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[News] Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development PartnerANN.lu
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HP has named Genesi a Business Development Partner. Genesi will be offering HP products with the Open Desktop Workstation and the associated server and thin client configurations based on the PegasosPPC. HP Technology Solutions and Tool and Office Template Support will be offered in conjunction with Genesi products.

Genesi Press Announcements From www.genesi.lu :

HP has named Genesi a Business Development Partner. Genesi will be offering HP products with the Open Desktop Workstation and the associated server and thin client configurations based on the PegasosPPC. HP Technology Solutions and Tool and Office Template Support will be offered in conjunction with Genesi products.

The Open Desktop Workstation is being launched by Motorola/freescale at the Smart Networks Developer Forum (SNDF) Americas 2004, April 2629, at the Hyatt Regency in Dallas, Texas.

Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 1 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 03:11 GMT
So this was the big announcement?

Well... good for genesi and perhaps good for covering Pegasos development costs.

Will HP be using MorphOS?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 2 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 22-Apr-2004 03:13 GMT
What does it mean ?
What does it bring ?
Just because typing "Genesi" on google.com brought to a hp page
doesn't mean it's a news to any of us. So where's the relevance ?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 3 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 03:52 GMT
Wow, They filled out another web form. Genesi, Ready for HP.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 4 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 03:53 GMT
Um, Where is the press release from HP about this?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 5 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 22-Apr-2004 03:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Rafo):
Having HP as a partner can be good for Genesi. Think about it. It's quite a big company who have something to say. It's good to stay in contact with ,,Real World'' instead of fightin'-in-Amiga-mud, me thinks.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 6 of 137ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Profanity
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 7 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 04:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
HP is similarly big company as Nokia, most likely bigger. Do not expect partnerships with minor companies to be announced on HP "front page", even though it's not impossible either.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 8 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 04:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
I think that currently peg box can be smaller and cooler than any Apple box.
And especially: it's cheaper. It could cost $400 per build unit when Apple box costs $2000.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 9 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 22-Apr-2004 06:07 GMT
But will this translate in sales for Genesi?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 10 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 06:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (priest):
?!?

Can you please show me a Pegasos that costs $400 that is comparable to a Mac that costs $2000?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 11 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 22-Apr-2004 06:29 GMT
HP Office Templates.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 12 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by ujb on 22-Apr-2004 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Not a compareable Apple and I guess the prices are not that drastical. 400 for a Peg a bit too less, 2000 for a Apple a bit too much.
BUT: Not everyone needs the Power of G5 ae Peg offers now for these lower cpu-power profile a good and "cheap" solution.
The G5s are cool and the price/performance ratio is not bad, but if I don't need the G5 power Apple has not much to offer since an iMac or so is not very useful to play a little server...
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 13 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 06:44 GMT
Wow, this is really great news! Roll on, Pegasos! :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 14 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Rafo):
It could surely mean a lot to Pegasos sales! :)

And please note that this really is two announcements in one, the
"Open Desktop Workstation is launched by Motorola/freescale at Smart
Networks Developer Forum"! Launched by Motorola!

:)

So this is certainly good news for us who has any interest in the
success of Pegasos (like us MorphOS users) and wants it to have a
sustainable future. :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 15 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Apr-2004 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Takemehomegranda?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 16 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 07:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Amon_Re):
Amon_Re?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 17 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Apr-2004 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
I must be missing something, i don't see any relevance with the news & that link
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 18 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
Once again you are comparing apples and oranges. In what way will
a noisy $2000+ Apple G5 be suitable as a thin client? You see, there
are many areas where low noise, low price and "enough power to do the
desired job" is more important than the latest spec's and marketing
numbers out there.

But who knows, maybe sales of this ODW concept can actually finance
the development of a Pegasos G5 motherboard, without the choked VC
money from BBRV? Genesi has since more than a year proclaimed its
ambitions to make a Pegasos G5, and that makes sense, since it would
make the Pegasos offering more complete. The Pegasos II with G3,
perfekt for usages like thin clients and home servers, with SILENT G4
(on its way with the 7447A based CPU cards) for cheap, silent but
quite powerful desktop usages (perhaps even dual G4's to make full use
of the DDR memory ;)), and a Pegasos III G5 (single or dual),
expensive (but cheaper than Apple) and noisy, but offering the
ultimate power with todays and tomorrows G5 CPU's. A whole product
family, ranging from low MHz G3's, through mid-scale G4's, to highest
power G5, each option offering it's own advantages to the customer.
All are justified.

