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Posted on 22-Apr-2004 04:31 GMT by JKD137 comments
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HP has named Genesi a Business Development Partner. Genesi will be offering HP products with the Open Desktop Workstation and the associated server and thin client configurations based on the PegasosPPC. HP Technology Solutions and Tool and Office Template Support will be offered in conjunction with Genesi products.

Genesi Press Announcements From www.genesi.lu :

HP has named Genesi a Business Development Partner. Genesi will be offering HP products with the Open Desktop Workstation and the associated server and thin client configurations based on the PegasosPPC. HP Technology Solutions and Tool and Office Template Support will be offered in conjunction with Genesi products.

The Open Desktop Workstation is being launched by Motorola/freescale at the Smart Networks Developer Forum (SNDF) Americas 2004, April 26–29, at the Hyatt Regency in Dallas, Texas.

Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 101 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 22-Apr-2004 20:55 GMT
101st post!
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 102 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Ah, Money. the one of the many things Genesi doens't have!
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 103 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Gregg):
"PR puffery", I like that. It's like when you watch those nature videos where the small defenceless critter fluffs up its fur, feather, body to make it seem bigger and more threatening to scare off the larger predator.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 104 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 22-Apr-2004 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Anonymous):
You must be their accountant then? ;-)

Steve

Sorry...feeding the trolls :D
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 105 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by .jon on 22-Apr-2004 23:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (priest):
Are you at NOKIA ?

They once had a website up concerning development of MHP with Mozilla. This was for their (announced but cancelled ?) STB.

The site has gone. I can't find it on Web-Archive.

Do you have access to it ? I need the stuff. It was something like OpenMHPdev or so.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 106 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Apr-2004 00:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Anonymous):
> Ah, Money. the one of the many things Genesi doens't have!

Who does?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 107 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Apr-2004 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (T_Bone):
"> Ah, Money. the one of the many things Genesi doens't have!

Who does?"

Microsoft and Apple.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 108 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 05:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Don Cox):
And in a year, HP will be sued because they haven't honnored a thing or another, and bbrv will claim HP intelluctual properties, as for example, the ipaq code source or the cd burners intellectual properties;)

Sad news for HP. They don't know who they are facing.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 109 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Apr-2004 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anonymous Orc):
"fortunately there are several thousand more A1 units in the hands of
not-so-diehards ;-) "

Forgive me if I do not believe untill I see some evidence. (yeah, even though I'm red priest)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 110 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 23-Apr-2004 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (itix):
> Here Apple G4 tower costs 1500 euro (it probably includes Finnish VAT, not sure
> because price is from store.apple.com) when equivalent PegII 1GHz system @
> Vesalia costs ~900 euro and with Finnish 25% VAT still less than 1200 euro.

Hi! FYI, since Finland and Germany are both of the EU, if you pay VAT in one of those states, you don't have to add the other one anymore. This means that, since Vesalia prices usually include German VAT at 16%, you can quote the price directly. If you are really willing to pay Finnish VAT, you are entitled to be discounted the German VAT, IIRC, ending up paying less than 1000 Euro anyway. Of course, in case anyone knows it better, feel free to correct me.
OTOH, with the new prices, eMacs are tougher competitors, even here in Italy - until now the Peg2 had some price advantages.

Kind regards,
Andrea
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 111 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Apr-2004 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Yee Ha!):
"So far there's absolutely no difference with, say, Amiga's Nokia announcement."

I'm being picky but yes there are.
It has been proved also from Nokia side that the deal existed.

I think HP side of this Genesi story is not yet confirmed or is it?

Also the deal with Nokia was that Nokia integrates AA player in ever MediaTerminal to be sold. Meaning that a multibillion dollar company would have been USING Amiga product. etc... etc... But never mind. It's all lost now.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 112 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Apr-2004 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (.jon):
>Are you at NOKIA ?

Yep. (I'm currently having a day off)

>They once had a website up concerning development of MHP with Mozilla. This was for their (announced but cancelled ?) STB.
>The site has gone. I can't find it on Web-Archive.

I think the official developer site was taken down about year ago.

>Do you have access to it ? I need the stuff. It was something like OpenMHPdev or so.

I can try to check out the status. (I can not do any search now)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 113 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 23-Apr-2004 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (itix):
Last time I checked, it where not possible to run example OpenGL applications whit hardware acceleration inn mol, booting up Linux to run MacOSX is bit backswords, thinking about memory requirements of MacOSX on top of Linux X-Windows requirements, when you run Linux you should have 512Mb ram, if you like it smooth, and the same goes for MacOSX I expect, now you need to upgrade your computer to 1024mb to get most out of MacOSX on MOL/Linux, maybe I over estimate a bit, as MacOSX can run 256mb and that can Linux to, minimum requirements 512mb.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 114 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Artur "APair" Pietruk on 23-Apr-2004 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (priest):
> "Well, I don't expect anything on the frontpage, but using their search engine,
> there are no results for 'Genesi' nor 'genesi' nor 'pegasos' nor
> 'pegasosppc'...etc...etc.... "
>
> Same if you do the same with Amiga & Nokia. But the results are different if you
> use Nokia intranet search engine.
>
> Someone @ HP could do the intranet search & spill the beans.

