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[Events] MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page onlineANN.lu
Posted on 05-May-2004 15:56 GMT by Andreas Weyrauch74 comments
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The schedule is now online on the official AmigaOS4 Event website. You can find information on the course of the day there. Besides that, a picture of Amiga MicroA1 has been published under Exhibitors. AmigaOS4 Event Homepage
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 51 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2004 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (itix):
> Only Amiga is Amiga

Anyone who says "Only amiga is Amiga" should be shot without trial ;) And the otter fraction should note that "Is it ladled Amiga then it’s an Amiga" isn't any better...
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 52 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 06-May-2004 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
Amiga T-cups, Amiga T-shirts,

way not Amiga PPC computers?
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 53 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 06-May-2004 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
A list in order of "most like a real Classic Amiga":


1. WinUAE (runs the most Amiga programs and is the most classic like)

2. MorphOS (classic application compatibility similar to Amithlon plus has it's own OS)

3. Amithlon (similar to UAE without support for the original chipset)

4. AROS (Amiga look and feel, but doesn't run any classic Amiga apps)



The problem comes when Amiga OS 4 comes out. AOS4 will have similar "Classic Amiga" compatibilty near the level of
MorphOS and Amithlon. The real question once it is out will be:


A list in order of "most like the Current Amiga OS":


1.Amiga OS 4

2. ...

3. ....


WinUAE and Amithlon will be left behind and MorphOS and AROS will just go off in their own direction at this point, as far as "current" Amiga OS compatibility.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 54 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 06-May-2004 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Amon_Re):
The A1 is an amiga, it runs AOS, and it's branded an amiga, argueing that it's not an Amiga because it lacks custom chips is pure idiocy.

And arguing that the A1 is an Amiga simply because of the brand name is completely reasonable. ;-) Sure, this is an adequate reason, as long as we recognize that we're talking about brand names and nothing more. For people who fancy brand names and nothing beyond that superficial level, this is important. For people who put more value on technology and other arcane details, the whole situation becomes much more ambiguous, which is what causes these arguments.

-- gary_c
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 55 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 06-May-2004 23:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Agima):
The problem comes when Amiga OS 4 comes out. AOS4 will have similar "Classic Amiga" compatibilty near the level of MorphOS and Amithlon. The real question once it is out will be:

A list in order of "most like the Current Amiga OS":

1.Amiga OS 4
2. ...
3. ....

WinUAE and Amithlon will be left behind and MorphOS and AROS will just go off in their own direction at this point, as far as "current" Amiga OS compatibility

The real "real question" as far as the success of any of these products is concerned, is not "which is most like AmigaOS" but "which will evolve fastest to an OS that can find new users?" Really, why argue about whether AOS4 or MOS or UAE or whatever is most like a 10-year-old operating system? At what point in the general progress of desktop computing does "Amiga-like" convey more negatives than positives? Rather than argue about vague similarities or such frivolous stuff as what name is stuck on, it would be more productive to identify specifically what from the classic Amiga computing experience is worth reimplementing in 2004.

Being "Amiga-like" per se is only important to (some) current fans, and there's not enough of them to make the platform viable. Both AOS and MOS have to leverage the positive aspects of the technology they are descendants of and minimize the negative ones as quickly and thoroughly as possible, if they want to be more than an asterisk in computing history. In other words, this "most Amiga-like" is a backward-focused argument; people should be looking forward instead.

-- gary_c
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 56 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 07-May-2004 05:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
Ahh, a blind believer. Let's wait and see. Soon people can test by themself.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 57 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 05:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
Yeah yeah, bla bla. As said earlier guys like you said the same about IDE UDMA and it was already proven that UDMA works in OS4.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 58 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 05:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Jon):
No. Emulation IS NOT same as running navite OS.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 59 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 07-May-2004 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (gary_c):
Honestly, I didn't see him arguing which solution is best using the arguments you're arguing against ;-)

And quite frankly, I don't see your argument either.
Most of the people I know who are waiting for OS4 are actually looking forward and seem content that the only way to get the older software going is through emulation. And I don't think I've heard anyone using the phrase "Amiga-like" who wasn't a MOS user (of course, I'm not saying there aren't OS4ians who would use such an argument, just that it does seem a MOSian would be more likely to use the phrase).
I do agree, though. Bickering over who is most Amiga-compatible is totally silly. The important thing is to get a good product in the future, not to have had the best one in the past.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 60 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 07-May-2004 06:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Jon):
And again talk about what is an Amiga and what is not.. :P

Here is my opinion, I have said this earlier when here was discussion like this.

If new system:

- runs NATIVE AmigaOS (Yes, native not emulated)
- can be used like an Amiga
- feels like an Amiga
- runs old Classic AmigaOS software (emulated or not)
- runs new native AmigaOS software

Then IS IS an Amiga.

I think that's wery clear definition anouyt what is an Amiga and what is not.
So, I think AmigaOne+OS4 is as much an Amiga as A500, A1200, A4000 etc.

Every computer systemm on this planet has changed. Current PC is not same PC there was 10 years ago. Current MAC is not same MAC either. Every damn platform has new hardware which is wery different when compared to 10 years old version.

Why should only real Amiga be something like A500 ? We should know better. Lot's of PC users still think that Amiga==A5090, but we know that there was eg. A4000 which is wery different. Why AmigaOne copuld not be Amiga if A4000 cvan ? And don't say "because A4000 has custom chipset" Every platform has changed chipsets manytimes.

I can't think UAE as an Amiga. It emulates Amiga, it does not run AmigaOS natively, and it can't run AmigaOS software whitout emulation. There is nothing bad in emulation, but it is not Amiga.

I personally have nothing against it if people think that pegasos is an Amiga. If I would buy Pegasos i would probably put Amiga sticker in it and think it is an Amiga.