Genesi has time after time proven their capability and competence of
designing and producing new hardware. They can surely do this. It will
take a little money, but it looks like there will be some money coming
in soon, real money, from actual sales! :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 19 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Peg2 on 22-Apr-2004 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (priest):
"Do not expect partnerships with minor companies to be announced on HP "front page", even though it's not impossible either."

Well, I don't expect anything on the frontpage, but using their search engine, there are no results for 'Genesi' nor 'genesi' nor 'pegasos' nor 'pegasosppc'...etc...etc.... (Yes, I've tried on europian mirror sites too.)
It would be nice If someone from HP would confirm this...

Anyway: what is the benefit of this 'partnership' ? Will be any MorphOS developer paid?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 20 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
The Pegasos prices we have seen at our dealers are not in any way set
in stone IMO.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 21 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Peg2):
Money can do wonders. :)

I also have a feeling that there might be more around the corner,
that we don't see quite yet! :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 22 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 07:41 GMT
LOL!!!!

It means that Genesi will be offering HP printers with their Pegasos. ;-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 23 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Yeah, a lot of hot air. The summer is coming you know ;-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 24 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Genesi is accepted as a "value partner" (or whatever it was called) by
ATI, which has opened the doors to internal documentation of ATI
hardware etc, they are recognized by IBM (the G3 and G5), and now HP
as a partner who uses their respective technologies in their products.
The Pieces of the Open Desktop Workstation puzzle is coming together,
and it will be officially launced by Motorola/freescale at the end of
this month. The ODW could really become something interesting. Let's
see in a half year of time or so.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 25 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Yeah, and all production runs of the Pegasos until then is already
sold out! :)

BTW, may this summer be as hot as the last one! :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 26 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by anon man on 22-Apr-2004 10:10 GMT
News:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=438
http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=730&si=1
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4246&forum=17
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 27 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Compareable? If it's better, isn't that enough?

You do not need 2Ghz "server" for everything.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 28 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Peg2):
"Well, I don't expect anything on the frontpage, but using their search engine, there are no results for 'Genesi' nor 'genesi' nor 'pegasos' nor 'pegasosppc'...etc...etc.... "

Same if you do the same with Amiga & Nokia. But the results are different if you use Nokia intranet search engine.

Someone @ HP could do the intranet search & spill the beans.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 29 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 22-Apr-2004 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
i would also like to see that :D:D:D:D
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 30 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 10:55 GMT
Pretty useless to us.
Amiga as a platform will not benefit anything from this.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 31 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Orc on 22-Apr-2004 10:59 GMT
Is this a subtle 'goobye MorphOS' message from Genesi themselves? maybe

do HP care about Linux? I doubt it. They bought Compaq for totally non-Linux reasons.


"A Standardized PowerPC Embedded Software Development System"

standardized? When it can come in Debian or YellowDog flavours? I guess
its standardized... its just there are MANY standards! ;-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 32 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 22-Apr-2004 11:12 GMT
From a purely personal perspective, HP is not a company I am enthusiastic about doing business with - various shenanigans have left a bad taste in my mouth.

Having said that, business is business; as others have said, it will take a little time to see if this is more than PR puffery from Genesi - I would like to think it has some substance.

Gregg
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 33 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous Orc):
> standardized? When it can come in Debian or YellowDog flavours? I guess
its standardized... its just there are MANY standards! ;-)

Standardized in the sense of CHRP, I assume.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 34 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Apr-2004 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
"Pretty useless to us.
Amiga as a platform will not benefit anything from this."

It can benefit indirectly. The more copies of MorphOS there are out there, the bigger the potential market for Amiga programmers. Most will compile for both MorphOS and AOS4 - the differences are trivial compared to the differences between Amiga OS and Windows or Linux.

That will increase the supply of software over all.

The battle is to establish the PPC-based computer as a standard product, and not just a freak board made by some tiny company in Germany/England/wherever. Anything that increases sales for either Pegasos or AmigaOne benefits both.

They are not fighting for a tiny market (existing Amiga users), but trying to get recognised as players in an enormous market (computers-for-applications).
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 35 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Don Cox):
"The more copies of MorphOS there are out there, the bigger the potential market for Amiga programmers."

