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[News] AmigaONE and the duel between Amiga and Pegasos mentioned in PC MagazineANN.lu
Posted on 07-May-2004 08:16 GMT by Raffaele55 comments
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On PC Magazine issue of may, John C. Dvorak says that the competition between AmigaONE and Pegasos could be «the best thing to happen to desktop computing in decades». I forwarded these news from Amigart. Quoting:

«"PCMagazine May 4, 2004, page 65 in an article by John C.Dvorak.

"Amiga Not Dead Yet Dept.: When I wrote about the MorphOS initiative, essentially a clean-room redesign of the Amiga OS for the PowerPC, I failed to mention that there is still a lively pure-amiga crowd that is developing a new OS for a PowerPC iteration of the original Amiga.
OS4's implemenatation should modernize and perhaps revitalize the platform. A competition between these two camps could be the best thing to happen to desktop computing in decades.""
AmigaONE and the duel between Amiga and Pegasos mentioned in PC Magazine : Comment 1 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-May-2004 06:28 GMT
Poor man.. one can only imagine the amount of emails and bitching he had after mentioning MorphOS briefly awhile ago.
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Posted by DaveP on 07-May-2004 07:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
IIRC he got plenty of bitching from MorphOS users about the amazingly innaccurate and overblown things he printed.
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Posted by Raffaele on 07-May-2004 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
Mr Hooligan/dcs wrote:

>Poor man.. one can only imagine the amount of emails
>and bitching he had after mentioning MorphOS briefly
>awhile ago.

Seems strange that you preferred to made a trollish comment, instead to point the positive attitude of Dvorak for the Amiga based platforms.

Not only he mentioned AmigaOS4 now, but he points the duel as a REAL competition and real innovative growth in the world of IT stuck between Windows and Unix-based solutions (Linux and MacOSX included)

And I want to add this: With TCPA Palladium sitting back the corner, to have two other indipendent OS solutions is not a thing too bad.

This fact increases the number of indipendent solutions alternative to Windows.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 07:57 GMT
What competition ? There is only MorphOS and Pegasos 2.
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In reply to Comment 3 (Raffaele):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Foreign language
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Posted by Emeric SH on 07-May-2004 08:07 GMT
" Not only he mentioned AmigaOS4 now, but he points the duel as a REAL competition and real innovative growth[snip]"

Innovative will be everything which is beyond basic requirements - static and JIT emulator, Radeon 2D and 3D drivers, etc. The "reinvention of the wheel" approach which is mostly going on currently instead of working together is a waste of resources IMO, not "REAL competition".
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
BLUE TROLL

Always the same thing.

I hope that people like you don´t represent to the community Peg/mos.
If it was like that, disgust would give very much and great a sorrow that such a small community is so harmful and hypocritical with the Amiga.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Eva):
The fanatics of peg/mos have the facility of turning a good and agreeable news for the community Amigaaa into a clash between red and blue, with the only purpose of discrediting to a1/os4.

Pathetic.
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Posted by Hagge on 07-May-2004 08:35 GMT
they are so wrong ;/
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Posted by Raffaele on 07-May-2004 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Eva):
Prima di tutto Eva per favore scrivi in Inglese o metti anche la traduzione, sennò Kemp ti cancella...

E'la sua nuova policy.

>English please o double-language Eva or Kemp will delete your post.

It is his new policy.

tr.>Raffaele... it is years that on Cnet and ByteOnline
tr.>it was talking about AOS4, until in the last two years
tr.>AOS 4 entered stablily in the list of Vaporware of all times.


Plase Eva moderate your language.

In the list of vaporware FIRST (two year ago) entered AmigaONE (the hardware

THEN ONLY this year AOS4...

Be precise before saying anything.

tr.> Put together a product I use since 6 months with satisfaction
tr.>(I USE)
tr.>with one thatis not ever released as beta version
tr.>is not good for MorphOS

We are not talking about unexistent product dear EVA, we are talking of an existing product ALTERNATIVE to yours.

You may feel disqualified by the lack of a competitor "really present", no matter.

But the fact it exists a FIRM alternative to Genesi which PRODUCES alternative products it is NOY ONLY a split in a market...

