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[News] Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development PartnerANN.lu
Posted on 22-Apr-2004 04:31 GMT by JKD137 comments
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HP has named Genesi a Business Development Partner. Genesi will be offering HP products with the Open Desktop Workstation and the associated server and thin client configurations based on the PegasosPPC. HP Technology Solutions and Tool and Office Template Support will be offered in conjunction with Genesi products.

Genesi Press Announcements From www.genesi.lu :

HP has named Genesi a Business Development Partner. Genesi will be offering HP products with the Open Desktop Workstation and the associated server and thin client configurations based on the PegasosPPC. HP Technology Solutions and Tool and Office Template Support will be offered in conjunction with Genesi products.

The Open Desktop Workstation is being launched by Motorola/freescale at the Smart Networks Developer Forum (SNDF) Americas 2004, April 26–29, at the Hyatt Regency in Dallas, Texas.

Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 51 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Apr-2004 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Christophe Decanini):
> MorphOS may not be the main attention but the what is happening are certainly
> the most important events up to now for Genesi and Bplan.

This is what I believe too. The more sales, the marrier! :-)


> Genesi is a gold sponsor at the SNDF. If importants deals are made thanks to
> the partnerships with Motorola / IBM / HP than it would certainly have a huge
> impact on the Pegasos and MorphOS development.

It will be very interesting to see what the concrete results from this will be. I guess we will know, in time, but it looks kind of promising to me ...
:-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 52 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Apr-2004 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
> Lo'ts of empty words about IBM, HP, Motorola, Pegasos-III... I believe when I
> see that happen.

Some people said that about the Pegasos 1 as well. I myself always believed in the Pegasos 1 G3, the April 1, the April 2, the Pegasos 1 G4, the Pegasos II G3 and the Pegasos II G4; and I saw it happen!
:-D
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 53 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 22-Apr-2004 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (MarkTime):
For TODAY though: Fully configured Apple G4 tower (1.25ghz) : $1299Same configuration Peg II/ G4 (1.0ghz) : $1499 that's the real truth. From Apple Store I can buy (fully configured) Apple G4 tower for 1450 euros when a single PegII 1GHz motherboard is 600 euro (www.vesalia de). (I don't know if there are cheaper G4 towers, but could not find better deal right now.)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 54 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (MarkTime):
Bla bla.Apple is Apple and Pegasos is a licenseable board design with no stupid EULAmake-the-customer-a-criminal stuff as you described.Drive the numbers up and it will even become cheaper, enable Gigabit Ethernetetc. - you already can buy a standard Pegasos G3 computer system for less than600EUR shipped and with VAT in Germany, I guess there will be more dealers inUSA soon that don't demand prices higher than Apple...
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 55 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 22-Apr-2004 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Leo):
OpenBSD didn't find it so Open. Regardless of whether its Genesi's fault or not be careful in which geographical territory you make the "open" claim.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 56 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 22-Apr-2004 14:03 GMT
From BBRV:

"Beyond the credibilty HP brings us, it also enables Genesi to obtain attractive pricing on HP products so the we can provide our customers a total solution for their system needs with solid margins. "


Gee...I wonder if I contacted HP and asked if I could sell their products 'for them' if they would let me?
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 57 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 22-Apr-2004 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (DaveP):
Yeah, GigE was behind NDA. I don't know any other openness problems.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 58 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 22-Apr-2004 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (DaveP):
OpenBSD found a Sun "not so open" as well, despite the fact that you can even license the CPU architecture.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 59 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 22-Apr-2004 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
>>>>Bla bla.
Apple is Apple and Pegasos is a licenseable board design with no stupid EULA
make-the-customer-a-criminal stuff as you described.<<<<<

A licenseable board design? We are getting ahead of things now! How can you do anything with the design if you can't get full docs? You forget the problems the BSD port had!

