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[News] AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes goldANN.lu
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Leuven, Belgium - April 16, 2004. Hyperion Entertainment and the Amiga OS 4.0 development team are extremely pleased and relieved to announce that after nearly 30 months of painstaking development the Amiga OS 4.0 Developer Pre-release has gone gold and will be sent to the duplication plant on Monday, April 19, 2004.

Full details on Amigaworld.net

AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 51 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 17-Apr-2004 03:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (cheesegrate):
>Buck should be sitting in a prison someplace.
isin't the amiga kkkomunity just wonderful?<<<<<

Oh look if it isn't Mr. Cheesegrate memo!

lol
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 52 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 17-Apr-2004 03:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
>>>>>>Whatever they will announce, it will be MorphOS / Pegasos II or Genesi related. This has nothing to do with AmigaOS 4

They will probably announce MorphOS 1.5 or a better partnership with Motorola or G5 based Pegasos III...

Whatever they announce, there is no 0% chance for success when Bill Buck is is at the driving seat...
<<<<<

Yea, remember Buck owes the French Government well over two million for taxes!

Im sure they want the funds.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 53 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 17-Apr-2004 03:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (smithy):
When they say "developer prerelease" they mean its a beta with developer tools + sdk as well. They're killing two birds with one stone. 1. Get an early version out to users who have been waiting for so long, and 2. get something that developers can develop on.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 54 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 17-Apr-2004 03:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Nate Downes):
Nate, do you seriously think Hyperion are trying to mislead people into thinking they've sold 500,000 copies of OS4?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 55 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 17-Apr-2004 04:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (James Carroll):
Nate, do you seriously think Hyperion are trying to mislead people into thinking they've sold 500,000 copies of OS4?

Of course he does.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 56 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 17-Apr-2004 04:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Some Farker):
Let him answer for himself.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 57 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-Apr-2004 04:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Some Farker):
> This bizarre dragging in of some sort of feint regarding the KKK is just too >weird to even make it down the barrel, much less across the battlefield. So >that's -1 for you, I'm afraid.

deep breath it's a joke, by the way i'm not a blue butterfly.. calm down...
and get a life...
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 58 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Apr-2004 05:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (James Carroll):
Nate

Im quite shocked, you seriously think that software development cycle term such as GM ( Gold Master ) - a term which has been used by IBM for being the final version before it goes to the distributers since at least as long as I have been there - is a term meaning 500,000 copies have been sold - then I am gobsmacked. What about GA - what does that mean to you? LA?

I thought you were an industry guy, apparently not!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 59 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Apr-2004 05:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (cheesegrate):
Cheesegrate

Its a deeply offensive joke. It started out from that KOSH thingy ( which seemed a little bit crazy to me ) and people started referring to anyone who didnt agree with their anti-Amiga stance as the kommunity. Then some bright spark decided to make it even more offensive, trying to indicate that the kommunity were cross burners by stuttering the k - kkkommunity.

Funny really, as the ones that seem most intolerant of other peoples opinions are generally those that go around shouting about kkkomunity or "that portal" or "the portal".

We aren't even allowed one site to be unmolested by the bigots. What price freedom though? 5300 visitors a day seem to think its a price worth paying. ;-) Besides it gives y'all something to bash right? What would you do without your nice little labels - like BAF, kkkommunity etc?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 60 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fredrik on 17-Apr-2004 05:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (DaveP):
Why do you think he works for Genesi?

Because he is smart?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 61 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Metalheart on 17-Apr-2004 05:27 GMT
Just like a lot of threads, this one started out 'nice to read' but once again turned into a pathetic -name calling, my penis is bigger that yours- thread.....

Unless I'm missing something and you are all just kidding and/or making fun, I'd like to say you (you know who I'm refering to!) are just a bunch of small pathetic kids !

I (hope) I'm getting OS4 on my XE soon, but if someone wants MOS then fine, I wont bitch about it ! MOS and pegasos are nice products but I chose for OS4.

Hyperion and the other OS4 developers, All MOS developers, who ever made the A1 and Pegasos all deserve our respect as they all try to keep the Amiga alive.

Get it ?

Martin
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 62 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by john on 17-Apr-2004 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (DaveP):
@DaveP

Nate already admitted to having a stressful day ahead and this news gives him the opportunity to nit pick. Bill Hoggett and Rich Woods both have their own twisted agendas and, as usual, jump on any band wagon that tries to put a negative spin on what can only really be described as 'good news'.
Still, they must have their fun and oh how we laughed, eh?

-john
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 63 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Apr-2004 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Johan Rönnblom):
ITs not about it being expected to, it will. Read the press release again, it tells you:

1. The ISO has gone gold - meaning no further changes will be made.
2. It will be sent to the distributers on Monday.

It is not a statement that it will go gold, but that it has.

