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[Web] AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDKANN.lu
Posted on 20-Apr-2004 10:17 GMT by Mikey C (Edited on 2004-04-20 21:29:25 GMT by Christian Kemp)57 comments
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Nicolas Mendoza was kind enough to provide a few snapshots of the different development tools you'll be able to play with when the AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release CD arrives.

View Screenshots at Amigaworld.net

AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 1 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 20-Apr-2004 08:21 GMT
The URL is not werking.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 2 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 20-Apr-2004 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (itix):
Checked site and direct URL is http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=1393 Six screenshots demonstrating Grim Reaper and bits of OS4 SDK: http://amigaworld.net/images/devsnaps/os4_sdk1.pnghttp://amigaworld.net/images/devsnaps/os4_sdk2.pnghttp://amigaworld.net/images/devsnaps/os4_sdk3.pnghttp://amigaworld.net/images/devsnaps/os4_sdk4.pnghttp://amigaworld.net/images/devsnaps/os4_sdk5.pnghttp://amigaworld.net/images/devsnaps/os4_sdk7.png
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 3 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2004 09:57 GMT
Wow, this looks slick and polished!
*drool* gimme, gimme, gimme!

- Oppressor
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 4 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 20-Apr-2004 10:00 GMT
it would be nice to hear how AOS4 handles crashes, how more safe it is, say against MCP way of avoiding crashes...
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 5 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 20-Apr-2004 10:31 GMT
What's MCP's way of handling?
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 6 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2004 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (pixie):
>it would be nice to hear how AOS4 handles crashes, how more safe it is, say >against MCP way of avoiding crashes...

Au contraire -- I'd say MCP can add to making the system more crash-prone!
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 7 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Apr-2004 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (pixie):
What MCP way of avoiding crashes ?
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 8 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Apr-2004 11:12 GMT
Looks really good.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 9 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Apr-2004 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (itix):
*drools*

Cheers
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 10 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2004 11:38 GMT
Looks like one step forward, two steps backwards: The OS3 SDK CD with the StormC IDE was nice. Visual debugger, project management, visual make. I wonder if H&P would be willing to sell or donate the IDE part of StormC so that we could use it with the new compilers? Btw, very nice to have so many compilers.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 11 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 20-Apr-2004 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Ask the developers who cares about 'visual interfaces' for compiling! ;)
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 12 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 20-Apr-2004 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Chip):
JanoEditor, make
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 13 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by garfield on 20-Apr-2004 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Why are lusers always getting off on looks? If it doesn't work properly then no amount of good looks will make it any better. And in aos4's case it will not ever work right, amongst other things because the chipset on the motherboard has major bugs.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 14 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Apr-2004 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (garfield):
Yea yea bla bla
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 15 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Apr-2004 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
This SDK comes "free" while OS3 SDK was a separate commercial product. another "forwardstep" for this SDK for earlybirds.. IMHO
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 16 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Apr-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (garfield):
"chipset on the motherboard has major bugs."
How would you know?

And if they do not show up with AOS4, who cares.

Let's wait & see how it works out.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 17 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-Apr-2004 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (garfield):
What are you coopering it whit MorphOS, Linux or Windows? my amigaone runs whit out crashes, I have dma off, and lately there have bin an patch for Linux, and the Hyperion drivers take the Articia feature inn count, as fear as I can tell there is no bugs.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 18 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-Apr-2004 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (pixie):
MCP adds fancy beta patches to exec (crashes), it will not protect the system,
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 19 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Rassilon on 20-Apr-2004 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Well if you have a copy of GolEd AIX it basically provides a front end for many compilers including GCC/VBCC etc.

I find it very useful!!!
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 20 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 20-Apr-2004 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Kjetil):
Actually, whether MCP crashed or not changed from version to version. Lots of its features were really helpful, and yes it could catch some things. I believe Grimreaper is a _tad_ more cleanly implemented as it has been designed and implemented from "inside" the OS and not the other way around.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 21 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Apr-2004 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
I do not nesessarily need IDE :) texteditor, GCC, GDB etc is just enough :) And grimreape looks great too.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 22 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2004 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Chip):
> Ask the developers who cares about 'visual interfaces' for compiling! ;)

You are joking, right? KDE Develop, Eclipse, MS Visual C, Sharp Develop, dev-c++ IDE, etc. It's pretty clear what developers want.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 23 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Apr-2004 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (garfield):
Why do losers always post bullshit like that ? :)
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 24 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Apr-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Lot's of linux etc developers still do use GCC same way we do. Really, not all developers use KDE ide's or something like that. I know that IDE may help a lot, but if you know what you are doing then it's actually more flexiple and powerful to use GCC, gdb, make etc from shell. It's matter of taste ofcourse, some use console/shell as much as possible, some use graphical desktop like WB.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 25 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 20-Apr-2004 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
I agree that a neat IDE would've been nice, and I bet there won't be long till OS4 have several either, but there are actually a lot of people that prefer to use the editor of choice and command line tools combo.