lol
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 60 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Apr-2004 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
> Apple is Apple and Pegasos is a licenseable board design with no stupid EULA
>make-the-customer-a-criminal stuff as you described.
ehhh? I DON'T THINK THAT AFFECTS MY COMPUTER CHOICE, a mac is better value full stop, i don't think the pegasos in comparison to apple is attractive till they build a g5 version with 800mhx fsb... sorry.
plus you can buy second hand g4 for a lot less than the pegasos...linux ppc is not as good as x86, so why buy the peg when you could have mos on the mac instead?
>pegasos g3 blah blah
the g3 is a processor that has been obsolete for desktop usage for a fair few years now.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 61 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 22-Apr-2004 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (MarkTime):
> Well, even if you think you are allowed to purchase the retail box and run > it on the peg (u are not), You are. That Apple doesn't endorse it is irrelevant.> but if you do that add another $100 or so to the peg's price.At least that is true.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 62 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Interestimating on 22-Apr-2004 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Interesting):
Yeah, I have completely forgot, can you
please tell me what the problems where, those that will
not make licensing of the pegasos board possible ??
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 63 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Apr-2004 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (takemehomegrandma):
Ok, thanks. It starts to become clear.

Genesi is indicating that they try to build a IBM PC#2.
Big players might see it as a new legacy free alternative to the x86 IBM PC.

If it succeeds it surely would mean that KMOS has a new potentially better target platform than 1000-2000 A1 units on the hands of Amiga diehards...
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 64 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 22-Apr-2004 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Agima):
Well, it seemed carefully worded enough to me:

"HP *has named* Genesi as Business Development Partner..."

Not "Genesi has decided to becoma a reseller or distributor of HP products..."

Apart from what the press announcement says I have no more news than anyone else.

There are always projects out there that do not involve Windows, x86, mac, whatever....so when a development house looks for a system or a vendor lookign for a platform it's kind of nice to see things like endorsements from larger companies since "Who the f**k is Genesi applies as much as Omega what"

Steve
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 65 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 22-Apr-2004 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (cheesegrate):
You have a desktop end user point of view.
The people attending at SNDF are neither looking for a desktop solution nor for an x86 based solution.
It is the good place to be to find customers and partners.
Having partnerships with Motorola, IBM, HP gives you more chance to reach these customers.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 66 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 22-Apr-2004 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (JKD):
>>HP *has named*

But no one can find any thing showing where HP 'has' done anything regarding Genesi. Including 'Naming' them as a partner.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 67 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Apr-2004 14:50 GMT
This is how it needs to be done.. sign a deal -> announce a pressrelease


Not like some others.. make a deal, wait a year.. and then fucking even the pressrelease up by leaking it out before it was meant to be released...
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 68 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 22-Apr-2004 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Agima):
No arguement there...I haven't looked either. I heared the news and I posted...irresponsible? Maybe...but I answer to no-one but me so it doesn't really matter.

HP get really pissy when you use their name without authorization (company I work for was a major HP service partner but they were really guarded about us using their name and you don't even want to read the paragraphs on liability, indemnity etc.)

Steve
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 69 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 22-Apr-2004 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (hooligan/dcs):
The "leaked" press release was not authentic.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 70 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 15:01 GMT
Let's wait to see HP press release.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 71 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Apr-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (DaveP):
Authentic or not, it was 95% the same as the official one :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 72 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 15:06 GMT
Sounds very much like many announcements Amiga Inc. made, let's see how it works out first.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 73 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
> there are many areas where low noise, low price and "enough power to do the
> desired job" is more important than the latest spec's and marketing
> numbers out there.

Yes, Amiga and Hyperion have been talking about this forever, hardly news at all.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 74 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Agima):
I like this part "Things are moving. By the end of this month, the
Open Desktop Workstation will be in use in Motorola offices in the
USA, UK, Finland, Taiwan and Japan and an active sales and market
development program will begin".

This is probably exactly what Motorola needs for their G4 processor's,
a high quality, open, development platform to offer their customers.
Have they ever had one?

It will be nice to see the next generation G4's on the Pegasos! Genesi
had the 7447A in hose already half a year ago (it still isn't
available to regular customers?), and this will make the Pegasos G4
truly silent! :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 75 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Anonymous):
Some talk, others do. Besides, any Articia based motherboard would not
make it more than a month outside this little world of fanatics.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 76 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Yee Ha! on 22-Apr-2004 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (hooligan/dcs):
You're funny. So far we have only the word of Genesi, and no sign of a signed contract or announcement from HP. Of course you apply different standards depending on who makes the announcement. So far there's absolutely no difference with, say, Amiga's Nokia announcement.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 77 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Interesting on 22-Apr-2004 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Yee Ha!):
>>>You're funny. So far we have only the word of Genesi, and no sign of a signed contract or announcement from HP. Of course you apply different standards depending on who makes the announcement. So far there's absolutely no difference with, say, Amiga's Nokia announcement.<<<<

The Brass from HP is here in Vegas for NAB.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 78 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 22-Apr-2004 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
'Open' in the sense that the hardware vendor actively supports it = no but Linux runs quite happily on Apple machines, so an 'open source' PowerPC development base has been avaialble for as long as LinuxPPC right?