So the search yields "Your original search: genesi returned zero results" ;-). Not that it means anything then. It just means there are no results found.

--
--- Artur Pietruk
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 115 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Apr-2004 11:07 GMT
Here's a Swedish comparison. It's a bit difficult to make since the
machines are quite different.

eMac from www.apple.se:

1,25GHz G4
256MB DDR SDRAM
DVD/CD-RW
ATI Radeon 9200 (32MB)
40GB UATA HD
Internal modem
Internal 100Mbit ethernet
Two firewire ports
Three USB ports
"Prepared for AirPort Extreme" (I don't know what this means)
17" TFT
Comes in a CRT-shaped case.

Price: 8295 SEK


Peg2 from www.ggsdata.se:

1GHz G4
256MB DDR SDRAM
DVD/CD-RW
ATI Radeon 9200SE (128MB)
82GB SATA HD
Internal 100Mbit network card
Internal GigE network card (no drivers yet)
Two Firewire ports
Three USB ports
AGP slot
Three PCI slots
S/PDIF connector
Line out/Line in/Mic connectors
Serial/Parallel/Gameport connectors
Standard PS2 connectors for mouse+keyboard
Four ATA connectors
Floppy connector
Floppy disk drive
IRDA (no drivers?)
Comes in a small desktop-case
No monitor

Price: 8499 SEK


So.. price is virtually the same.

Main differences:
- Mac has 25% faster CPU
- Peg has faster GFX card with more memory
- Mac includes a monitor.
- Peg has larger hard drive.
- Peg has many, many more connectors and is generally reconfigurable
and upgradable, while the Mac is pretty much like it is - you're not
supposed to open it.


I think that if you're comparing prices, it's a bit like this:

- If this is your first computer, and you want a "complete package",
then the Mac is a bit cheaper. However, if this is your first
computer, you probably want a Mac rather than Linux/MorphOS anyway.

- If you already have bits and pieces like hard drives, monitors,
graphics cards, floppy drives, cables, ATX cases etc - then the Peg2
can save you money.

- If you want to buy a machine now and use it for years until it
breaks, and you don't want to care about it in the meantime, the Mac
is a somewhat cheaper alternative.

- If you think your machine needs upgrades in a year or two, adding
more HD space, a new gfx card or a faster CPU, then the Peg2 will be
cheaper in the long run.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 116 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Apr-2004 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Johan Rönnblom):
Hmm, I missed that both machines have keyboard, mouse and speakers
(internal, as everything else, for the Mac, external for the Peg).
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 117 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Apr-2004 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (kjetil):
The reason you were moderated was for : Abusive language, excessive swear words.
Plus you should re-read your posts as most of the time we don't understand them.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 118 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Johan Rönnblom):
Main differences:
- Mac has 25% faster CPU
- Peg has faster GFX card with more memory
- Mac includes a monitor.
- Peg has larger hard drive.
- Peg has many, many more connectors and is generally reconfigurable
and upgradable, while the Mac is pretty much like it is - you're not
supposed to open it.

Ouch, but you forgot one really important thing:

- The quality and quantity of software available for imac can't be compared to those running on Mos (or even OS4). With all the respect I can have for bedroom coders, The mac world is far more advanced an pro. And the OO is finished, not like OS4 and not like Peg who still need important parts.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 119 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christian on 23-Apr-2004 11:49 GMT
Actually, the Radeon 9200SE is SLOWER compared to the Radeon 9200. So the Peg has more memory on its graphics card, but in normal use it doesn't matter; it really only matters to games.

-Christian
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 120 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Apr-2004 11:57 GMT
I think it is pointless to compare the Pegasos and the Mac.
The Pegasos does not compete yet on the Desktop market.
If it would we would see thousands of new users.

The Pegasos is either a desktop solution for people used to AmigaOS or an inexpensive PPC platform.
Being an inexpensive PPC platform is what may be the Pegasos success.
If a company needs to use a PPC platform they may better have a deal with Genesi to order xxxxx boards than having to deal with Apple.
Apple is selling Desktop / end user solutions.
Genesi would eventualy make a new design just for a specific customer need if required, Genesi can work with several OS, Genesi can have cheaper G3s. Apple does not have this flexibility.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 121 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Apr-2004 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Anonymous):
anon: Well, as someone already pointed out, if you mainly want to use
MacOS then you're hardly going to buy a Peg with Mac-On-Linux (today,
in fact this *could* change!). On the other hand, if you mainly want
to use MorphOS, the Mac is obviously not an option. So the only case
where a comparison is relevant is for someone who wants to run PPC
Linux. And in this case, I think the Peg2 fares pretty well. In fact,
you should rather add the advantage for the Peg that Linux is actively
supported by the HW manufacturers, rather than fought against.


Christian: Oops, my mistake there. Well, you can get a non-SE from
ggsdata too, I don't think there's a noticable price difference. Only
problem is it doesn't fit in the small desktop case which means a
somewhat more expensive case which is larger (with more room for
expansion, of course) and thus even harder to compare with the Mac.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 122 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Christophe Decanini):
That wouldn't help much as he suffers from both dyslexia and terrible english...