Of course those screenshots were just done quickly to show "it's alive", so I used the basics, which shows that even if you can't afford GoldEd or CygnusED or don't have a vi(m) or (x)emacs degree you can manage to contribute to the platform anyway. Seeing is believeing right?
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 26 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 20-Apr-2004 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
> Ask the developers who cares about 'visual interfaces' for compiling! ;)

You are joking, right? KDE Develop, Eclipse, MS Visual C, Sharp Develop, dev-c++ IDE, etc. It's pretty clear what developers want.


"Developers" is a generic term (notwithstanding Microsoft's Monkeyman's antics). There's a pretty strong argument that "visual interfaces" have encouraged some "developers" who should have been accoutred with a strait-jacket before being allowed near a computer mouse.

For my humble opinion, a mix of the two is best, with the balance shifting towards the command line as experience increases and speed of development becomes more significant.

Gregg
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 27 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-Apr-2004 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Chip):
I perfear not using an text editor showing tags whit different colors, I do not like programs that generate X number of header files and preconfigured shit.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 28 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2004 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Kjetil):
> I perfear not using an text editor showing tags whit different colors

Abolutely, color and IDEs and otter nonsense is for quiche eaters. Real programmers are happy whit a shell and make.
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 29 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 20-Apr-2004 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
echo int main() >> program.c
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 30 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 20-Apr-2004 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
...and line editors. None of this wimpy vi and emacs frippery.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 31 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 20-Apr-2004 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (itix):
>>The URL is not werking.

There is almost some truth in that statement....

"The URL is NetWorking"
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 32 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 20-Apr-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (garfield):
Looks and use are important in our microsphere and even more so out there in the macrosphere of the real world!

Re: 'chipset issues' Can we not drag this crap into every thread. OS4 isn't even released yet - how the heck do you know the appropriate software workarounds haven't been implemented. Let the product speak for itself.

Thanks for listening...
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 33 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 20-Apr-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Gregg):
I program everything in notepad...except for my Visual C# .NET projects.

Having an IDE doesn't mean you can't use the command line, even .NET could compile with the command line.

But if you do have an IDE like the one in the .NET Studio, you are HIGHLY likely to use it. As a matter of fact, you'll pry it only from my cold, dead hands.

I was a command line bigot too, and even today, I'm doing most of my development this morning in notepad, and copying pasting various things into my telnet session...BUT, there can be no doubt it would have been nice to have had a standard IDE in the dev tools.

Why...because there is no SANE argument that lack of features is a feature. This isn't like System 7 or something, where the gui is trumping the command line....in point of fact, the gui would just be a nice option, just an option that probably everyone would exercise.

But, that isn't meant as stinging criticism, I'm just happy they are supposedly finally releasing the thing. BTW, that was yesterday, who got their copy? doesn't hurt to make sure it happened.

and....what dealer is selling amigaone's with os 4 pre-loaded now? any? I'll be glad when that gets sorted out too. I definately want one. no point in being an amigan without an amiga.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 34 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by oxygenet32 on 20-Apr-2004 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (MarkTime):
Hi there,

Good argument RE: the IDE, I have started programming in .NET after doing only PHP before, and I admit I like the IDE.

However, it's also fair to say that they had to get it out the door ASAP, and waiting on a nice IDE just wasn't practical, i'm sure one will appear sooner rather than later though :-)

Also nobody will have the pre-release of AOS4 YET, as it was being MASTERED this week I believe and NOT sent out, people should start getting there's in about a week and a half / two weeks if everything goes to plan if i've read everything correctly ;-)

Chris
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 35 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 20-Apr-2004 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (itix):
Thought for the day:

If the lack of an IDE justifies as many as SIX screenshots, what will happen when they actually develop one?

:-P
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 36 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2004 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (MarkTime):
> I program everything in notepad...

Then rejoice, for now you got a bunch of screenshots of that "AmigaOS4 SDK".

