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[News] AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes goldANN.lu
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Leuven, Belgium - April 16, 2004. Hyperion Entertainment and the Amiga OS 4.0 development team are extremely pleased and relieved to announce that after nearly 30 months of painstaking development the Amiga OS 4.0 Developer Pre-release has gone gold and will be sent to the duplication plant on Monday, April 19, 2004.

Full details on Amigaworld.net

AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 201 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 17-Apr-2004 18:38 GMT
I thought OS4 had been released a long time ago?

In this case someone ows me a beer. Was that you samface?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 202 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 17-Apr-2004 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Thomas Frieden):
How dare you accuse us of not complying with it ?
I didn't. Go back and read what I wrote literally, not what you want your supporters to believe I wrote.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 203 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 17-Apr-2004 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (darklite):
ah, OS4 SDK

but the beer is still mine!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 204 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Squishy on 17-Apr-2004 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Andy Hall):
> But then again I'm still amazed how a subject as mundane as computer platform > choice can cause so much bitterness and hatred.

It's better than religion: "Love thy neighbour, but kill the infidels!"
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 205 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Apr-2004 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Andy Hall):
"But then again I'm still amazed how a subject as mundane as computer platform choice can cause so much bitterness and hatred."

There is a very interesting article about the psychology of choice in the current issue of Scientific American (with a brain cell on the cover). In fact, this is a particularly good issue.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 206 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by U. B. Kuhl on 17-Apr-2004 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Please, Hans-Joerg, Thomas and team...leave here now and go
skiing, fishing, golfing, movie-house, dance-hall, pub,
dude-ranch, etc etc yada yada yada...and

HAVE SOME FUN!!!

Your customers will need you at normal blood-pressure in the coming
weeks, and FUN is very healthy!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 207 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Squishy):
> One more question: will it be possible to rig things so that I can debug
> programs remotely, so that I'm running GDB on my PC and the program getting
> debugged on my AmigaOne? (the two machines would be connected by ethernet)

Currently, no. I would need to look at this, though, since it could be very interesting. GDB supports some minimal stub running on the target machine for remote debugging. Right now this is only supported for serial lines.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 208 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Mark on 17-Apr-2004 19:48 GMT
Hyperion make Amiga Inc look good.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 209 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Apr-2004 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Mark):
bloody trolls.

why don't you join all the other anti amiga trolls posting anonymously on the slashdot thread about this developer pre-release?

Pitiful. Nearly everyone of you.

* waits until monday and buys a 1GHz 12" iBook for £799 *
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 210 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 17-Apr-2004 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Don Cox):
""Oh yeah? Well, I can *see* things you'll never do! :-P"

Fjords ?"

Wrong country, I'm afraid. :-)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 211 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 17-Apr-2004 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 209 (Graham_nli):
Reading quickly some slashdot comments...nice that all 15 years old nerds with multiple issues have found a field to play. Stuff that matters - hell yeah.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 212 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by the old man on 18-Apr-2004 00:25 GMT
I don't understand why some people have such a need to put others in "opposing" camps. If you can't see how wrong it is to criticize people for using another OS, please leave the Amiga universe and write your own damn OS.

We all have the same thing in commun, we like the Amiga. Whether someone uses OS 1.3 on a 1000, WinUAE, XL, AROS, MOS or whatever, on whatever hardware, makes no difference, we all seek to continue enjoying the same look and feel we like so much.

As for whatever goes on at the corporate level, be it Amiga or Genesi, why should we care? It's child play compared to what is constantly being plotted at Microsoft.

The fact is, both companies are merely piggy-backing on the fruits of SOMEONE ELSE's genius, with only one goal in mind, making money.

We all have the choice, you like one OS, then buy it, use it, enjoy it. Leave other people alone.

All the animosity and non-sense is so pittyful that so-called "trolls" should simply be erased/banned by any self-respecting webmaster/moderator.
The stupid comments make all "non-mainstream" OS users look bad.

Let me make this one point once and for all:

Let say that Amiga and Genesi are trees and their hw/sw is a fruit.
If you get mad at someone for eating a banana because you like mangos better, you're crazy.

If you don't agree, please get some psychiatric help immediately, before you hurt somone, trust me you need it.

