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[Events] MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page onlineANN.lu
Posted on 05-May-2004 15:56 GMT by Andreas Weyrauch74 comments
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The schedule is now online on the official AmigaOS4 Event website. You can find information on the course of the day there. Besides that, a picture of Amiga MicroA1 has been published under Exhibitors. AmigaOS4 Event Homepage
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 1 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 05-May-2004 14:43 GMT
Very nice picture.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 2 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 05-May-2004 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Emeric SH):
I need one of those :)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 3 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 05-May-2004 17:02 GMT
Absolutely the best AmigaOne model.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 4 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 05-May-2004 18:43 GMT
where's the pic? I must have missed it.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 5 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Stevey on 05-May-2004 18:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Darth_X):
Here is the link m8ty:

http://home.arcor.de/andreas.weyrauch/amigaevent/Text/Microa1.html
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 6 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 05-May-2004 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Stevey):
Awesome!
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 7 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-May-2004 20:52 GMT
I see a picture of a case?

I thought I would get a peek at the final A1 Lite board (I am a little curious about what NorthBridge is used, but I assume that it's the Articia S since that is the only one MAI has done.

Good looking case though, even if it's quite similar to most other basic MicroITX cases ...
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 8 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 05-May-2004 21:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Looks like how a computer 'should' look, and I think we're all quite enthused...

...Still a bit of a bother that it's probably running an analog signal, unless the DVI issue's been addressed, though who wouldn't take one now and an "enhanced" model later, money permitting?
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 9 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 05-May-2004 23:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Stevey):
I saw that page, but there's just a Morex case and a few peripherals on that photo. I sort of hoped to get a photo of the "production version" of the Teron Mini, since the news submitter thought the photo was worth mentioning.

Good looking stuff though. But since that case doesn't even have room for any PCI cards on a mini-ITX mobo, you could just as well go for one or two (or three, or...) small PPC boards to put inside... ;) Then again, those could just as well be hidden in a matchbox in your desk drawer!
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 10 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 05-May-2004 23:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Seehund):
Damn you, ANN! Stop eating my hyperlinks!

The text I submitted had a link named "really" directly before "small", leading here.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 11 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 05-May-2004 23:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Seehund):
Most of those won't get you video out, though, excepting the MIPS-based T-Cube, which is a cute little gadget, and may well deserve to be newer Asian markets' C64. (Not that I'm sure it'll work out for NEC; China has some vested interest in going homegrown, though it does pander to their present taste in architecture.)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 12 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
>I thought I would get a peek at the final A1 Lite board (I am a little curious >about what NorthBridge is used, but I assume that it's the Articia S since that >is the only one MAI has done.

It's the same ArticiaS than in the AOne XE.

Sure, it's a very small board, there is just a "tiny" problem: The NorthBridge does NOT work...

Bye
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 13 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
"Sure" And because of "bug" in Articia AmigaOne "can't" have working errorfree UDMA for IDE etc, right ? :)

Oh wait, did you forget this:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1362
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 14 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
Well, with poor perf ...

Now, try to make USB, FireWire, ethernet (with HW checksumming) working
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 15 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
How do you know those are not already working :)
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Posted by priest on 06-May-2004 08:22 GMT
Has a working PCI riser card been demonstrated anywhere?

This mini board is ok otherwise, but after I add a video capture card, the expansion capability pretty much ends...
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 17 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Okey ofcource I don't know euther I just couldn't resist ... :)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 18 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by messerschmidt on 06-May-2004 09:54 GMT
Is this an official Amiga model?

http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml

Quote: "The statements made are false and misleading. I should also like to remind the community, and those users of the Amiga Operating System, that the End User License Agreement clearly states that the license for use is only valid, on Amiga branded machines. Therefore if the Amiga operating system is being used on a non-Amiga branded machine the use would be prohibited."

If MicroA1 is not Amiga branded machine then running OS4 is ILLEGAL! Please DO NOT SUPPORT PIRACY and buy Amiga branded machine only. You are breaking EULA and you are sued!
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 19 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-May-2004 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (messerschmidt):
MicroA1 is a A1.
A1 is a AmigaOne.
AmigaOne is legally a "Amiga".
MicroAmigaOne should therefore be also legal...
I think whateverAmigaOnewhatever are all legal names for Eyetech's products.