Right, but are you sure this deal increases the "number of MorphOS copies"? How?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 36 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 22-Apr-2004 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Don Cox):
@Don, there are literally millions of PowerPC computers out there, they are called Macintoshes, and Linux runs on them, if you want linux for some reason.

They have rack mounts/desktops/laptops, etc.

The Genesi claim to fame, is that they haven't upgraded to G5 technology yet.
Well, while that is undoubtedly an interesting feature, (sarcasm) this 'thin client' argument made by others on this thread, is, well a bit thin...

The fact is you can buy an Apple G4, if that is absolutely what you want, and that Apple G4 1.25 (tower) is still for sale, according to apple, as long as there is demand. It is U.S. $1299 and that if far cheaper than the Pegasos II/G4 similarly equipped which is $1499 at ultraspec.us --I'm making a direct comparison here people, the Apple store and the Genesi U.S. dealer (the other u.s. dealer liberty tree, doesn't list the price).

Now, we are always supposed to believe someday in the future there will be this fantastic super product (ODW) to be released, and we can believe its much cheaper now...if we must. But the price will be the price, and we'll talk about pricing when we get there....

For TODAY though:

Fully configured Apple G4 tower (1.25ghz) : $1299
Same configuration Peg II/ G4 (1.0ghz) : $1499

that's the real truth.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 37 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 22-Apr-2004 11:45 GMT
I think we'll have to wait for the SNDF to know more...

Leo.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 38 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 22-Apr-2004 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (MarkTime):
References:

http://www.ultraspec.us/custom.html
http://www.apple.com <--you'll have to click around, the link is too long to cut and paste.

The fact is, when it gets down to actually making a purchase, from real dealers, a full working computer, the peg II, is under spec'd and $200 dollars more than the Apple machine.

The Apple one comes with a Mac OS X license and the peg II, will require you to steal the software, since Apple doesn't license OS X on non-apple hardware. Well, even if you think you are allowed to purchase the retail box and run it on the peg (u are not), but if you do that add another $100 or so to the peg's price.

The only reason people have to buy pegasos, is if they are an amigan wanting to run morphos...very few purchases have come from non-amigans.

Its about time they stop slagging this market. THe only way they are getting to that big piece of pie you keep talking about, is if they grow this market, this amiga market, to the point where volumes justify an expansion. I'm sure that local mom&pop hamburger stand would like to have 10,000 units and defeat McDonald's...but there are a few steps in between. A mom&pop hamburger stand, would first have to have a profitable hamburger stand, then they can think about opening a second one. It's the same principle here.

they cannot skip the step of growing this market...if they could skip that step, then there is really no reason for them to be in this market anyway....its obvious they can't skip that step.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 39 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (MarkTime):
Hmmm... Totally unrelated to this news item. I'm absolutely sure Apple is not suitable for HP purpose, otherwise they would not consider Pegasos.

There are a lot of small reasons that favor pegasos.


The real truth is: Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following.

Let's wait for more information & see.


btw. is IBM still going to distribute pegasos via their channels?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 40 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 12:41 GMT
Tried to search for more info ... there was Buck @ *zone...

It all did not clear things much to me. Almost as if it would be the other way around than what I originally thought: It seems that Genesi will be selling HP products...

Weird.

And it seems MOS is totally unrelated to this. (So no "Amiga-cloneNetworkNews" after all...)

(I do not dare to directly reference anything from that *zone type the secret .org etc... by yourself) :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 41 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 22-Apr-2004 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (priest):
MorphOS may not be the main attention but the what is happening are certainly the most important events up to now for Genesi and Bplan.
Genesi is a gold sponsor at the SNDF. If importants deals are made thanks to the partnerships with Motorola / IBM / HP than it would certainly have a huge impact on the Pegasos and MorphOS development.
I think it is more related news than for example Netscape Communication 2.0, the Gateway lay off or the GCC 3.4 release.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 42 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 22-Apr-2004 13:03 GMT
As far as I can see there are two announcements here:

1. ODW - a rebranding of the Pegasos, nothing to do with HP. Uses IBM or Motorola processors.
2. Some kind of agreement with HP which means Genesi gets reduced price access to HP components.

Dave.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 43 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by MelfNeerg on 22-Apr-2004 13:12 GMT
Well, as an employee of HP I have searched through all the internal news sites, etc and cannot find "Genesi" mentioned anywhere...