Enough said.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 213 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 18-Apr-2004 01:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> Sorry if I don't know the <beep> what you are talking about. IF you> are in posession of a written offer for the source code, you can> happily get it from me. I will most definitely bring it into a form> that will compile again. BUT what can I do if the OS headers required> have changed?What you *can't* do is much more important. You *can't* distribute a binary built with the old headers, unless, upon request, you provide not only the source code for gdb, but also the old headers that were used to build it.If, for some reason, you are barred from distributing the older version of the header files (or if there are other parts that would need to be "downgraded" to successfully compile and which you are not allowed to distribute), then all you *can* do is bring it into a form where it will compile *now*, *before* you release a binary.Regarding my "it irks me how you guys treat the GPL" --- read through Ben's comments in this thread, and tell me honestly that you get the impression his attitude is what you'd want from someone using GPL'ed code. Especially that silly "harrassment" comment.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 214 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 18-Apr-2004 01:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> click here> Good enough for you?Nope, sorry Hans-Joerg.Hyperion chose option 3(b) for Quake2 (and, apparently, for the GNU parts on this OS4 prerelease). You(plural) did so for a binary distributed on a CD. Thus, pointing at source code made available for (a) download by (b) someone else is *not* good enough.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 215 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by walkernyranger on 18-Apr-2004 01:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Nate Downes):
I have been in the software business for the last 7 years, and have always heard the term "gone gold" when in regards to the final version of software being ready and printed on a gold master disc, in preperation for production.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 216 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 18-Apr-2004 02:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 213 (Bernie Meyer):
>Especially that silly "harrassment" comment.

It's not silly when you are being bombarded with e-mails from people who have zero intrest in your products and have in fact expressed their utter disdain for your work and yourself but demand you turn over source-code of a binary which hasn't even been released yet, just to annoy you.

If anything's silly, that is.

Hyperion quite honestly does not need lectures on compliance with the GPL as we have always complied with the GPL in full.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 217 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 18-Apr-2004 04:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 216 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
So you get to tell these people "bugger off". Big deal.However, *if*, as a consequence of your decision to choose section 3(b) of the GPL, you experience such "harrassment", it becomes even harder to understand why you do not choose section 3(a) instead --- at which point noone could possibly harrass you.Care to explain? I mean, seriously --- considering that you must *have* the source code, ready to be shipped to anyone who requests it, why in the world would you *not* put it on the CD, thus opening yourself up to all that crap?This reminds me of the whole episode where you cited "piracy issues" regarding the release of a Warp3D software renderer for 68k, yet ignored the very same "piracy issues" for the release of a PPC software renderer. I knew why, you knew why, and yet, you publicly kept spouting this "piracy" nonsense. Now, everybody knows why the sources are not on the CD, and some people, while acknowledging that you are within the letter of the license, feel displeased with what they see as an attempt to circumvent the spirit of it. Everyone could agree on that, except you keep claiming that everything is fine and anyone who suspects there might be ulterior motives you don'y admit to is out to get you....
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 218 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 18-Apr-2004 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Andy Hall):
Competition coming into view?

I think an upcoming announcement from Genesi will suprise a lot of people.

Are you affiliated with Genesi now? I always thought your investigations were independent.

Mr Woods stalks everyone, no exceptions!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 219 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 18-Apr-2004 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 213 (Bernie Meyer):
> What you *can't* do is much more important. You *can't* distribute a binary
> built with the old headers, unless, upon request, you provide not only the
> source code for gdb, but also the old headers that were used to build it.

As a private person doing such a port, the OS headers are beyond my control. Do you mean to tell me that a company can "invalidate" my GPL software by providing different OS headers? You must be kidding.

> read through Ben's comments in this thread, and tell me honestly that you get
> the impression his attitude is what you'd want from someone using GPL'ed code

I didn't read anything in the GPL about creating an impression. You claim that we mistreat the GPL, which is untrue because you can get the source code. It's just not included on the CD. Any other claim by you is pure speculation because as I pointed out the SDK and CD are not yet available. So bottom line is you are making things up.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 220 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 18-Apr-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (Bernie Meyer):
> Hyperion chose option 3(b) for Quake2 (and, apparently, for the GNU parts on
> this OS4 prerelease). You(plural) did so for a binary distributed on a CD.
> Thus, pointing at source code made available for (a) download by (b) someone
> else is *not* good enough.

Point me to a place in the GPL where it says that the choice of 3a or 3b is irrevocable? Please read GPL section 3 b:

b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
customarily used for software interchange;

Where does it say that the "medium customarily used for software interchange" must not change? Or are you indicating that the internet or an FTP servier is not a "medium customarily used for software interchange"? Is there ANY mention on how I must provide the source code, other than "on a medium customarily used for software interchange"? Sorry, but your argument does not really convince me.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 221 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 18-Apr-2004 07:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (Bernie Meyer):
> and, apparently, for the GNU parts on this OS4 prerelease

Overlooked that point...

Says who? I think I mentioned putting the source code on our web site, didn't I? However, the web site is not online yet, so how can you make assumptions like that?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 222 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 18-Apr-2004 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (the old man):
Amen to that. Well said.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 223 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 18-Apr-2004 08:39 GMT
Congratulations to all AmigaOne owners!

