| [News] News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 21-Apr-2004 10:05 GMT by Puff Mommy | 47 comments
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Under this link you find new Screenshots of the MorphOS-Version of Papyrus Office. Amongst others it's shown how Word-Documents are being imported. Furthermore the featureslist got expanded with additional formats that Papyrus Office MorphOS is able to deal with.
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 1 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by oGALAXYo on 21-Apr-2004 08:10 GMT | I wonder why it's not using Anti Aliased fonts. Doing things like this is a must nowadays and echances readability of Text totally. MorphOS already supports Anti Aliasing within the System (configurable, you can turn it on and off) and I'd somehow expect Papyrus Office to use the same engine for this.
How does it look if you have half of your apps obeying the System standards of doing things and half ot the other apps not doing this.
Can someone please confirm whether Papyrus Office is able to present Anti Aliased stuff or not ? |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 2 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 08:24 GMT | Says on website: "04.04.2004 - Screenshots der aktuellen MorphOS/AmigaOS Version hinzugefügt"
Does this mean there may be an AmigaOS (3.x or only 4.0) version coming
as well? |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Apr-2004 08:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (oGALAXYo):
I noticed that too, good question
Cheers |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Apr-2004 08:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Dunno, wouldn't hurt tho :)
Cheers |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Apr-2004 08:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 5 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
It's already available? didn't know that, thx |
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| Posted by JoannaK on 21-Apr-2004 08:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 5 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
Would help a lot if you had English pages available.. Many of us can't read German. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 9 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Michael Garlich (TitanComputers) on 21-Apr-2004 09:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (JoannaK):
Hi Joanna
I know ;) but this news were just for german Amiga Newspages. English version will be available soon. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 10 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jorge on 21-Apr-2004 09:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
So, do you think you might rebuild it for OS4 ? |
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| Posted by JoannaK on 21-Apr-2004 09:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
As I cheked couple minutes ago, there was not even english index page (404 error...). I hope that's because soemone is working on updates.. |
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| Posted by Raffaele on 21-Apr-2004 09:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (oGALAXYo):
Mr. Galaxy wrote:
>I wonder why it's not using Anti Aliased fonts.
>Doing things like this is a must nowadays and
>echances readability of Text totally.
>MorphOS already supports Anti Aliasing within the System
>(configurable, you can turn it on and off)
>and I'd somehow expect Papyrus Office to use
> the same engine for this.
>
>[...]
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>Can someone please confirm whether Papyrus Office
>is able to present Anti Aliased stuff or not ?
I've installed it once in a Linux Enviroment...
and I noticed the same behaviour in managing fonts...
...behaviour that let me consider Papyrus Office nothing than an text editor with some more features added,
and then, let me chioce to uninstall it all for this bad looking...
But honestly i must say I uninstalled it before to check if there is a command to add AntiAlias to fonts...
(after first bad impact to me)
because I were happy and satisfied with Wordperfect Linux... |
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| Posted by miksuh on 21-Apr-2004 09:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
It would be good for the whole community if there will be both MOS and OS4 versions, and why not AROS version too :) More money for the papyrus developers, and more happy users. It could not be bad at all. |
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| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 21-Apr-2004 10:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (miksuh):
If it runs on AOS3.x, an AROS version wouldn't be more than a recompile away. Indeed, it would be nice if it were available for AROS too: no effort in making it available, and more choice to the users. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 10:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 15 (Fabio Alemagna):
Well Aros has to prove then, how good zune realy is ;-) Afair Papyrus MOS/AOS is heavily based on Mui. If compatibility is good enough this should be no Problem... |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 17 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 10:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (oGALAXYo):
> MorphOS already supports Anti Aliasing within the System (configurable, you can turn it on and off)
MorphOS supports horizontal Text() but does it support rotated text or text with user-defined character spacing etc? Probably not. Which makes any support in MorphOS quite useless. Besides, as a developer, it makes no sense to enter into a dependency on MorphOS if you want to sell your appliocation to OS3, MOS and OS4 users. |
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| Posted by Michael Garlich (TitanComputers) on 21-Apr-2004 10:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (Raffaele):
Hello Raffaele
im a bit confused which software you may have tested on Linux but cant be papyrus Office because its not available for Linux. |
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| Posted by cheesegrate on 21-Apr-2004 10:45 GMT | | any word on the resumption of motion studio development mr garlich? |
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| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Apr-2004 10:51 GMT | I think that from the looks of it, it seems like a very useful and
welcome package. But I totally agree that antialiasing would be a
major improvement. And of course it remains to be seen how it is to
use. :-)
Also, I noticed something which looks as graphics bugs on the first
screenshot, in the corners of the squares. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 21 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by oGALAXYo on 21-Apr-2004 10:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
> MorphOS supports horizontal Text() but does it support rotated text or text with
> user-defined character spacing etc? Probably not. Which makes any support in
> MorphOS quite useless. Besides, as a developer, it makes no sense to enter into
> a dependency on MorphOS if you want to sell your appliocation to OS3, MOS and
> OS4 users.