But then again, we are a huge company, so it could be anywhere :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 44 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 22-Apr-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (priest):
> It all did not clear things much to me. Almost as if it would be the other way
> around than what I originally thought:
> It seems that Genesi will be selling HP products...

Was this what you originally thought or the opposite? :)

I don't see many other ways to interpret "Genesi will be offering HP products with the [blah]". This doesn't seem to stop some people from entering a deleriously joyous state (as per usual in our world when there's fresh marketing to consume, regardless of whether it's free or costs $50 to read) and start imagining how Amigoid Product X will rule the industry because Industry Giant Y is involved somewhere. It still remains to be revealed if there will be something more than what Floid linked to... ;) Re. "business development partner", what exactly does this mean, and shouldn't most people here who have been around since y2k know that "partner" could mean pretty much anything from "the CEO's secretary has agreed to take our call" to "merger"?

Anyway, congrats to Genesi on making this deal, hopefully it turns out to be something Significant.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 45 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Bored on 22-Apr-2004 13:20 GMT
All talk and not action. Will this even see the light of day? Does HP know they've been duped?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 46 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 13:22 GMT
Lo'ts of empty words about IBM, HP, Motorola, Pegasos-III... I believe when I see that happen.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 47 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
>(perhaps even dual G4's to make full use of the DDR memory ;) Why not have Quad-CPU for QDR memory? ;)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 48 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Apr-2004 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (priest):
> Tried to search for more info ... there was Buck @ *zone...

Yes I saw it too:

"At SNDF the ODW will be launched as a "A Standardized PowerPC Embedded Software Development System." This is where Motorola/freescale has carved out a market niche with the G4 -- the embedded system market. From there we will head to the broader market and a PowerPC Linux Desktop solution.

Dave, Matt, Thomas and Sven all arrived in Dallas Tuesday. Raquel and I and Thomas and Gerald arrive Friday. Paul gets in today. Thomas and Sven will provide training to Motorola/freescale today in Austin. Things are moving. By the end of this month, the Open Desktop Workstation will be in use in Motorola offices in the USA, UK, Finland, Taiwan and Japan and an active sales and market development program will begin.

This all coincides with this announcement yesterday:

http://www.genesi.lu/press_20040421.php

Are you beginning to see how this all fits together?

HP is one of the largest IT companies in the world and for them to agree to partner with us in the PowerPC and Linux environment is something that makes Genesi unique. This also highlights the advantage of our OpenFirmware.

Beyond the credibilty HP brings us, it also enables Genesi to obtain attractive pricing on HP products so the we can provide our customers a total solution for their system needs with solid margins.

Once we get this properly organized we will create a new class of Genesi/Pegasos Reseller who will partner with us and Motorola/freescale to provide not only system solutions, but the training and support required. This is where Pegasos Academy fits in! :-D

Of course, we still have MorphOS in mind too (but, that is another story!)... ;-)

R&B :-)"



> It all did not clear things much to me. Almost as if it would be the other
> way around than what I originally thought

I don't know what you originally thought, or why (;-)), but here is my view on things: Genesi is putting together a product called "Open Desktop Workstation" (http://www.pegasosppc.com/odw.php), and they are collecting support from several big players in the industry for this. HP is one of the leaders in their field, and now it looks like Genesi has secured a deal (a good deal for both, hopefully) for HP technology/products to be sold together with this workstation. This could make the product more complete, and more attractive. What other benefits that might come out of this partnership remains to be seen.


> (I do not dare to directly reference anything from that *zone type the
> secret .org etc... by yourself) :)

Yeah, one has to be careful to not speak out anything morphzone.org, morphos-news.de, or moo-bunny here these days ...
;-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 49 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 22-Apr-2004 13:37 GMT
Almost anyone can now build a Pegasos board. The Pegasos is meant to be an OPEN architecture.

Apple's tech, be it better, more up to date, cheaper in some cases, is CLOSED.

That is THE difference. That's maybe why some companies like Motorola,... may be interested in the Pegasos.

Again, we should learn more after the SNDF (actually I hope so) !

Leo.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
>It means that Genesi will be offering HP printers with their Pegasos. ;-) No, it means HP's blue ink will be labelled "powered by MorphOS" ink and everytest print with HP printers will feature a blue MOS butterfly logo. ;)
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