Each person having bought A1 hardware in advance sure deserves this!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 224 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 18-Apr-2004 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Fabio Alemagna):
Seriously, Fabio. I said that I see things you don't see because you seemed to suggest that I would never say such a thing as "let's agree to disagree". I've actually done so many times, even in our long-winded discussions. But you obiously haven't noticed, hence why I said that I see things you don't.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 225 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 18-Apr-2004 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Steffen Haeuser):
>As long as nobody (who owns the Binary) requests the source-code nobody is required to release it. He can do it, but he does not need to.

I can't see why some people are so worried about getting GPL source publicly available...

Likely some OS4 owner will request sources to OS4 gcc from Hyperion and upload them to Aminet, that happened with Quake 2 already!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 226 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 18-Apr-2004 09:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (the old man):
I second that and hereby declare that I have nothing against anyone for the sole reason of beeing a certain operating system and/or hardware user. If anyone would ever think of me differently, he/she have obviously misunderstood me and my intentions; criticizing a tree doesn't neccessarily mean that you have something against the ones eating the fruit falling from it.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 227 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 18-Apr-2004 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 217 (Bernie Meyer):
Aren't you find someone else to bother? Why are you attacking those peoples who trying to do something useful and working hard on the Amiga's future?

If you are still cannot stop your behavior, why don't you grab a lawyer and goes to court insted of creating more FUDs? Or aren't you capable to do something useful?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 228 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 18-Apr-2004 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 217 (Bernie Meyer):
>This reminds me of the whole episode where you cited "piracy issues" regarding >the release of a Warp3D software renderer for 68k, yet ignored the very same >"piracy issues" for the release of a PPC software renderer.

No offense Bernie but what the hell are you going on about?

To this date, there is no software renderer for Warp3D, either PPC, 68K or otherwise which is publically available.

Offers were made to the Amithlon authors for a Warp3D license but were rejected out of hand.

I hope that Pegasos you got is not radiating some kind of IQ suppressing radiation.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 229 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 18-Apr-2004 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, I understand your frustration but the last sentence was unnecessary.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 230 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 18-Apr-2004 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (Chip):
No more lawyers and courts. We have the spirit and we seem to have a lot of time and energy in our hands. Let's try to direct it into something useful, like new software.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 231 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Apr-2004 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 224 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, it was a joking remark, to your (hopefully) joking remark.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 232 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 18-Apr-2004 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 219 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
As a private person, you don't have access to system header files that anyone else doesn't. So you couldn't compile from such non-compilable sources in the first place.Surely you can't claim that those old, now outdated, header files were "commonly distributed" with AmigaOS 4.0. So, you need to provide them on request. Or you can't distribute the binary.And Hans-Joerg --- please note that I have never yet questioned Hyperion's intent to comply with the letter of the GPL. All I have said is that Hyperion's behaviour on these issues really irks me. Lots of perfectly legal stuff irks me. It being legal doesn't mean that I won't take the irking into account when making decisions for myself, though.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 233 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 18-Apr-2004 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Putting code on your website is not sufficient, *unless* the binary is also only available from your website.Please check the FSF's own GPL FAQ --- this particular issue is covered here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DistributeWithSourceOnInternetThe following few Q/A pairs are also recommended reading.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 234 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 18-Apr-2004 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 231 (Fabio Alemagna):
Yes, I was joking too. I just felt the need to explain my rather far-fetched point. :-P
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 235 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Apr-2004 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 233 (Bernie Meyer):
This one is pretty enlightening:

"Note, however, that it is not enough to find some site that happens to have the appropriate source code today, and tell people to look there. Tomorrow that site may have deleted that source code, or simply replaced it with a newer version of the same program. Then you would no longer be complying with the GPL requirements. To make a reasonable effort to comply, you need to make a positive arrangement with the other site, and thus ensure that the source will be available there for as long as you keep the binaries available."
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 236 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 18-Apr-2004 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> No offense Bernie but what the hell are you going on about?> To this date, there is no software renderer for Warp3D, either PPC,Curious --- in that case, could you explain what http://s.guillard.free.fr/swrender/swrender.htm is about?Haved you really forgotten the long discussion we had in http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=files&file=1014129779.msg right here on ann.lu, just two short years ago?I guess we could now speculate how many Pegasi you secretely have stashed away, given the apparent loss-of-memory resulting....
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 237 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Apr-2004 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Bernie Meyer):
A quote from that site:


What it doesn't do :

* 68K version (distribution not allowed by Hyperion because of Amithlon
Warp3D licensing issues)

So, can we now say, without fear of being accused of FUD spreading, name calling and libeling, that Ben Hermans is a liar?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 238 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 18-Apr-2004 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (Fabio Alemagna):
"So, can we now say, without fear of being accused of FUD spreading, name calling and libeling, that Ben Hermans is a liar?"