But carry on sharing out the whine, even if it is fermented from sour grapes.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 64 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Nate Downes):
> No it does not. "Gone Gold" has ment one thing *and one thing only* when it
> comes to any kind of copyrighted material for the better part of the last
> century:
>
> It has sold at least 500,000 copies.

Sorry, Nate, but you are obviously not well informed:

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/blammo.pl?mode=archive&oneday=true&display=20040309#47581

Scroll down to where it says "Far Cry Gold", then explain again, please.

"Going Gold" is well established lingo for "Going into production".
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 65 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (James Carroll):
> When they say "developer prerelease" they mean its a beta with developer tools + sdk as well. They're killing two birds with one stone

What about the source code to the GPL material of the SDK? Already released or included on the CD? It would be nice if the new ppc gdb and the gcc 3.3.x (if it works) would be ported to MorphOS, too. I hope that at least the gcc people will work together instead of maintaining two separate branches so that at some point we will have one gcc or even one SDK that compiles for OS4 and for MOS with a simple command line switch.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 66 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
What's that a hint to steal even more IP ?
Anyway, 3.4 will be part of the official gcc sooner or later.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 67 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by oRBIT on 17-Apr-2004 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
Is there any point of buying the AOS4 developer CD if I've "only" got a BlizzardVisionPPC board?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 68 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by oRBIT on 17-Apr-2004 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (oRBIT):
Hm, I meant of course a BlizzardPPC board, sorry :)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 69 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
> What's that a hint to steal even more IP?

Rent a brain. The whole GPL idea is to share the code. Not releasing the source code of gcc/gdb qualifies as stealing IP.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 70 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 07:16 GMT
Congratulations to the A1 owners, soon you may finally be able to use
your computers as Amigas. :)

But are they really sending a low volume beta release to a "production
plant" for duplication? Is that well spent resources? I believe a pile
of CD-R's and a spare afternoon would do just as good ...
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 71 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 17-Apr-2004 07:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Bill Hoggett):
>Gone gold? They have sold 500,000 shrinkwrap licenses?

I have worked in the past for several Computer companies, and the developers (I am meaning the developers, not some Marketing people) *always* used the term "We have gone gold" for "the master CD has been delivered to the production plant" or even "the master CD was written with the CD Writing software". This was never any different.

And I guess you know this quite well :)

Steffen
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 72 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Apr-2004 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):
> Rent a brain. The whole GPL idea is to share the code. Not releasing the source code of gcc/gdb qualifies as stealing IP.

Rent some principles. The GPL requires only that you release source code of parts that the GPL applies to those users that can prove they have the binary.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 73 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
> But are they really sending a low volume beta release to a "production
plant" for duplication? Is that well spent resources? I believe a pile
of CD-R's and a spare afternoon would do just as good ...

Are you kidding? One afternoon manual labour won't get you very far. 80 disks or so. Anyway, who said it is not CD-R? Reproducion companies use CD-R for small orders. The small shop in my town can produce 1000 disks over night.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 74 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 17-Apr-2004 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):
> Rent a brain. The whole GPL idea is to share the code. Not releasing the source >code of gcc/gdb qualifies as stealing IP.

Well - no.

As long as nobody (who owns the Binary) requests the source-code nobody is
required to release it. He can do it, but he does not need to.

I *think* to remember, though that at least the changes for an older version of
the OS 4 gcc have already been entered into the main codebase of gcc. But of
course better accuse people before checking the facts...

Steffen
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 75 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 17-Apr-2004 07:33 GMT
Well, well, well, ..... and they said it wouldn't happen!!!!!


Hooray, hooray, HOORAY!!!!!!!


ALL other OSs had best worry and QUAKE in their boots!

Their numbers will now experience a half-life, and gloom is on the horizon!!!!!

We are NO LONGER, CANNON FODDER, because, we will NUKEM!!!!!

The GREATEST OS made shall SOON be COMPLETE!*


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! Let the GAMES begin!!!!!


* Okay, so I'm OTT happy, but it IS true!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 76 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 07:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (DaveP):
> Rent some principles. The GPL requires only that you release source code of parts that the GPL applies to those users that can prove they have the binary.

Yes, that's what the GPL requires as the bare minimum and you can't worm your way out of that. It's not the spirit of the GPL though. The GPL is about code sharing and mutual benefit. Besides, such hair splitting is pointless because the source code must be provided, at least to some, and is still under the GPL at that point. Which means it is public property and can and should be uploaded, so that the GPL community benefits just as the user of the GPL code took advantage of the work of the GPL community.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 77 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Paul H on 17-Apr-2004 07:46 GMT
Some people are so bitter..