AmigaTwo would require a new licence. ;-)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 20 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-May-2004 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (priest):
The motherboard lacks the 2x11 pin riser card connector to make it possible to use 2-3 PCI cards anyway (and I don't think there is room for any either), so it looks like you are stuck with having just just one.

http://www.formfactors.org/developer%5Cspecs%5CATX_Spec_V1_0.pdf

http://www.eyetech.co.uk/PRODPIX/MA1PREP1.JPG
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 21 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by BEn on 06-May-2004 10:42 GMT
Oooo imagine using that next to your TV to play all those classic Amiga games.
Surely there is a HUGE market for this device as a DVD/MP3 player/internet device costing about £250, bundled with a DVD with all the classic Amiga games released in the past 15 years and no I dont mean demos of games and the odd full version of an average game I mean Amiga to activally hunt down
full licenses for all of those games and to make sure they run ok via emulation on OS4... I reckon they would sell thousands and thousands... a great way to get people into OS4
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 22 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-May-2004 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (takemehomegrandma):
BTW, the strenghts of MiniITX boards are their incredible low price and their incredible small size. The tiny size however does not come for free, it's possible on the expense of customisation, future upgradability and expandability. That is the price you pay (other than money) if you are into the MiniITX form factor. You get what you get, and can't do much about it later on.

The MiniITX form factor defines the size of 17x17 cm, which doesn't leave much room for extra PCI (nor AGP) slots, which some people might find a bit limiting (but you can't have it all! ;-)). Now, I don't want to bring this thread off topic, but just as reference, the Pegasos motherboard has the size of about 17x23.5 cm, and those extra 6.5 centimeters are just that - PCI and AGP slots, so it's both small and expandable. :-P

:-)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 23 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by BEn on 06-May-2004 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
but as long as it can play MP3s, DVDs, browse the web, print images off of digital cameras and word process, then there is a huge market for that. Most people dont want to play teh latest 3d games or heavy manipulation of graphics
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 24 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by BEn on 06-May-2004 10:56 GMT
What the A600 should have been!
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 25 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
>MicroA1 is a A1.
>A1 is a AmigaOne.
>AmigaOne is legally a "Amiga".

The names are confusing. This is a mini-itx form factor board but is named MicroA1. How will the micro-ATX form factor board be named, MiniA1?! Anyway, mini-itx isn't my cup of tea: it gains only 6 cm vs micro-atx but sacrifices several slots for it. Duh. I would have preferred if a solid micro-ATX A1 was released first or instead. That would have been a nice comprimise between the current clunky, old A1 and the impractical mini-itx form factor.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 26 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-May-2004 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (takemehomegrandma):
I think Alan has mentioned that the ricer card should be possible. But perhaps that was just sales propaganda then. :(
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Posted by priest on 06-May-2004 11:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
>The names are confusing. This is a mini-itx form factor board but is named MicroA1.

I fully agree. I'm pretty sure some buyers will be mislead to buy the wrong board.

>How will the micro-ATX form factor board be named, MiniA1?!

Yeah. LOL! ;-)

But I expect it to be the mid-range Amiga (without any high end model being available).

So perhaps it will be just "A1".

>Anyway, mini-itx isn't my cup of tea: it gains only 6 cm vs micro-atx but sacrifices several slots for it. Duh. I would have preferred if a solid micro-ATX A1 was released first or instead. That would have been a nice comprimise between the current clunky, old A1 and the impractical mini-itx form factor.

I'm eager to get my hands on AOS4. I think I'll start with the minimicroA1 first. At some point I will NEED a "big box" model with a few more PCI slots. Then the mini board would be put to some server/enterntainment use.

hmmm... would Alan provide special price for A1 cluster builders...?? ;-)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 28 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 11:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (takemehomegrandma):
> The motherboard lacks the 2x11 pin riser card connector to make it possible to use 2-3 PCI cards anyway

You don't need such a complex connector, that is only required for a very complex riser cards (with support for ISA slots, more than two slots etc). A mini-itx board that is prepared to take a rise card with just two slots - more don't fit in mini-itx cases anyway - can do with a tiny connector. My EPIA board had three pins for that purpose.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 29 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-May-2004 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
> that is only required for a very complex riser cards (with support for ISA
> slots, more than two slots etc).

Yes, custom solutions are of course possible, you can even hack beyond 3 slots if you do it this way. However, since this violates the standard it prevent you from using standard (cheap, easy available) raiser cards.

However, I feel like discussing this motherboard is kind of pointless. It is Vaporware. Really. I know that "working" prototypes has been shown on some occasions, but I really don't think they will ever be sold in practice. Even Alan himself are saying it won't be available unless a big customer orders a batch of 10,000 units or similar, and since it's based on the ArticiaS, who will? Someone who doesn't know about its flaws yet? Wow, what a lawsuit Eyetech would get later on then, when the customer finds out ...

But even *if* this board would hit the streets, it would certainly *not* be cheap (and that's what people expects from a MiniITX board because of its limitations) and probably underspecced compared to competing MiniITX boards of that particular year (whenever that might be).

But hey, dream on! ;-)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 30 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-May-2004 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Care to prove it?
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 31 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-May-2004 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (takemehomegrandma):
For fuck sake, shut up TMHGM, no-one ever has offered proof that it is flawed, and it's already been sold in the UK, so it ain't vaporware, they sold a small batch to some developers.

The closest we ever came to know about the ArticiaS is that it is't 100% to the PCI spec (see a discussion i had afew months ago with Nate about this), and wether or not this poses a REAL problem is left to be proven, AOS4 has working DMA eg (And don't say the performance is bad, that was a beta/alfa driver, not a finished one, debug info etc slow things down).