Microsoft seem to think that Apple boxes make nice dev platforms ;-)

We know that one part of the Pegasos II is under NDA (from Marvell) which is an obstacle .... however minute....but the answer is live without GigE or sign an NDA = hardly a dealbreaker for commercial solution.

As all hardware vendors do, Genesi and bPlan are trying to open up avenues where there hardware is relevant (STB, ODW etc.) and create markets (e.g. Amiga PowerPC compatible ;-) )

Steve
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 79 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Apr-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Yee Ha!):
>You're funny

I know

>So far we have only the word of Genesi, and no sign of a signed contract or announcement from HP

Yep.

>Of course you apply different standards depending on who makes the announcement. So far there's absolutely no difference with, say, Amiga's Nokia announcement.

yep, there isn't.


What is the problem here? We agree on all three accounts.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 80 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 22-Apr-2004 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Funding is just around the corner! Opps - wrong company.

Congrats to Genesi.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 81 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 22-Apr-2004 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (JKD):
"We know that one part of the Pegasos II is under NDA (from Marvell) which is an obstacle .... "

It is not if the OF has an abstraction layer that give you access to the chip.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 82 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (JKD):
This is not only about open source software, and you don't see a lot
of OEM manufacturers of Apple computers, right? Apple is a closed
architecture, full of eulas and shit, and this can't be compared to
that! So please forget about Apple if you are interested in anything
else than running Apple applications on Apple's OS from 9 to 5 (or
some Linux distro). Mac's can't be used for much else. This is
different and quite unique, and it's good for both for PPC hardware
development and PPC software development, NON MacHW, NON MacOS10, NON
Apple authorized OS vendors like Terrasoft. No boundries!
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 83 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 22-Apr-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Rich Woods):
>>Congrats to Genesi.

Yeah, 5000 congrats from me too :)

http://ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1049810851&category=news&number=7#comment


Should be shipping any moment now :)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 84 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Apr-2004 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (JKD):
> We know that one part of the Pegasos II is under NDA (from Marvell) which is
> an obstacle

So what is preventing Genesi/Marvell from compiling those binaries themselves for various OS's and distribute those? I'm sorry, but I don't see much of an "obstacle" there. The OpenBSD "thing" was not caused by this, not this alone at least.

I am sure we will see Gigabit Ethernet in all Pegasos OS's in a close future.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 85 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Apr-2004 16:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Yee Ha!):
> no sign of a signed contract or announcement from HP

Perhaps you are reading too much into this, when hoping that HP will come running in public and show "contracts" and such (Yee Ha! we have a contract with Genesi, look, look!), or put some big announcement on their main page?

This could be great news for Genesi since the HP products (hopefully at a good deal for Genesi) can make the ODW offering more complete, but please don't read much more into this than there are ...!
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 86 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 22-Apr-2004 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Agima):
Maybe that should have been 10,000 congrats I forgot about the other 5000 Peg's that'll be shipping anytime now...

http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3859


...Sorry for being an @ss, just a little weary of "BIG" announcments like these.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 87 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Apr-2004 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Agima):
> Should be shipping any moment now :)

Who knows, maybe they will! ;-)

Well, both you and me knows the reasons to the slow down of plans; the Articia problems, and then the cash flow problems because of the Pretory mess. But at least we got the Pegasos II, right? The STB motherboards perhaps didn't become real, at least not at that point, but this "Open Desktop Workstation" is based on the *Pegasos II* which is really tangible! And who knows what might follow if this becomes a success? STB designs? A G5 Pegasos3? A 1GHz G4 handheld? Genesi has proven their capabilities when it comes to designing hardware, and when a solid revenue stream comes, who knows what new projects they will engage in?
:-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 88 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Apr-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Agima):
I actually wouldn't be very surprised if those 5000 Pegasos motherboards has already been reached. Or at least will be before this summer. This Motorola thing could be a good thing! I think 5000 boards is "nothing"!
:-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 89 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 22-Apr-2004 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (takemehomegrandma):
>>I actually wouldn't be very surprised if those 5000 Pegasos motherboards has already been reached.