But it means REAL competition, growth of products and TRUE innovation...

And, by the way who said you that I am not thinking to buy a Pegasos?
Actually I am collecting funds... ;-) but the policy of Bill Buck could change my choice, and the presence of a really functioning couple AONE+AOS4 could be a respectful choice.

By the way we will see more of AOS4 at WEBBIT Italy when AOS4 (Beta? final?) will be present in force, and more at official presentation in Essen Germany.
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Posted by Thomas Frieden on 07-May-2004 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Eva):
LOL. Eva, at least we are important enough to be mentioned in the vaproware list ;)
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Posted by Andrea Maniero on 07-May-2004 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Raffaele):
> Plase Eva moderate your language.

Just want to let everyone not speaking italian that this time Eva didn't say anything offensive... on the contrary, it's all quite polite. This line from Raffaele might give the wrong impression.

>tr.> Put together a product I use since 6 months with satisfaction
>tr.>(I USE)
>tr.>with one thatis not ever released as beta version
>tr.>is not good for MorphOS
>
> We are not talking about unexistent product dear EVA, we are talking of an
> existing product ALTERNATIVE to yours.

Actually Eva didn't say anything unknown: as of today AOS4 is still unreleased, even in its beta form. We know the situation is going to change "real soon now", and, in a few days, Eva will have to find new arguments (not that I think it will be an hard task!).

Kind regards,
Andrea
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Posted by itix on 07-May-2004 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
He is right. Competition begins when OS4 gets released.
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Posted by itix on 07-May-2004 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveP):
"IIRC he got plenty of bitching from MorphOS users about the amazingly innaccurate and overblown things he printed."

Yup. MorphOS is not ready for big world. Stupid hype cant do any good when there are no browsers comparable to Mozilla/MSIE, Pagestream is still somewhere, lot of more things to do.

It was interesting article, still... :)
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Posted by Seehund on 07-May-2004 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Raffaele):
> In the list of vaporware FIRST (two year ago) entered AmigaONE (the hardware

Actually, that was last year's award (i.e. for "achievements" during 2002), and it wasn't for what's now sold as AmigaOnes, but for "the new Amiga" (sic). Any plans for a new Amiga had already been dropped by the time the award was presented, so maybe it was undeserved since "the new Amiga" vapourware had already, um, evaporated.

Considering past announcements, AmigaOS 4 would have been qualified for a nomination to both the 2001 and 2002 awards anyway.

> Be precise before saying anything.

:)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Thomas Frieden):
I think the word you're looking for is "infamous." ;-)
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Posted by Andrew Korn on 07-May-2004 11:59 GMT
Ok, so Dvorak may be getting just a bit overexcited -- but can you really blame him? He wants to to see desktop computing actually go somewhere.

What's interesting to see is that from his outside perspective he believes competition between the two platforms is something that can drive both to bigger and greater things, while people inside the "community" mostly see competition between the two platforms as a reason to fight each other.

All together now - "D'oh!"
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Posted by miksuh on 07-May-2004 12:30 GMT
Don't know how much AmigaOne+OS4 or Pegasos+MOS could change world, probably not much. But both of those sure make IT industry much more interesting, It's always good to have alternative systems.

And it would not be the first time when real innovation starts as a small alternative thing.
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Posted by miksuh on 07-May-2004 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Andrew Korn):
Sure, if everything goes well then compoetition may benefit both systems. Competition may ofcourse kill both, but good fair competition is also wery good reason to try to make your own product better than other. only time will tell what will happen.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-May-2004 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveP):
I know. I am one of them.

The guy is totally lost :)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-May-2004 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Raffaele):
>Seems strange that you preferred to made a trollish comment, instead to point the positive attitude of Dvorak for the Amiga based platforms

Comment 20, second paragraph.
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Posted by miksuh on 07-May-2004 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (miksuh):
And..

You can't say that there is no progress without competition. but usually fair competetion makes progress faster. Usually it's compettion which makes people invent new ideas. I don't know how well this could work in market as small as this. Competition can be dangerous if you are as small as Hyperion or Genesi. But if we are lucky then competetion really can benefit us all.
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Posted by DaveP on 07-May-2004 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (hooligan/dcs):
I thought so, but my memory is quite hazy at the best of times and as I didn't have time before I hit reply to go double check I thought Id make it more generic.