I mean, WTF? Is this an entry to the Most Meaningless News 2004 competition?
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 37 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 20-Apr-2004 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Bill Hoggett):
I will take 12 and send them all to your private email address, good enough? ;D
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 38 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Megol on 20-Apr-2004 22:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Bill Hoggett):
"...and line editors. None of this wimpy vi and emacs frippery."

In MSDOS I have used 'copy con: program.com'. However as all know real programmers use toggleswitches!
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 39 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by LjL on 20-Apr-2004 23:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Megol):
... or cat >filename, when your terminal is on a lame serial line with no decent control codes support - that is, when my server crashes...
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 40 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 21-Apr-2004 01:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Bill Hoggett):
Thinking of what I am thinking..? Yep, there has been so many screenshots of early pre-beta of AOS4 lately, I think it's time to set up an own category for them!
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 41 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 21-Apr-2004 04:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (hooligan/dcs):
How about a os4screeenshotzone.org ;)
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 42 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 04:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Megol):
What? I though they used a large stack of punch cards.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 43 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 04:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
A REAL Renaissance Man, that lindah.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 44 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 21-Apr-2004 05:30 GMT
did the guy use Powericons in these screenshots?
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 45 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 21-Apr-2004 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (James Carroll):
He may have done. I read that OS4's icons don't have a shared palette, but are limited to 256 colours (not really a limitation IMHO).
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 46 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 21-Apr-2004 06:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
So obviously I'm not a developer, since I use Emacs.

Funny how I make a living programming then? ;-)
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 47 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by smp266 on 21-Apr-2004 07:43 GMT
Bring on Open Office!

The other day, I was just catching up on the latest PC apps. I notice that in 14 years they still have the same box designs. They are totally boring and over-complicated. You still have to read through 300 pages to find out how to do the most basic things (properly.)

People are afraid of buying a potential $1000 doorstop. That at leasts tells you that long-term support and value for money are the key hurdles.

The computer world is maturing. Hardware is pushing the limits of current technology. It's the time again for software to make the difference.
Look at MS office: Fewer people are buying the latest upgrade because the previous editions do everything they need.
I would imagine that people would upgrade because they can get things done faster and/or easier.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 48 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 21-Apr-2004 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (hooligan/dcs):
I think it is a good idea, the screens-shouts are scattered over x number of sites,.
http://os.amiga.com, http://www.amigaworld.com, http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com, then again it not relay important, when AmigaOS4.0 is out this screen shouts are going to be looked at as quite boring, being the default look of AmigaOS4.0.

Ideal think the if they just uploaded all the images from all the other sites to www.amigaworld.com that be great as there are already gallery areas there.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 49 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 21-Apr-2004 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (smp266):
The other day, I was just catching up on the latest PC apps. I notice that in 14 years they still have the same box designs. They are totally boring and over-complicated. You still have to read through 300 pages to find out how to do the most basic things (properly.)

It typical that newbes read 300 of pages when they should have only read 100 pages, book and pdfs are normal indexed category, and keywords inn the back of the book.

People are afraid of buying a potential $1000 doorstop. That at leasts tells you that long-term support and value for money are the key hurdles.

Well maybe then again AmigaOS4.0/AmigaOne is not about targeting new users, the main goal is to clean up the exec, and modern features an migrate from no longer produced 68k, improve and add new standards, get developer back to the platform,

And then the next versions of AmigaOS after OS4.0 can stand ready whit new ppc native software, Workbench4.2 etc, ready for common Joe, AmigaOne G5 64bit 3Ghz and up.

The computer world is maturing. Hardware is pushing the limits of current technology. It's the time again for software to make the difference.

Software pushes the limits of the hardware, and you get nasty upgrade cycles, than again its true that you can do things whit new software that you can do whit old, AmigaOS4.0 being an example

Look at MS office: Fewer people are buying the latest upgrade because the previous editions do everything they need.

This is true, then maybe MS is on it way down, as one of the leading software enterprises, or at least the MS staff is, bring possibilities for newcomers.

I would imagine that people would upgrade because they can get things done faster and/or easier.

Or maybe because software that uses computers restores are to demanding for there computer, then they upgrade there software because the computer crashes all the time, being cheep Intel/AMD spec computers whit none expensive / shit VIA chipset, pushed to its over limit by hard competition.
AmigaOS4 Snapshots from SDK : Comment 50 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 21-Apr-2004 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (James Carroll):
No, i didnt use PowerIcons. I did however design some of the icons in the dock, and Im working with a whole set of those.
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