BUT If you are honest pegasos+MOS is Amiga clone, as much as Draco was Amiga clone. I really canä't understand why peoie think it's so awful if people think it is not Amiga ? Did we have something against Draco users ? no we did not. So why should we have something against Pegasos users ?

Why Pegasos users can't be happy with it that pegasos+MOS is wery good Amiga clone ? You should be happy and proud that someone managed to create something so Amiga-like after all these years.

I can't understand why pegasos+MOS usetrs can't allow AmigaOne to be called Amiga. Did Draco users have any bad feelings against eg. A4000 users ? No they were happy with their Amiga clone.

AmigaOne does run Native AmigaOS. It is not about Amiga ticker in AmigaOne-tower, it is about it that Amigaone can run native AmigaOS and AmigaOS applications.

If Pegasos someday can run AmigaOS4 then we can call it Amiga too, before that it is wery good Amiga-clone and that's not bad at all. Let Amigaone be Amiga and be happy with your Amiga clone. Most of the people will think Pegasos as an Amiga even if it technically is not.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 61 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 07-May-2004 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (miksuh):
"Then IS IS an Amiga" == "Then IT IS an Amiga"


Lot's of other typos too :) I think i should try to write slower :)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 62 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 07-May-2004 06:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Ole-Egil):
Yep atleast I have nothing against it if Pegasos is called Amiga, even if it technically is wery good clone.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 63 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 07-May-2004 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
Native wasn't mentioned. Sorry :)
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 64 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 10:31 GMT
So here we have it again. Ranting and raving in every
thread that gives some news about A1 or AOS4.

Some people can't stand that because they don't have
the guts to admit that they are jealous.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 65 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (gary_c):
>>which will evolve fastest to an OS that can find new users?"


>>Really, why argue about whether AOS4 or MOS or UAE or whatever is most like a 10-year-old operating system?


Those are two completely seperate things. I wasn't talking about which OS will find the most new users. The discusion was around which OS is going to be most Amiga like. And as I pointed out I felt right now it is UAE, followed by MorphOS, etc...

As far as your question as to "why argue" about which OS will be the most like a 10-year-old operating system... Isn't that the reason to even be on ANN.lu? I mean why are you here in the community? Why do you post? I guess I making the "Assumption" people in the "Amiga" community want an OS that is "like" the Amiga OS we all know, not just some random OS that is more concerned with "evolving fastest to an OS that can find new users" than it is with being "Amiga" like.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 66 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 07-May-2004 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Ole-Egil):
Hopefully OS4 will provide an 'Amiga-like' experience ;-

But does that mean, poor resolution graphics and slow CPU speeds or something else? :-P

Not a MorphOS user...at least not until the FedEx man arrives.

Steve
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 67 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 07-May-2004 18:19 GMT
As far as your question as to "why argue" about which OS will be the most like a 10-year-old operating system...

If the new Amiga where just like an old Amiga1000 and the OS is just as AmigaOS1.0, then I shore hell will not bay it,

The old AmigaOS have many short comings,

01. No memory protection.
02. No Automatic stack enlargement,
03. No propper HAL interface.
04. No emulation
05. No resource tracking
06. No MMU api
07. No SMP support
08. No Swap partition
09. No Api for zorro/pci bus
10. No TrueType font support
11. No default AHI drivers.
12. No default gaming API interface

So if AmigaOS4.0 should Amiga like it need to no new features, be just as allways, may not change the version number.

I prefer and I think it's time to throw out this old Agnus,Palula,Alice,etc. chips, they are old out of date, performance poorly compared whit modern hardware and are not produced inn volume, end of
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 68 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 07-May-2004 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Kjetil):
argument.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 69 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Kjetil):
>> The old AmigaOS have many short comings,

No we do not want Amiga OS 1.0 relabled 4.0.

What do we mean by "Most Like" maybe it would be better frased this way:


I guess it would be somthing like keeping all the things "Good" about the old version of Amiga OS and fixing the shortcomings you list like 'memory protection' etc.

It still looks like AOS4.0 is going to be... Da' Bomb!! Yeah Baby!!!
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 70 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 07-May-2004 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Kjetil):
<Just to make it clear, if any one having trouble whit my previous post>

So if AmigaOS4.0 should be Amiga like it need to have no new features, be just like allways no changes what so ever, keep the version number.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 71 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Kjetil):
>>> I prefer and I think it's time to throw out this old Agnus,Palula,Alice,etc. chips, they are old out of date

Totally agree there and fortunatly both MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 have finally gone that direction.
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 72 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 19:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Kjetil):
>> So if AmigaOS4.0 should be Amiga like it need to have no new features, be just like allways no changes what so ever, keep the version number.


No, it should keep the things we love about Amiga OS (ie: the things that keep us using the Amiga and the reason we spend time posting here) and then improve upon it and add new features. Does that make sense?

That's what happened with AOS1.0 to 1.1 to 1.2 to 1.3 to 2.0 to 2.5 to 3.0 to 3.1 to 3.5 to 3.9 now to 4.0

The same basic OS continually being improved and added to.

Do you think that Amiga OS 3.0 stopped being "Amiga Like" because they made improvements to it since Amiga oS 2.0??? Do think 3.0 is not Amiga OS and that 2.0 is?
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 73 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-May-2004 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
Well, the most important I think is not that it works or not (It's a fact that it doesn't).

The most important if that they made you believe it does...

Bye
MicroA1 Picture and Schedule on the AmigaOS4 Event Page online : Comment 74 of 74ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-May-2004 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Agima):
OS4 will define the future "Amiga feel", it may be a cut with the past, it may be better or worst, but I hope it will keep the strenghts os classic AmigaOS: speed, reliability, simplicity, etc, all the things we know and love...
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