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[Web] SWAUG REVEW: USB BARANN.lu
Posted on 26-Apr-2004 13:02 GMT by SWAUG REVIEWS31 comments
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We were approached by a non-Amiga company, USB-Pendrive.co.uk to test the USB Bar for a number of weeks on our Amigas.

The result is this review.
Check it out if you fancy an alternative to ancient floppy disks on your Amiga.

Our website is also in the process of getting a complete facelift and overhaul- we hope you like the changes that have been made.

The review link can be found at www.swaug.org.uk

SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 1 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Apr-2004 11:13 GMT
> The review link can be found at www.swaug.org.uk

Happy hunting.
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 2 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by SWAUG REVIEWS on 26-Apr-2004 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Strange- works fine here.
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 3 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 26-Apr-2004 11:59 GMT
32 Mb is _small_ today. Tiny. >< <- this large.
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 4 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 26-Apr-2004 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Emeric SH):
It is bigger than 880KB though.

And you can get USB flash drives up to 1GB in size.

They aren't meant as a hard drive replacement! Read the easy to find review.
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 5 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Apr-2004 14:14 GMT
32MB USB stick? How's this any news... I've used 512 MB USB sticks
on Amiga :)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 6 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 26-Apr-2004 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
The review is new :)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 7 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 26-Apr-2004 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Graham_nli):
And you can get USB flash drives up to 1GB in size.

4Gigs, you mean. ;)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 8 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Apr-2004 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ronald St-Maurice):
4 Gigs USB drive? Are you sure? Biggest I've seen was a 1 gigger (or might have been a 2 gigger).

Just got a 512 MGB for $88.00
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 9 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 26-Apr-2004 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
http://www.usbshop.com/bu4gbusb20fl.html

;)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 10 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Patrick White on 26-Apr-2004 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ronald St-Maurice):
WOW a 4GB pen drive... that's awesome....

WOW for $1589.00 ... that's expensive
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 11 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 26-Apr-2004 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Yep, what's new too is the fast that a non-Amiga company wants to know
how weel their hardware works on an Amiga(-like) platform.
That's very good. Too bad so many others don't give a crap.
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 12 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 26-Apr-2004 19:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Rafo):
Amiga has had USB for some time now.

So Amiga USB is compatible with "standard" USB. And for the most
common mass storage device mode.

Is it such a surprise ?

koan
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 13 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Apr-2004 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Patrick White):
>WOW for $1589.00 ... that's expensive

They'd probably give you a small discount if you order in bulk ;-)

(PS. That's what I thought too when I looked at the price! I'd rather drag around a portable USB hard drive than pay that)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 14 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 26-Apr-2004 21:23 GMT
Wouldn't it be cool to have a boing ball shaped usb pen drive for say $299 with OS4 pre-installed on it. You just plug it into your Pegasos2 and it would boot up into OS4. How does that sound? ;)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 15 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 26-Apr-2004 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Darrin):
You mean like a Toshiba .85" drive?

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2004_01/pr0801.htm
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 16 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 26-Apr-2004 22:47 GMT
-Nice that an 'external' company apparently thought the test was worthwhile.

-While "FAT95" ("VFAT?") is the de-facto standard today -- and the one MS wants to charge royalties for -- it'd always be interesting to know how Amiga FFS stacks up on a particular device... to remind us of what the software overheads are/aren't for either FS, and just confirm there are no surprises. ;)
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Posted by Rafo on 27-Apr-2004 03:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (koan):
You really don't get the point, do you ?
Let me say it in other words, then.

The point is not USB stuff working on Amiga computers.
The point is some company OUTSIDE the Amiga community KNOWING ABOUT IT !

Is it clearer now ?

How many companies do you know about in the PC world,
knowing AND WANTING TO KNOW that Amiga computers can run up-to-date hardware ?
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 18 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 27-Apr-2004 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Rafo):
> You really don't get the point, do you ?

I do get your point.

> Let me say it in other words, then.
> The point is not USB stuff working on Amiga computers.
> The point is some company OUTSIDE the Amiga community KNOWING ABOUT IT !

My point is that, if USB is implemented properly on the Amiga then there is no need to do any extra testing. If my company just spent X thousand dollars on ensuring that our USB implementation was correct then either it is or it isn't.

koan
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 19 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 27-Apr-2004 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Patrick White):
>WOW a 4GB pen drive... that's awesome....