How's youe explaination related to Anti Aliased fonts and Freetype2 support ? AmigaOS4 supports Freetype, MorphOS supports Freetype as well as AROS supports Freetype. They are smoothly embedded in the System as such. Basicly every text output is hooked up to Freetype. So I don't really understand what problems you have here. It's either understanding problems of your side or you simply want to make it another MOS vs. rest of world flame war again.
When everything on AmigaOS4, AROS or MorphOS uses systemconform functions to do their Text output then so should every other app written for that system. If the user do not want to use Anti Alias, he/she can go into the preferences and turn it off. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 22 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by oGALAXYo on 21-Apr-2004 10:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
> MorphOS supports horizontal Text() but does it support rotated text or text with
Anti Aliasing happens before you output any text. So it doesn't matter if you horizontally print Text, Vertically print text, or have it rotated. Freetype is hooked up between the
FONTS <-> FreeType <-> Text relevant parts of the OS
and Papyrus Office should touch the Text relevant parts of the OS or directly hook up at FreeType. So again it doesn't matter if horizontal, vertical, rotating, mirrored, flipped, shadowed or whatever. That's why there is the FreeType engine for. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 23 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 21-Apr-2004 11:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
"Dunno about 4.0 version, but 3.5/3.9 version seems to be on making too. See pricelist page."
No mention of Amiga 3.9 there.
It looks as though Papyrus will be worth buying for use on Amithlon when it is available. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 24 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 21-Apr-2004 11:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
""Dunno about 4.0 version, but 3.5/3.9 version seems to be on making too. See pricelist page."
No mention of Amiga 3.9 there."
Correction - there is. In very small type (well that's my excuse).
But is it actually available? If so, where from?
A good program for printing Word documents is much needed. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 11:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (oGALAXYo):
> Anti Aliasing happens before you output any text.
The point is that MorphOS can not, I presume, output rotated text via Text(), anti-aliased or not. Since anti-aliasing is performed in the Text() function (even though the transparency data is in the font), that means that anti-aliasing support in MorphOS is probably quite useless for this application. It will have to have its own Text() replacement with support for rotated text and anti-aliasing: It will custom-Text() to an off-screen composition buffer to take care of layered content (possibly over existing content) and then blit that buffer to the screen. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 26 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 21-Apr-2004 13:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
> Well Aros has to prove then, how good zune realy is ;-) Afair Papyrus MOS/AOS
> is heavily based on Mui. If compatibility is good enough this should be no
> Problem...
Zune is still buggy at some places, but this is exactly a good way to fix those bugs, and implement the missing pieces. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 27 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 21-Apr-2004 13:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
You can use freetype directly, on MOS, AROS and probably even AOS. |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Apr-2004 13:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Fabio Alemagna):
What are you sitting here on ann.lu then? Go fix them bugs ;)
Cheers |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Apr-2004 13:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 27 (Fabio Alemagna):
AOS4 supports Freetype |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 30 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 13:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Fabio Alemagna):
It would be great to see Papyrus Office running on AROS :-)
Maybe even some printing support could be worked on, in addition
to the Zune classes... |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 31 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 21-Apr-2004 13:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
> Maybe even some printing support could be worked on, in addition
> to the Zune classes...