The ArticiaS doesn't properly work with LinuxPPC yet, but that's not really Eyetechs concern, besides, they actually know what they're doing.

Now, go suck up to your blue god & piss off

Sad, sad person...
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 32 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-May-2004 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Amon_Re):
Amon, I have noted certain temper in your comments lately.. tsot tsot. Mama will come to spank you and wash your mouth with soap. I already can hear her steps.. !

*hides*
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 33 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (takemehomegrandma):
> Yes, custom solutions are of course possible, you can even hack beyond 3 slots if you do it this way. However, since this violates the standard it prevent you from using standard (cheap, easy available) raiser cards.

If the MicroA1 follows the VIA EPIA "standard" of using three pins, you will have no trouble locating a cheap riser card. Cheap is relative, of course: what you save with the integrated graphics, you loose with the purchase of a 2-slot riser card. mini-itx makes sense if the package as-is exactly meets your requirements. If you start thinking about riser cards, you probably are looking at the wrong mainboard/form factor.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 34 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-May-2004 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
"BTW, the strenghts of MiniITX boards are their incredible low price and their incredible small size. The tiny size however does not come for free, it's possible on the expense of customisation, future upgradability and expandability. That is the price you pay (other than money) if you are into the MiniITX form factor. You get what you get, and can't do much about it later on."

That was also the point of the A500 and A1200 - lower price than the big box Amigas, but not designed to be expandable.

I would put a Catweasel card in the only slot, if the software works.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 35 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-May-2004 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Amon_Re):
"The ArticiaS doesn't properly work with LinuxPPC yet, but that's not really Eyetechs concern"

It is if it reduces sales. There must be people who want a PPC board to run Linux. Or are there?
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 36 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-May-2004 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
> If you start thinking about riser cards, you probably are looking at the
> wrong mainboard/form factor.

Exactly! :-)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 37 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 06-May-2004 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
China has some vested interest in going homegrown, though it does pander to their present taste in architecture.>/i>

China? "Panda", shurely...

Gregg
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-May-2004 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Don Cox):
> That was also the point of the A500 and A1200 - lower price than the big box
> Amigas, but not designed to be expandable.

No offence, but I think your comparison with Amigas is kind of cute! ;-)

Sure, Commodore made some product differentiations for different market segments, but here Eyetech just takes whatever Terons MAI/Inguard throws at them.

(BTW, Come on everybody, if we all close our eyes and keep repeating the mantra "it *IS* an Amiga, it *IS* an Amiga" to ourselves long enough, then perhaps it will feel like one in the end?)

;-)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 39 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-May-2004 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (hooligan/dcs):
Lately? I've rarely posted the last few weeks, it's just that my patience with some imbecils has run out.

That or i've been lacking sleep again :P
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 40 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-May-2004 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Don Cox):
Well, if they had a potential client requesting linux, i'd guess they'd get some coders to fix it.

Their intrest is most likely kiosk type things, and they've done those things in the past with AOS, amongst others.

Eyetech has been arround long enough to know what they're doing

Cheers
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 41 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-May-2004 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (takemehomegrandma):
And a peg feels like a real amiga? Grow up.

The A1 is an amiga, it runs AOS, and it's branded an amiga, argueing that it's not an Amiga because it lacks custom chips is pure idiocy.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 42 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 06-May-2004 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Amon_Re):
Crap. Only Amiga is Amiga and that is Amiga from Commodore :) A1 and Peg are not Amiga, not even Amiga branded but generic PowerPC motherboards.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 43 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-May-2004 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (itix):
The A1 runs AOS, it's an amiga, go ahead & run arround it in circles, it won't change that
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 44 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 06-May-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (takemehomegrandma):
Sure, Commodore made some product differentiations for different market segments, but here Eyetech just takes whatever Terons MAI/Inguard throws at them.

Do you have inside information on Eyetech or MAI to know how they work to getter?
If not Iím shore they talk whit etch other, and what ever comes out of this talks, we do not know, Eytech might design specs, MAI might agree or disagree, Eyetch design a new spec, etc. what do you know, what ever the final result is, it can then be labelled Amiga or Teron or what ever, depending on what market they aim at,
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 45 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 06-May-2004 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (itix):
Is it ladled Amiga then itís an Amiga,

Just like commodore sold PC, shore they where not C64ís
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 46 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 06-May-2004 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Amon_Re):
Many system can run AOS through emulation -> they are amigas?
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 47 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 06-May-2004 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Jon):
then again AmigaOne uses rewritten exec, execSG is not emulated.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 48 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Because it's NOT possible without the April on ANY OS.


Bye
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 49 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 06-May-2004 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
To bad you do not have name, so we can't be remained you when it works.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 50 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Poop on 06-May-2004 15:53 GMT
Amiga is dead.
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