>WOW for $1589.00 ... that's expensive

If the OS supports USB, then the USB memory sticks at Walmart (32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 512MB..) can be used with it. Those run about $40 and up. :-)

--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 20 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 27-Apr-2004 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (EyeAm):
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Posted by EyeAm (68.59.90.76) on 27-Apr-2004 08:38:50

In Reply to Comment 10 (Patrick White):
>WOW a 4GB pen drive... that's awesome....

>WOW for $1589.00 ... that's expensive

sure is - figure I paid $89 for a 512K - so $180 for a Gig - $350 for 2 gigs and $700 for 4 gigs. Forget the routine of higher costs etc for higher mem availability. 1/2 a gig of memory storage - how much does the average person really need?



If the OS supports USB, then the USB memory sticks at Walmart (32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 512MB..) can be used with it. Those run about $40 and up. :-)

Memory sticks - where can you use these on an Amiga? You mean plugging them in a USB reader (7 formats) and using it that way? OK - I'll buy that.

Why go thru that when the USB pens are available - with much easier ways to be used and interfaced?

Am waiting on (a backorder from ecost.com) a 256 MB memory stick (Magic Gate mini) that I can use in my Sony DCR-1 mini camcorder (for snapshot pictures).

Around $92 IIRC.
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Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 27-Apr-2004 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Rich Woods):
sure is - figure I paid $89 for a 512K - so $180 for a Gig - $350 for 2 gigs and $700 for 4 gigs. Forget the routine of higher costs etc for higher mem availability. 1/2 a gig of memory storage - how much does the average person really need?

Think convenience. I can bring over huge amounts of info when I go to over to someone's place. And it's even smaller than an iPod Mini. Fits on a keychain. Doesn't need a PCMCIA slot, no need to open up the hood nor a FireWire added card.

IMO 512 MBs isn't enough. It's not even the size of a regular CD-ROM (700 MBs). I hope they hurry up and bring the price of the 4gigs USB key down. :D
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2004 10:44 GMT
What's USB Bar ? SDounds like place where you can drink cold beer :)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 23 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2004 10:44 GMT
What's USB Bar ? Sounds like place where you can drink cold beer :)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 24 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 27-Apr-2004 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Darth_X):
>You mean like a Toshiba .85" drive?

Damn, that's nice!!! Something else to add to my Xmas list :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Apr-2004 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Oh ok, it's aame as USB stick or something like :)
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Posted by Darrin on 27-Apr-2004 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Rich Woods):
>how much does the average person really need?

The "rule of thumb" says that you will need exactly double of whatever you purchase ;-)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 27 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by trott3r on 27-Apr-2004 18:27 GMT
Is there another cheaper usb flash pen that someone has tested definitely works on an amiga usb card?
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 28 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Mikael Burman on 27-Apr-2004 23:31 GMT
Does anyone know how long all those storagedevices can hold data? I just found my original Wing Commander disks, and they work!
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 29 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 28-Apr-2004 06:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mikael Burman):
Interestingly enough, most original floppies I have still work after 10-15 years. But the boot-floppy I made last week... Nah.

Typically, they specify data retention at 10 years plus. Unlike magnetic storage, magnetic fields will not affect this. But magnetic storage won't self-drain as quickly. Pros and cons to everything, right?

The only thing that will keep your data is a RAID with offsite backups. I see no other solution... (if your house burns down you loose all your old software unless you have an offsite backup).
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 30 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Mikael Burman on 28-Apr-2004 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ole-Egil):
So, what you are saying is that floppies hold data better than flashmemory? (such as USB Bar and products like that)

I agree about the things you say about RAID and offsite backups. I hope those USB harddrivesollutions can drop some more in price (300GB USB HD is around $400) and I would need at least two of those... ;)
SWAUG REVEW: USB BAR : Comment 31 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 28-Apr-2004 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Mikael Burman):
Well, floppies can obviously hold data for more than 10 years (or even 20 years). Given the right environment (important negative side, that).

Flash is typically spec'ed to 10 years (which is a lot less, but still just a theoretical number, could be anywhere from 5 to 20 years for all we know), but environment doesn't affect it NEARLY as much as with a magnetic storage.

So if you know your environment is free of magnetic noise, floppies should theoretically outlast flash storage. But it's all just theory until it's been tried out for 15 years, right?
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