However, keeping this guy in a reality check is very sensible.
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Posted by DaveP on 07-May-2004 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Andrew Korn):
Its overexcited journalism and innaccuracies that, well, get hopes up of outsiders looking in and insiders looking out that the Amiga ( and now MorphOS ) market seems to be damaged by all the time. But alas, it was ever so.
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Posted by Gregg on 07-May-2004 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (DaveP):
Eh? Why pick on that vanishing species, journalists who mention Amiga?

There's people in every section of Amiga-land who are guilty of being over-excited and inaccurate, and wilfully so; they have done a lot more damage than those endangered journalists.

Gregg
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Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
>>What competition ? There is only MorphOS and Pegasos 2.

Maybe you Blue trolls should spend more time comparing yourselves to 'other' OSes out there instead of Amiga OS.

Sure Morph OS is "Great" compared to an unrealesed OS, but how about compared to every other OS out there? Are there even any MorphOS specific applications? How long can you get buy living off the scraps of Amiga 3.9 and older Apps?

Do you even have your own web browser? Do you even have a TCP/IP stack of your own yet?

My point is you're guys look pretty foolish when all you can tell Windows and Linux users that you want to convert something like... "We have no browser, TCP/IP stack, or really any Apps of our own to run...but umm... At least you "CAN" buy all this nothingness.. I mean Amiga OS isn't even out yet." Really, convincing argument to buy your product there guys.
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Posted by itix on 07-May-2004 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Agima):
No, there aint any MorphOS specific apps and I dont know anyone coding one. Life sucks in the MorphOS land. We have great games ported from MS-DOS, though. http://www.lehtoranta.net/Digger.png M O R P H O S ! A M A Z I N G G A M E S S I N C E 1 9 8 3 !
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Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 07-May-2004 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Agima):
> Do you even have your own web browser?

Hello ? In which world do you live ? MorphOS has two web browsers
since several years (more, if you want to count Lynx&co:). It's time
to wake up, sir... You used to be smarter.
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Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Nicolas Sallin):
>>MorphOS has two web browsers since several years

Which two? As I said in my previous statement I'm talking about MorphOS native apps, not old Classic Amiga OS 3.9 stuff.
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Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Agima):
I am the REAL Agima, who are you imposter?
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Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Nicolas Sallin):
>> Hello ? In which world do you live ?

And about the Tcp/Ip stack?

I'm just saying MorphOS should be more focused on trying to be better when compared to OSes that are out there currently. Saying MorphOS is better than Amiga OS 4 simply based on the fact that it isn't released yet is just foolish.

Soon AOS4 will be out and it will already have things like a TCP/IP stack before MorphOS does and MorphOS has been out for quite a while. Then what are the Blue trolls going to compare their OS too?

It's just sad when the only good thing you can find about the OS your using is that it's released. Try comparing it to something that people use these days and work toward bringing your OS to a level where you can compete against "what is" availabe.
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Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Agima):
Posted by Agima (168.143.113.138) on 07-May-2004 18:06:58

>>I am the REAL Agima, who are you imposter?


Would the real Agima please stand up, please stand up?

What is reality Anyway...

I can touch myself... so I must be real. Hmm that sounds dirty.. I take it back.
AmigaONE and the duel between Amiga and Pegasos mentioned in PC Magazine : Comment 33 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Agima):
>>I am the REAL Agima, who are you imposter?

And no you are not the REAL Agima... I do know this about you though:

You are a big Barbara-Ann Gray fan:

http://www.ukscreen.com/cast/take2
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Posted by Emeric SH on 07-May-2004 16:28 GMT
"Soon AOS4 will be out and it will already have things like a TCP/IP stack before MorphOS does and MorphOS has been out for quite a while. Then what are the Blue trolls going to compare their OS too?"

Is there anything else AOS4 has and the public version of MorphOS still doesn't, that you keep repeating it so much? :) By the time AOS4 gets released ("soon") it'll be interesting to compare the MorphOS of that time to the released AmigaOS4.