We have all told lies on occasion, and also said things we believed at the time but which turned out not to be true.

That is not the same as being a constant, habitual or compulsive liar, such as Ryan.

It pays to take everything with a grain of salt, but most people (including Ben) are basically truthful most of the time.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 239 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Apr-2004 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 238 (Don Cox):
> It pays to take everything with a grain of salt, but most people (including
> Ben) are basically truthful most of the time.

Don, there are countless examples where Ben Hermans has been guilty of knowingly spreading falsities, and this is just the latest one. Let's not try to make things look nicer than they are, please.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 240 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Apr-2004 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
>and those that are interested can get the source simply by asking. You mean _pay_ to get them on CD?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 241 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 18-Apr-2004 14:06 GMT
it seems to me that OS and software are moving to live cds.

thats a tough path to follow for proprietry works, fighting against piracy.

FOSS has alot less overhead for the user/consumer to have to deal with.

I'm becomming more and more aware of the blinders others are wearing regarding the market changes and moves away from traditional practices.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 242 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 18-Apr-2004 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Fabio Alemagna):
"Don, there are countless examples where Ben Hermans has been guilty of knowingly spreading falsities, and this is just the latest one. Let's not try to make things look nicer than they are, please."

Your perception of him is different from mine.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 243 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Apr-2004 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (Fabio Alemagna):
There are times where Ben has got something wrong, but that does not nessecarily mean he is lieing. When you get something wrong, which happens occasionally, I don't see people accuse you of lieing.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 244 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Apr-2004 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>I hope that Pegasos you got is not radiating some kind of IQ suppressing radiation. No, it must be the american educational system you despise so much.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 245 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Apr-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 242 (Don Cox):
> Your perception of him is different from mine.

So you mean he has never said things he couldn't know weren't true?

Besides, how about this very issue at hand?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 246 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Apr-2004 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 243 (Anonymous):
I usually don't get things wrong about my very self, that would be quite a bad sign for my mental health.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 247 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 18-Apr-2004 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (Fabio Alemagna):
"So you mean he has never said things he couldn't know weren't true?"

No, I don't. Everyone does that occasionally. But to brand somebody as "a liar" means that he constantly, habitually and compulsively comes out with lies and fantasies, and probably doesn't know the difference between what is true and what isn't. We do have a few like that in the Amiga world, but Ben isn't one of them.

This is like calling somebody a murderer because you can prove he squashed a fly.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 248 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Apr-2004 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 247 (Don Cox):
> No, I don't. Everyone does that occasionally.

I don't. If I would, or would have, I would or would have lied, hence I would or woul have been a liar.

> But to brand somebody as "a liar" means that he constantly, habitually and
> compulsively comes out with lies and fantasies, and probably doesn't know the
> difference between what is true and what isn't. We do have a few like that in
> the Amiga world, but Ben isn't one of them.

Don, what you're saying doesn't make any sense. If somebody lies to you, because he wants you to believe something that is not true, so that he gets advantage, somehow, from it, than that person is a liar.

> This is like calling somebody a murderer because you can prove he squashed a
> fly.

Not really. From your own reasoning, one would deduct that you'd call "murderer" only someone who constantly killed someone.

Instead, you kill once, you're a murderer. You lie, you say a big lie once, you're a liar.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 249 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 18-Apr-2004 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 243 (Anonymous):
There are times where Ben has got something wrong, but that does not nessecarily mean he is lieing. When you get something wrong, which happens occasionally, I don't see people accuse you of lieing.

So he's either a liar or just dumb? :)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 250 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 18-Apr-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 226 (Sammy Nordström):
>>>>I second that and hereby declare that I have nothing against anyone for the sole reason of beeing a certain operating system and/or hardware user. If anyone would ever think of me differently, he/she have obviously misunderstood me and my intentions; criticizing a tree doesn't neccessarily mean that you have something against the ones eating the fruit falling from it.<<<<<

Sorry if I vent a little here! It makes me sick, that some good news, has now become a bitch off! We are now pushing 300 posts,back and forth nit picking. Sorry in advance, if I add fuel to the fires, but I'm going to say my peace.

Back in 1996 Viscorp Stated this, and it good for all to read!
"Property Rights Infringement
It has come to our attention that several companies plan to build their own "compatible" or "extended" versions of the Amiga without obtaining the proper licensing from VIScorp. These companies will be placing themselves at legal risk, because their systems will undoubtedly infringe on Amiga intellectual property rights, including copyrights, patents, and trade secrets. "

Taking this to the next step if I were Gary Hare, I would fully defend my investmet in Amiga IP. That being said issues, of H&P, Aros, Mos etc. would all be on my legal map.
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