The only way I can see AROS getting printing support is via ghostscript: no way any of us is going, or even has the knowledge, to do the awful amount of work required to support even the tiniest subset of the printers GhostScript supports.
So, anyone up to porting ghostscript? ;-) |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 32 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Apr-2004 17:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (Fabio Alemagna):
Ghostscript? Implement CUPS instead. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 33 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 21-Apr-2004 18:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
> Ghostscript? Implement CUPS instead.
Well, CUPS needs ghostscript anyway, and it also needs a networking infrastructure, if I'm not mistaken.
As for CUPS requiring ghostscript:
http://www.cups.org/software.php
"CUPS 1.1.15 and higher no longer include the PostScript RIP filter, pstoraster, necessary for printing PostScript, PDF, text, or HP-GL/2 files to non-PostScript printers. You must also install a version of Ghostscript with the "cups" raster driver (gdevcups.c) to print to non-PostScript printers." |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 34 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hammer on 21-Apr-2004 19:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
What about Amiga Forever 6.0 CD instead? |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 36 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rafo on 21-Apr-2004 19:56 GMT | Sorry about the flamebait stuff, but...
what's the point using such software when printing supoprt
in MOS is (well, let's face it) so poor. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 37 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 21-Apr-2004 20:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Rafo):
Hmm? MorphOS has integrated full version of TurboPrint. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 38 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 21-Apr-2004 20:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Rafo):
Aren't most documents printed to PDF files these days? :) |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 39 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Apr-2004 21:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Rafo):
Rafo: Ehm, this software is not out yet. Maybe your printer issues
will be solved, before it is?
Kolla: Damn, you're right!
Titan computer: Hey! Don't release screenshots with non-antialiased
fonts again, ok? :-) |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 40 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Juan Carlos Marcos Rodríguez on 22-Apr-2004 05:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 39 (Johan Rönnblom):
It's a pity that the visible information about this program looks unpolished (incomplete web site, for example), because it makes no justice to the apparent quality of the program. There's a simple problem with the screenshots, that for sure must look uglier than the actual program: They are JPEG files, which, unless shot at 100% quality, have disastrous effects in this kind of image (screenshot). Could anybody at Titan prepare some screenshots in PNG (or even GIF), for example?
See ya! |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 41 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Michael Garlich (TitanComputers) on 22-Apr-2004 07:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 40 (Juan Carlos Marcos Rodríguez):
As i said in my previous posting this News were just made for GERMAN AmigaNewspages so dont complain if there is no english page currently.
Regarding printer support in MorphOS: Problems only appearing when using parallel port printers a good solutions is a USB->parallel port adaptor (available on ebay for just 7 euro). |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 42 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 07:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
The updated parallell.device is also reported to have helped a lot of
people. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 43 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Joël EHRET on 22-Apr-2004 08:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
I've setup my printer in USB / paralell and lpr mode... it doesn't
work at all... (HP DeskJet 930C)
Si I think we should kick someone's ass :))) but whose one? |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 44 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Joël EHRET on 22-Apr-2004 08:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
I've setup my printer in USB / paralell and lpr mode... it doesn't
work at all... (HP DeskJet 930C)
Si I think we should kick someone's ass :))) but whose one? |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 45 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 22-Apr-2004 14:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
"As i said in my previous posting this News were just made for GERMAN AmigaNewspages so dont complain if there is no english page currently."
But you can surely tell us if the program is actually available or not. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 46 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by thefab on 22-Apr-2004 15:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 45 (Don Cox):
they've just posted news from new screenshots and updated feature
list, so, if you think a few seconds, you will, then, deduce than it
is not yet available. |
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| News about Papyrus Office (MorphOS) : Comment 47 of 47 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Raffaele on 23-Apr-2004 07:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Michael Garlich (TitanComputers)):
Mr. Michael Garlich wrote:
>Hello Raffaele
>
>im a bit confused which software you
> may have tested on Linux
>but cant be papyrus Office
>because its not available for Linux.
???
I clearly remember something like «Papyrus Demo» or something similar...
Must find again the CD from the newspaper where I found that installation and check again... |
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