Will AOS4 incorporate a native PPC browser for free just as MorphOS does? When will it provide integrated and transparent 68K JIT/WarpOS/PowerUP support? When will it have 32 bit GUI from ground up including icons? Will I be able to connect my Nokia 5510 via USB just like under MorphOS? Will there be something like the superbundle for it? And feel free to add some otther "Will there be"s on your own. :)
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Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Emeric SH):
@Emeric SH

See, you know what I mean.

You obviously are not a blind troll going aroung (Eva) saying, "I think MorphOS is really neat because AOS4 isn't released yet." I mean, WOW!!!, what a feature there Eva!!!
AmigaONE and the duel between Amiga and Pegasos mentioned in PC Magazine : Comment 36 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Agima mkII on 07-May-2004 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Agima):
she is surely beautiful. Its those eyes!
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 07-May-2004 16:35 GMT
the competition between AmigaONE and Pegasos could be «the best thing to happen to desktop computing in decades»

Why? 99.99% of the desktop computing market will never be even remotely affected by these systems, competition or no competition.

Besides, I guess Dvorak hasn't got a clue what real competition means. Two custom made systems from two manufacturers providing competing but incompatible solutions to a market section so small and insignificant it might as well not exist is hardly the event that will shape desktop computing for decades to come. Real competition means dozens of manufacturers fighting to sell their wares at low margins in a competitive and compatible section of the market. Competition means consumers benefiting from reduced prices as a result rather than having to pay inflated ones in order to make up for the lack of volume.

The Amiga market - or what's left of it - isn't a competitive one. It's a comfort zone.
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Posted by Agima on 07-May-2004 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Bill Hoggett):
>> The Amiga market - or what's left of it - isn't a competitive one.

It would be nice to realse a bran new OS and have more than 0.1% of the market know about it. But that better than a new OS that 0.0% know about right?

You've got to start somewhere. I suppose it's better than releasing a brand new OS in to the market that when it has 'no' existing users.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-May-2004 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Agima):
>> As I said in my previous statement I'm talking about MorphOS native apps, not old Classic Amiga OS 3.9 stuff.

hmm three words...pot, kettle, black.

nuff said
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Posted by Martin Stevens on 07-May-2004 19:37 GMT
Brain washed nonsense. for platforms what still do not offer something like a standard decent web browser, it is laughable to see any fool trying to say they are competitive to Windows/Macs/Linux. regarding the hardware, that is even more laughable to even say museum boards are even slighty competitive, for todays offerings and prices the A1 and Pegs are just shite.

Having faith is one thing but to mislead people in to believing shitty hardware amd operating systems (what have no standard every day tools like other OS`s have) is the future, then it is just wrong and you people should know better.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 07-May-2004 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Andrew Korn):
Andrew, generally you are right, but let me put it this way: see if you can spot the odd one out.

(a) Intel vs AMD
(b) ATI vs nVIDIA
(c) AmigaOne vs Pegasos

In two of those cases the competing companies are pushing each other to produce better and cheaper products all the time, with the consumers being the ultimate big-time winners. In the odd one out the companies are spending most of their time bitching about each other and desperately trying to hide the mediocrity of the products they are trying to sell. In the first two cases the rivalry is limited to the actual products themselves, while overall compatibility is retained, in the odd one out the companies are doing everything in their power to ensure the incompatibility affects all related products and developments as well as their own. See?

There is constructive competition and destructive competition. Dvorak has associated this particular rivalry with the incorrect one.
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Posted by Andrew Korn on 07-May-2004 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill - when I used the word "community" I did not intend to exclude the lead dramatis personae!
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Posted by KenH on 07-May-2004 21:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Bill Hoggett):
"There is constructive competition and destructive competition. Dvorak has associated this particular rivalry with the incorrect one."