He evidently runs a spell-checker on his posts, which is why the words are actual words, just not in any way related to what he's talking about (otter computers).

Kjetil:
I'm not trying to be a bitch here, ok? It's just that it's REALLY hard to read your posts.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 123 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Christophe Decanini):
I doubt a lot of companies NEEDS ppc if they're not using applications coded for either AIX or Mac OS.

But if they have people who LIKE ppc for some reason or another, they could very well choose a Peg over a Mac. But NEEDING ppc if you're running Linux/BSD? Hardly. Too much of Linux is written for little-endian systems for that to make sense (filesystems etc). Big-endian often means performance-penalties because of this. Not a lot, but noticable.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 124 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 23-Apr-2004 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Christophe Decanini):
>You have a desktop end user point of view.
>The people attending at SNDF are neither looking for a desktop solution nor for >an x86 based solution.

unfotunatly genesi does not seem to have any non desktop solutions.. ;)
where is a set top box or adsl modem prototypes using powerpc? no just an obsolete desktop machine with a g3 .. :(
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 125 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 23-Apr-2004 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Ole-Egil):
True,

I'm not trying to be a bitch here, ok? It's just that it's REALLY hard to read your posts.

I know, if only spent more time on the post then probelay can formulate the wordings differently anyhow, just nice to know where the line goes, some times when I having trouble i try to avoid the issue, using different words, or by oversimplifying.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 126 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Apr-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Ole-Egil):
It looks like companies such as Terrasoft have been selling Linux PPC solutions for a while including products that are not from Apple.
Plus there are several other OS than Linux, PPC is popular for communications.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 127 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Apr-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (cheesegrate):
I think that one of Genesi force is to be able to make a custom design on demand for customers.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 128 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by T1k on 23-Apr-2004 16:16 GMT
Seems to me that some ppl around here are very nervous that things will turn out good for Genesi and the Pegasos community.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 129 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (T1k):
Sure, and the door swings both ways !
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 130 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Apr-2004 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Ole-Egil):
Nobody "suffers" from dyslexia... I *am* dyslectic and I don't think I have a
problem posting in English (while you certainly wouldn't like any Greek posts of
me, I suck).
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 131 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Dresing, PhD. on 24-Apr-2004 00:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (cheesegrate):
@cheesegrate

You are good with making up emails. You should send some interesting emails to information@kmos.com
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 132 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 24-Apr-2004 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Maybe you do have the same degree of dyslectic as me,
I there only where an edit feature then correct, many of my own posts, the problems is when I tiered my focus becomes one one single word, I louse sight of the text it self, it's a bit trying to read small text when you are being drunk, I simply do not allways Se that what I type is correct allways at first, nor is English an natural written language of choice, Ole-Egil know how big of a problem it's he as seen my written norwagian.

One question do you have problem whit math? Meny dyslectic's have this problem as well, I don't, thank good.

Some times I read true the text 2 or 3 times before i post, some times I don't.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 133 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Apr-2004 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (kjetil):
"Maybe you do have the same degree of dyslectic as me,"

Personally, I respect Kjetil's courage in posting here regularly in spite of unhelpful comments and insults.

It isn't all that hard to work out what he means.

As for the politically correct stuff about not "suffering" from dyslexia, surely if a guy finds it 100 times harder to write a simple message than I do, and then gets criticised all the time for his trouble, he is suffering. There are worse disabilities, but it is certainly a disability.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 134 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 24-Apr-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Anonymous):
So how do you like you Mac? ;)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 135 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Apr-2004 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (kjetil):
No, I don't have a problem with maths.
The problems I face are lack of concentration and problems when reading and
writing complex languages, like Greek.
I don't have a problem in English, simply because the syntax is straight-forward.

BTW, I do not agree that your posts are not readable. I might nitpick sometimes
but that's a different story.

I'll give you a small tip. Make a small list with the most important words you
misspell and consult it when you post for a week at most. After that, you shouldn't face a problem with them again. It worked with me (in Greek) at least.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 136 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Apr-2004 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
1)
In English i replace 'e' and 'a' think this is due to being norwagian I think.

2)
I use dubbele letteren when I shoud use one,
(ispell inn linux do not think of this, nor will it orginize the most used words on the top of search result)

3)
Not so common words, and longer words I have truble spelling,

4)
I some times strike the wrong keys,
leving out letters at the end.

5)
As a kid I used to mixup 'b' and 'd', I don't do this any more.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 137 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Apr-2004 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Kjetil):
3)
Not so common words, and longer words I have truble spelling,

I still have that problem in Greek.

> 4)
> I some times strike the wrong keys,
> leving out letters at the end.

I don't have that problem anymore but I still do it when writing (not typing)
Greek.

> 5)
> As a kid I used to mixup 'b' and 'd', I don't do this any more.

I used to mix up the Greek versions of the same letters, pronounced v and th
(as in the) but it's "fixed" now.

People are usually surprised by the fact that I have no problem in English while
I fuck up my mother tongue.
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