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| Posted on 23-Apr-2004 09:36 GMT by takemehomegrandma | 60 comments
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In a Press Release, Genesi announces a new CPU card for the Pegasos II computers. It will be based on the upcoming IBM 750 GX CPU and will carry the licensed PPC trademark. It will be used in new Pegasos II computers, but it will also be sold separately to current Pegasos II owners.
From the Press Release:
23-Apr-2004.
IBM has licensed Genesi with the PowerPC® logo, as seen above, for Genesi products containing one or more IBM PowerPC 750 Processors, including the 750CXe, 750FX and the 750GX.
Genesi will extend the current product range of the Pegasos II using the recently released IBM G3 GX. This new product will be sold in a motherboard and CPU card package, as a single card for existing Pegasos II owners, and featured in the Open Desktop Workstation (ODW GX).
http://www.genesi.lu/press_20040423.php
About the IBM 750 GX CPU:
The IBM® PowerPC® 750GX microprocessor is the fastest and newest addition to the IBM 7xx PowerPC microprocessor family. The 750GX expands the capabilities of the IBM PowerPC 7xx processor family to support more performance-demanding and power-sensitive applications. The 750GX is architecturally based on the PowerPC 750FX processor, and implements several enhancements that address the performance requirements of embedded applications. Running at frequencies up to 1.1 GHz, the 750GX includes 1 MB of internal L2 cache, 4-way set-associative, running at core frequency with cache locking by way, additional L1 and L2 cache buffers allowing pipelining of up to four data cache miss operations, and the capability for up to 200-MHz operation of the 60x system bus interface with additional bus pipelining. The IBM PowerPC 750GX is ideally suited for a variety of systems, including networking, communications, storage, imaging, computing and consumer applications.
Read more about this processor at:
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/products/PowerPC_750GX_Microprocessor
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 1 of 60 | ANN.lu |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Apr-2004 07:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
/me changes the channel & watches "The Bold & The Beautifull"... ;)
Cheers |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 3 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ujb on 23-Apr-2004 07:59 GMT | Nice...
Next questions: Which clockrate, what price, available when? |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 4 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Apr-2004 08:12 GMT | "/me changes the channel & watches "The Bold & The Beautifull"... ;)"
The two old chaps from the Muppet Show pops to my mind :) The question is, what is a mahnamahna? The question is, who cares?
It was a very very insightful and useful reply from you :) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 6 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Apr-2004 08:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 4 (Emeric SH):
Hey, the "stay tuned" comment was begging for it :P
Anyways, i'll be lurking arround :) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 7 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Apr-2004 08:46 GMT | | It's nice to see that both the G4 and the G3 line keeps up with the technology available. It'd be even more nice to see G5 to be added to the product range :) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 8 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 23-Apr-2004 08:49 GMT | Now this is interesting. It's the G3 (Mac speak) CPU class, right?
G3s running at 1.1GHz, is very good. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 9 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by tokai on 23-Apr-2004 08:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (Emeric SH):
why everyone wants always a G5? It's not that super-cpu like the Apple marketing tries to make us believe.
regards,
tokai
(who likes his G3, G4 and 68k based computers) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 10 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Apr-2004 08:52 GMT | "why everyone wants always a G5? It's not that super-cpu like the Apple marketing tries to make us believe."
Come on, you're tempted as well :) And you're right, the largest impact today would be on the marketing, as even a G3 is enough for the usual Pegasos user needs. But never underestimate the marketing. That's what sells things, you know. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 11 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kjetil on 23-Apr-2004 09:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (tokai):
Inn my option G5 is supper CPU, it’s 64bit CPU able to move double amount data, better at flout calculation, able to address lager amount of memory, etc. etc.
The question remains, is better then other 64bit CPU’s? Maybe not,
Is better then a 32bit CPU? Yes.
Do 32bit application benefit from 64bit? Maybe not.
We need 64bit OS’s and programs to able to use 64bit advantages, and we are not there yet. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 12 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 10:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Ronald St-Maurice):
And this baby has 1MB of L2 cache (!) and a 200MHz bus! Think about
a dual CPU board with two of these CPU's running at, say, a 166MHz
(DDR333) FSB (which would still be below the Marvell's capabilities)!
Dual CPU's would use the DDR to the fullest á la Mac. :) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 13 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 10:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (Kjetil):
The G5's eat G3's for breakfast and G4's for supper on vacation at
Holiday Inn, with or without optional lager. ;)
I agree that the G5 architecture has many advantages, that spans over
to the North Bridge as well. But the 64-bit thing is not all that
necessary for desktop computers. That is not the big deal here, it
just came included in the bargain.
Perhaps there will be a Pegasos III G5 in some time. It has been
announced, but much has happened since then. But making Pegasos CPU
cards with this exciting "G3" (a poor label for this brand spanking
new CPU) would not require much effort, and it will bring much value!
:) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 14 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Apr-2004 10:30 GMT | A G5 would definitely be interesting, but it (and 64-bit in general)
is quite hyped. This one seems very nice in that it (most probably)
doesn't need active cooling, and hopefully it has a nice price, but
the downside is that it doesn't have Altivec afaik.
Anyway, should be very nice as a "definitely fast enough for most, but
silent and cheap" Peg2 option. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 15 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bennymee on 23-Apr-2004 10:36 GMT | | Pegasos II only, the Pegasos isn't upgradable anymore CPU wise ? |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 16 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 23-Apr-2004 11:00 GMT | | The problem is not the CPU, it's the rest - and device drivers :) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 17 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 11:21 GMT | Question:
How much is an announcement about support for a non-existant CPU worth?
I mean, has the 750GX been tested outside of IBM at all yet? I for one sure haven't heard diddely-squat-peep about it from non-marketdroids...
Please, please, please prove me wrong and tell me samples have been tested and found working in-house and that a delivery date of mass produced CPUs has been negotiated ;-) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 18 of 60 | ANN.lu |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 11:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (Ole-Egil):
> Question: How much is an announcement about support for a non-existant CPU worth?
Worth as much or as little as any announcement about unreleased technology, be it OS4, SDK, MicroA1 etc. If you don't want previews, you should stick your head into the sand. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 20 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 11:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (Ole-Egil):
Hey, lo and behold, BB/RV just emailed me saying they indeed HAVE samples, they WORK, and a delivery date for first shipment IS set.
Congratulations :-) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 11:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (Ole-Egil):
Genesi has had the latest Motorola 7447A G4 CPU in house for about
half a year. I don't know if Motorola has yet started selling those
either, but the only thing that matters is that it will be on the
Pegasos not long after they do! ;) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 23 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 11:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
The problem with the announcement is it doesn't say anything about WHEN, not even in a hinting sort of way. This might be a good idea in this market, but it'
s still something that some of us finds odd. Yes, even if it's announcing something we're waiting for ;-)
Anyway, saying that "it's ok because everyone else does it" really isn't an argument if you don't want to be classified as lemming the rest of your life (accidents do happen when thousands of people are yelling and running in the same direction ;-) ). If the announcement is too vague to stand on its own legs without a reference to how someone else makes announcements, then I don't think it's all that much worth.
But since I now know that they have sampled, I am satisfied. See? It was THAT simple :-) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 24 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 11:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 15 (bennymee):
I wouldn't expect much continued HW development for the Peg1
motherboard. Only about 600-700 were ever made, no more will be
produced, and there were some very good reasons to why the Articia
based Peg1 was dropped. There was also a generous offer available for
Peg1 owners to upgrade to Peg2. The 600MHz G3 Peg1 still works fine
for many applications (as well as the few 1GHz Peg1 G4's that was
made) and many people are happy with them (including myself), but it
stopped there. It is not the future, the Peg2 is (and any upcoming
computers of course) ... |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 25 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 11:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (Ole-Egil):
When it's done! ;) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 26 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 23-Apr-2004 12:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Ole-Egil):
With another 5000 Pegasos-II board shipment!
Congratulations! ;) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 28 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 12:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Let me guess. You didn't see the red "ADVANCE" in the upper left corner of that page? ;-) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 29 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anon man on 23-Apr-2004 13:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (Ole-Egil):
> How much is an announcement about support for a non-existant CPU worth?
Boy, any idea when Micro AmigaOne is in shops? Or any idea for OS4 release date? Or A1 XC? Also OS 4.1 is planned.
See, don't believe everything what Ben Hermans is saying on your beta mailing lists. There is always market hype on both side. New Peg CPU card comes when it is done, same for A1 XC etc etc etc.
Thanks for your understanding young boy. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 30 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 13:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (anon man):
Of course there is market hype on both sides. But notice who the moron who made this into a camp-war was. Namely the "grown-up" "anon-man". Way to go.
As I mentioned earlier, I don't see the worth in market hype at all, and using the "lemming" defense is just lame. Had you ALSO read a BIT further you would have seen that my questions indeed have been answered. But obviously that was too much work for you. So now we have a couple of kids discussing the topic at hand, and one self-proclaimed grown-up in dire need of a life. Don't let the door hit your grown-up ass on the way out ;-) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 31 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 13:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Johan Rönnblom):
True we don't need the 64bit, does anyone really? But, even with 32 bit I think the move from 1Ghz G3 to a 2Ghz G5 would be well worth the price of admission. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 32 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anon man on 23-Apr-2004 13:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (Ole-Egil):
My apologies. We anons are curse of Amiga =( |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 33 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 13:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (anon man):
Once again siting this article from 1992:
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/chase92architectural.html
"Unlike the move from 16- to 32-bit addressing, a 64-bit address space will be revolutionary instead of evolutionary with respect to the way operating systems and applications can use virtual memory. Consider that 40 bits can address a terabyte, two orders of magnitude beyond the primary and secondary storage capacity of all but the largest systems today, and that a 64-bit address space, consumed at a rate of 100 megabytes per second, would last five thousand years."