Uh huh. ;)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 90 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Orc on 22-Apr-2004 18:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (priest):
>If it succeeds it surely would mean that KMOS has a new potentially better >target platform than 1000-2000 A1 units on the hands of Amiga diehards...

fortunately there are several thousand more A1 units in the hands of
not-so-diehards ;-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 91 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Orc on 22-Apr-2004 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
>Genesi had the 7447A in hose already half a year ago

they hosed their other designs too ;-)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 92 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 22-Apr-2004 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Christophe Decanini):
I wonder what IBM think about this HP being inn competition whit IBM printer market back inn the days before Lexmark, now they are working whit one of there allies inn PPC technology, history is strange is it not.

PS. What part of the post made my post valid to remove? selection of words, or my condemning of bbrv not being a partner one can count on? I know CK will not remove post even it they use words that are bogus language, if has a real meaning, no need to restore my post, as I know it's not where good.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 93 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 22-Apr-2004 18:53 GMT
Well done for them. I hope that it proves successful for them.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 94 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 22-Apr-2004 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (itix):
you just compared a fully configured machine to a motherboard....I purposely compared two fully figured machines, and gave references.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 95 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 22-Apr-2004 19:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (MarkTime):
evidentally some of you can't click around at the apple store....so for those unwilling to surf...here is the comparison....I'm comparing U.S. dollars and dealers, cause thats where I live....just because you live somewhere else, isn't a good excuse to compare the whole computer to the price of the pegasos motherboard alone...but I can't stop you.

The Apple G4 -- at the Apple Store http://www.apple.com

$1,299.00
1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive -DVD Rom/CD-RW
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS X 10.3 included

A pegasos II @ From http://www.ultraspec.us

$1495
Pegasos II Mainboard and Motorola G4 Processor @ 1Ghz
ATI Radeon 9200
40GB Hard Disk Drive
256MB (DDR400) PC3200 RAM
Standard CDRW drive
MorphOS 1.4 pre-installed

slight differences in parts, maybe a better graphics card on the peg bundle, but also a better removable media/hd size/ and cpu speed on the apple. Roughly equivalent as these things go.


I just like to occasionally pull things out of the nappy-time dream world
of the AD&D, get a girlfriend real-soon now dream world of the nerd legions...
and see how things are actually going in the real world.

Our here in the real world...Apple is much cheaper/faster/nicer looking and generally stomps the pegasos.

However, the Apple doesn't run MorphOS, which is the reason this group
considers the pegasos as seriously as one does apple, if not more so...
and that is legitimate.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 96 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 22-Apr-2004 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (MarkTime):
"Our here in the real world...Apple is much cheaper/faster/nicer looking and generally stomps the pegasos." Well... not my fault you are living there :-P Here Apple G4 tower costs 1500 euro (it probably includes Finnish VAT, not sure because price is from store.apple.com) when equivalent PegII 1GHz system @ Vesalia costs ~900 euro and with Finnish 25% VAT still less than 1200 euro. But Apple is still faster and nicer of course, just not cheaper. (Though you get OSX and helpdesk service with your Apple G4 tower, and no tinkering with Linux...)
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 97 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 22-Apr-2004 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (itix):
But really I can't imagine would buy a Pegasos to run OSX only. Even if you could get Peg for less money there are many advantages in the "native" hardware.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 98 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2004 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (MarkTime):
It is pointless to compare the Pegasos to Mac's in this context
because the Mac's are utter useless to major parts of this particular
target audience.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 99 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 22-Apr-2004 20:42 GMT
Seems to be a standard business relationship in regards to HP's Office templates.
Genesi named Hewlett-Packard (HP) Business Development Partner : Comment 100 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 22-Apr-2004 20:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (hammer):
Addendum;
There are hundreds of other value adding companies that utilize HP’s technology solutions and office templates to end users.
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