Congratulations Hyperion and others involved in OS4, this is certainly a great achievement!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 78 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Steffen Haeuser):
> But of course better accuse people before checking the facts...

Give me a break. I just asked a simple question: "where is the source code to gcc and gdb? On the CD? On a web site?" That's a perfectly normal question for software under the GPL. There is no need to get red in the face and accuse me of stealing IP or accusing somebody unjustly.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 79 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
> It's not the spirit of the GPL though

Who says that? If it's not the spirit of the GPL, then why word the GPL that way at all?

That said, I don't see why the sources couldn't be released together with the binaries, on the same CD. Don't think it has run out of free space, has it?

But then, perhaps I know why...
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 80 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Who says that? If it's not the spirit of the GPL, then why word the GPL that way at all?

The spirit of the GPL is not in the wording of one sentence but in the whole GPL. But if you need the spirit in one neat sentence, what about the GPL's preamble: "By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software". If you don't agree that the spirit of the GPL community is sharing, than you have clearly lost your mind. As to why the GPL is worded that way in that instance: Good question, beats me. The wording doesn't make much sense, does it? Effectively, it does not limit sharing.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 81 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Anonymous):
> The spirit of the GPL is not in the wording of one sentence but in the whole
> GPL.

Sure, but one would expect that a sentence doesn't contraddict the rest of the license... And indeed it doesn't, mind you, it's just that you got the "spirit" the wrong way around.

> But if you need the spirit in one neat sentence, what about the GPL's
> preamble: "By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to
> guarantee your freedom to share and change free software".

And that freedom is guaranteed, indeed: ask for the sources, if you got the binaries.

But, as said, it would have been so much simpler if the sources were put together with the binaries on the same media in the first place.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 82 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 17-Apr-2004 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (U. B. Kuhl):
someone wrote:

"...everyone knows Ben Hermans is a holographic of Fleecy, the Friedens are sock
puppets on a kids T.V. show...Hauser is the janitor, and Olaf Bartel is the
code name for home-brew whiskey...none really exist except in the minds of
the blind faithful fans of vapourware...its a hokes and we all know it..."

i don't know who wrote those but if really "...everyone knows Ben Hermans is a holographic of Fleecy", i'll try to touch him soon :-)

BTW . . .please . . . don't trash a good news . . .only this time, please!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 83 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Apr-2004 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Metalheart):
Accept RULE! :-)

(But Judas Priest rule even more ;-)

BTW, people, stop nitpicking... :-)

This is good news.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 84 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 08:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Sure, but one would expect that a sentence doesn't contraddict the rest of the license... And indeed it doesn't

Actually, I think that it does contradict the spirit of the GPL and is odd. It is odd because it imposes a limit that has no practical relevance. I can only assume that the wording does not reflect a principle or spirit but practicalities: Dropping the requirement to provide source code to everybody limits your expenses (for traffic etc.) to your own, direct customers. I think that using the provision to intentionally restrict access to GPL projects is abuse.

> But, as said, it would have been so much simpler if the sources were put together with the binaries on the same media in the first place.

Yes, and maybe it is. Hence my question.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 85 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Apr-2004 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
You didnt ask a question, you accused anyone who is acting within the license quite properly of IP theft.

Thats why you got peoples backs up, and that along with the fact you clearly had not read and comprehended the GPL before making your accusations kind of makes your opinion on whether or not it is right or wrong or within the spirit of the GPL worthless.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 86 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Apr-2004 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Fabio Alemagna):
"But, as said, it would have been so much simpler if the sources were put together with the binaries on the same media in the first place."

It would, but perhaps they can be put up on the new web site instead.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 87 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2004 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (DaveP):
> You didnt ask a question, you accused anyone [...]

Excuse me but I'm asking a simple question here: where is the source code? Simple questions have simple answers, such as "on the CD", "on our web site", "on request". It has a question mark, so I think it qualifies as question, thank you very much. I don't understand why some people get so worked up about that and turn it into a long thread about IP theft and a GPL lecture. You seem to attribute that turn of argument to me?!

> you accused anyone who is acting within the license quite properly of IP theft.

Yes. If somebody takes a GPL'ed program made by countless motivated unpaid developers and modifies that and sells that and does not release the source code back to those developers and the public, I won't mince words. It is IP theft to me. It is not IP theft in the strict, legalistic, hair-splitting sense. It is acting within the license, as you put it. But in a moral sense, it is nasty. And to make that perfectly clear for the reading-impaired: I'm not accusing anybody here, that is a what-if argument made in the context of this discussion. I'm still just asking, not accusing.