In the 12 years since that we've reached multi-terabyte storage in larger systems, but there's still a few bits left from 48 up to 64 ;-)
And memory speed has increased so we're now talking "just" a "mere" 250 years to fill up the same space. 64 bits is one big number... |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 34 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 13:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (Ole-Egil):
Hah, funny. I was going to write this on AW.net
Muhahaha. Moderators, please drop that posting for me?
Now I'm rolling on the floor laughing, so I think I'll just go home :-) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 35 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Leif on 23-Apr-2004 13:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (Ole-Egil):
Do you know what year it is ?
What country you live in ?
What gender you have ?
;-)
Hmm I cannot find the quote youre "quoting" on that page,
maybe Im just drunk..:/ |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 36 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rafo on 23-Apr-2004 13:40 GMT | Well, someone asked the same about the CPU card already, but only got answers about the mo-bo, so let me ask it again :
Is this CPU card Pegasos1 compatible ? I thought that the Peg1 and Peg2 CPU slots were compatible. But I may be wrong.
Is there an official answer to this ?
(NB : This is not a matter of upgrading a motherboard...) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 37 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 14:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Rafo):
They are electrical and physical compatible AFAIK but the motherboards
are running at different FSB speeds (set in firmware for what I know),
which causes trouble with the multiplier. But trust me, this is still
not the biggest problems with using fast CPU's and fast FSB's on the
Articia Peg1. Genesi made a few 1GHz G4 cards for the Peg1 but they
had to undergo a considerable match making process; even though both
motherboards and CPU cards were tested and worked 100% fine on their
own, they for some strange reason only worked together in random
combinations. So they had to try to find out just which CPU's that
worked with which motherboards, and sell them in working pairs. That
was AFAIK the reason to why the G4 CPU cards were not sold separately
to customers, the risc that the customers' replacement CPU cards would
not work on their particular systems was too big.
But this is no longer a problem, on the Marvell Pegasos II everything
works just fine, and you can change CPU cards just as easy as pulling
and inserting a cord. In fact, it takes longer time to change a light
bulb than it takes to change a CPU in a Pegasos II, and then it just
works! :) |
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| Posted by tarbos on 23-Apr-2004 14:30 GMT | For serious numbercrunching the G5 has several advantages:
*faster core clock
*MUCH higher bandwidth - "1000MHz" bus vs. 133MHz with Pegasos
*DUAL FPU! |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 40 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 16:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Leif):
The quote isn't on that page, it's a quote from the article hosted on the page, silly.
Of course, now I see that it is just as much relevant in this thread as it was in the other, seeing as people were commenting that 64bit isn't a big deal ;-) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 41 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by priest on 23-Apr-2004 16:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
" Dual CPU's would use the DDR to the fullest á la Mac."
It does not work like that.
If the 166Mhz FSB would be shared between the CPU's.
So, still, only about half of the DDR333 capability is used. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 42 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Apr-2004 16:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Leif):
I am fairly certain that the answers to your first three questions are:
2004
Norway
Male (allthough with my tits, who knows...) |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 43 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by priest on 23-Apr-2004 16:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (priest):
I meant: The 166Mhz FSB would be shared between the CPU's. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 44 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 17:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (priest):
Can PPC processors (except G5) make full use of DDR? |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 45 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2004 17:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (priest):
With the DDR's two transfers per clock cycle, couldn't one CPU use the
first half and the other CPU use the second half, so that 333MHz is
achieved in total on 2x "single data rate" CPU's @ 166MHz? |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 46 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by tarbos on 23-Apr-2004 18:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
There are certain highly integrated PPC from IBM and Motorola that can even use DDR2-667 RAM. |
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| New Pegasos CPU card announced, based on the new IBM 750GX : Comment 47 of 60 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by priest on 23-Apr-2004 19:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
"With the DDR's two transfers per clock cycle, couldn't one CPU use the
first half and the other CPU use the second half, so that 333MHz is
achieved in total on 2x "single data rate" CPU's @ 166MHz?"
If the bus from the CPU to the northbridge is built to support that, then yes.
Or if there are separate bus for both CPUs, then yes.
So far there is no such northbridge. And at least not in peg2.
PPC northbridges transfer data once per clock cycle over the FSB. |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Apr-2004 21:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 46 (tarbos):
> There are certain highly integrated PPC from IBM and Motorola that can even
> use DDR2-667 RAM.
What!!?!? Which? Where? When? Who? Why? (OK, forget the last one! ;-)) |
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