr-2004 15:26 GMT
I must admit that I hate it when people need to bring up judges only to get sources which are put under GNU/GPL. But ok I am not weighting things yet as one of the Friedens said - 'Wait until it's released we will make it public'.

We should all shame ourselves for acting like we having some secrets we don't give away. We should try to work together here for your benefits, for our benefits, for the benefits of our future and the benefits of the users.

We should also learn to work with the mainstream development tree of either GCC or GDB and whatelse because these are the good manners of co-operation and the philosophy of open source and free software. You need to think about this, we use the code that others have written in their spare time. At the end they decided to put it under an open source licensing modell for the same reasons that I have brought up here (share code, help others, make software better and make sure the software will also exist in future).

The way how these terms and rules are being treated (careless, with disrespect and what else) is a shame.

I know that the competition within this niche market is hard and that people try to keep stuff secret until the last second. But for open source people need to re-consider here.

There may be skilled people working on either the Amiga or MorphOS side but they still have a long way to go as soon it comes for co-operation, teamwork and share of other peoples work and respect of other peoples licensing model and code.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 146 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 17-Apr-2004 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Bernie Meyer):
Bernie, Ben.

any chance you could start a new thread for GPL discussion? I can imagine it could be 100s of comments long and really isn't germaine to the news item discussion.

Steve
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 147 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 17-Apr-2004 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Oh, there is no need to convince us that the GPL has been used as a harassment tool against Hyperion >by certain parties.

What is your point here? It was Hyperion's decision to use GPL code. The GPL Nazis are everywhere ;-)

>Legally we are under no obligation whatsoever to distribute source-code of binaries not even in the >hands of users yet or to anyone NOT in possession of the binaries.

No arguement there but in 'two more weeks' when the code is officially distributed then you will be in that position. Whether the sources are useless or not, people have a right to ask and they surely will (not I...I now have no system on which I could run or develop for OS4)

Steve
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 148 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 17-Apr-2004 15:40 GMT
Code which uses other code which falls under the GPL *must* be released to the public. No ifs, no buts, no lawyer bullshit, no provaricating. It has nothing to do with owning binaries. All GPL code is public domain, and so is everything made with it.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 149 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 17-Apr-2004 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (XraalE):
GPL code is *not* public domain. It's GPL code! This means it has some
restrictions vs public domain code. For example, if you distribute
something based on it you must be willing to distribute the sources
for that version. Which is not necessary for code that is public
domain - then you can do *anything* with it.

Anyway, I totally agree that this is a non-issue until next week or
so, no need to blame anyone for not doing something. But of course,
Hyperion should be ready to fulfil their obligations when needed,
rather than saying that people are "harassing" them.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 150 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 17-Apr-2004 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (XraalE):
Then again GPL is not the low, it’s worth nothing.....

Hyperion can do what ever they wont whit gdb and gcc, as long as it’s consistent whit the low, GPL is not a signed contract, it’s the same thing as whit CDRW or anything else, Copy protected cd’s,
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