> you clearly had not read and comprehended the GPL

I'm releasing software under the GPL, if that amounts to a defense ;)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 88 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Anonymous):
> Yes. If somebody takes a GPL'ed program made by countless motivated unpaid
> developers and modifies that and sells that and does not release the source
> code back to those developers and the public, I won't mince words. It is IP
> theft to me

It is IP theft to you, but thankfully not to the GPL nor to the law (also because there's no such thing as "IP theft", but I'm nitpicking now).

As long as the sources are provided on demand (which is all the GPL requires you to do, hence there's no "spirit breakage"), there's nothing fishy going on.

But YES, I do agree that it's not nice of one to take that path instead of releasing the sources together with the binaries, specially if there's no apparent reason to do so.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 89 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 17-Apr-2004 09:34 GMT
Well done at all involved :-)
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 90 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by qwerty on 17-Apr-2004 09:40 GMT
How finished is the product? Does it include ie. tcp/ip stack?
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 91 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by el xispo on 17-Apr-2004 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (ehaines):
...Typically, a few idiots insist on being idiots. Listen, idiots, "going gold" has been a common term for years for software CDs being mastered, and no (sane, clue-enabled) person thinks it means 500,000 copies of anything. Check out:

Yeah, that's true, but the intention was to infuriate the opposite party and drive the discussion to muddy waters.

Success of one of the sides cannot be expresed in a neutral forum without being hammered by the other. That is why MorphZone.org and AmigaWorld.net exist.

We must look beyond words, knowing who's who and having in mind wich particular interests drive them.

It has become so difficult reading the friggin' forums. Tryin' to address incorrections and to stop stupidity is a futile action.
THEY DO IT PURPOSELY!!!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 92 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Apr-2004 10:43 GMT
Nate, you continue to provide an excellent source of humour. I hope that we in the Amiga community can continue to enjoy your thoroughly hilarious clueless rants, spoken in an authoritative and patronising tone. May one day your talents be recognised, and you become the official Amiga community jester!
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 93 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 17-Apr-2004 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (qwerty):
How finished? It's a Beta, as in all features planned for the final release has been implemented, the rest is about beta testing and optimisation. Roadshow is the new AmigaOS4 native TCP/IP stack.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 94 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 17-Apr-2004 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Get AmigaOS4.0 ready and start working on “Far Cry” I’m impressed
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 95 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 17-Apr-2004 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy Nordström wrote:
> It's a Beta, as in all features planned for the final release has
> been implemented, the rest is about beta testing and optimisation.

So the JIT is integrated, USB devices are supported, and you can run
legacy PPC programs (at least WarpOS stuff)?

Would be interesting with some featurelist.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 96 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 17-Apr-2004 11:00 GMT
Well.. there are a few reasons why I think they could have waited a
few days with this release:
1) Ok, what if tomorrow they discover some really nasty
showstopper bug? Then obviously they won't send their compiled ISO to
the "duplication plant". People will be disappointed (again) and a few
people will leave the Amiga world for good (again).

2) As we don't really have anything else do discuss, all discussions
must of course by logic turn into flamewars (unless there are
moderators deleting all comments that are not inanely positive, in
which case the result is even more depressing).
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 97 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
> What about the source code to the GPL material of the SDK? Already released or
> included on the CD?

No, they aren't included on the CD. Those that have a copy can request the source code, as per regulation of the GPL.

> It would be nice if the new ppc gdb and the gcc 3.3.x (if it works) would be
> ported to MorphOS, too.

I have my doubts that this would work. A debugger is something very system-specific, and AmigaOS 4 has a few built-in mechanisms for supporting debuggers that the GDB port makes use of. Of course this makes it highly unportable.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 98 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):
> Rent a brain. The whole GPL idea is to share the code. Not releasing the source
> code of gcc/gdb qualifies as stealing IP.

There is absolutely no need to get down to this level. We had GPL'ed projects before, and always handled them in accordance to the terms of the GPL.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 99 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Apr-2004 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Fabio Alemagna):
> I don't see why the sources couldn't be released together with the binaries, on
> the same CD. Don't think it has run out of free space, has it?

Believe it or not, it's close.

Apart from that, the code is somewhat in a state of flux. GDB does not compile at the moment due to changes in the headers. The patches to GCC are rather minimal, though.
AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release goes gold : Comment 100 of 283ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Apr-2004 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> No, they aren't included on the CD. Those that have a copy can request the
> source code, as per regulation of the GPL.

May we know why you decided to take that approach, rather than putting the souce code on the CD, or even putting it up on the web somewhere, as 99% of the commercial entities using GPL'd code do?
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