You're right about there being two types. But I have a feeling that when things get going, distruction will morph into construction.
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Posted by Kjetil on 07-May-2004 21:50 GMT
This reminds me about the Amiga map drawing some time a go, if any one remembers it
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 07-May-2004 21:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (KenH):
I would use "if" rather than "when". It would require people who are realistic, honest and don't keep their brain covered up by their pants. Let's face it, there's not much sign of anyone like that being involved any day soon.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 07-May-2004 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Andrew Korn):
Bill - when I used the word "community" I did not intend to exclude the lead dramatis personae!

Indeed. I guess I was trying to highlight that corrective measures have to be taken from the top rather than actually correct what you said. Not that any of the "lead dramatis personae" is ever likely to listen...
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-May-2004 07:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (KenH):
So the original name of MOS was DestructOS? :P

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-May-2004 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Emeric SH):
"Will AOS4 incorporate a native PPC browser for free just as MorphOS does?"

There will be native IBrowse 2.3 OEM for the OS4

"When will it provide integrated and transparent 68K JIT/WarpOS/PowerUP support? "

When It Is Done. You can be sure that those will be there when those are ready.

"When will it have 32 bit GUI from ground up including icons? "

What do you mean with 32bit GUI for icons ? Do you know hat you are talking about ? OS4.0 does not have PNG, later versions might have. But OS4 is as much capable showing 24bit/32bit gfx as OS3.9 or MOS is. For PNG-icons answer is again "when it is done"

"Will I be able to connect my Nokia 5510 via USB just like under MorphOS?"

Yes. Tell me atleast one reason why you could not ? OS4.0 does have USB stack. You just need driver for specific USB device. Connecting eg. digital cameras or cellphones is not any problem if you gave USB stack and documentation for the device you want to connect.

"Will there be something like the superbundle for it?"

I'm quite sure there will be.

"And feel free to add some otther "Will there be"s on your own. :)"

Okey I do so:

1) When will MOS have debugging tool like Grim Reaper and gdb integrated into OS ?

2) When will MOS have it's own WB replacement which is comparable to WB3.1 ? Ambient is not as ready as that yet.

3) When will MOS have system like AmigaInput in OS4 ? If you don't know what AmigaInput is then read OS4 specs.

4) When will MOS have new modernized partition tool like MediaToolbox in OS4 ?

5) When will MOS have it's own native TCP/IP stack ?

6) When will MOS have new modernized library API ?

7) When will MOS have

8) When will MOS have native XML support in OS. Eg. standard settings format in OS4 is XML.

9) When will MOS have new native installer ?

10) When will MOS have functionality like in application.library in OS4 ?


9) And finally When will MOS have native ArtEffect ? :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-May-2004 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
"7) When will MOS have "

Feel free to add your or "When will" there :)

"OS4.0 does not have PNG" should be "OS4.0 does not have PNG-icons"

And finally OS4 specs:

http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4FeatureSet.php
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Posted by Kjetil on 08-May-2004 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Emeric SH):
Will AOS4 incorporate a native PPC browser for free just as MorphOS does?

Yes there is free project called A/web and some other projects like AmiZilla, there is allsow progress on Java for Amiga,

When will it provide integrated and transparent 68K JIT/WarpOS/PowerUP support?

Powerup shoud work as normal,

Hyperion did not wont to have mixed binrarys brake the clean design inn AmigaOS40, Just for few apps, so trey are going to have an sepearare program loader for warpup applications, Hyperion expects developers to recompile there programs to take full advantage of new AmigaOS40 features, (application.library,AmigaInput)

When will it have 32 bit GUI

Yes, Warp3D, gadtools, reaction is rewriten to be 32bit,
layers.libary,

including icons?

No not in they first release, if they updated the icons, then it will be inn a boing bag or the next os release. I think PowerIcons 68k works; some one needs to test this.

at this point AmigaOS4.0 supports 256 colors icons whit individual palette, on a 32bit display. (4 icons equls 32bits)

Will I be able to connect my Nokia 5510 via USB just like under MorphOS?

yes, there is a driver for USB Mass Storage devices.

Will there be something like the superbundle for it? And feel free to add some other "Will there be"s on your own. :)

I'm shore there will at some point, there is a contrib directory, and you can upload software to os.amiga.com / ftp.amiga.com if you like to contribute your software/images/etc, as previous the contrived software might endup in boing bag.
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