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[Web] AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support!ANN.lu
Posted on 10-May-2004 10:53 GMT by choochy277 comments
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Today, AmigaShare announces that it has included additional platform support that relates to uploaded software. That is, the Software Library now allows software items to show additional emulation compatibility. These include the following platforms:

* MorphOS v1.4
* AROS
* UAE and E-UAE
* WinUAE
* MacUAE

"It is important that people understand that we are first and foremost an Amiga site; our focus is AmigaOS. We want to encourage everyone to help grow the community to its full potential. That is, we are mindful that Amiga software does run, in emulated mode, on other hosts, so we have allowed for this.", said Chris Nillissen of AmigaShare.

"We also see this may be a perfect opportunity to expose users that are emulating Amiga Software, like UAE users, that aren’t up to date with the latest progress relating to the Amiga Platform!"

Visit www.amigashare.com
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-May-2004 09:18 GMT
Nice, althogh MorphOS and AROS of course runs the software *native* (or not at all). However, UAE emulators exists for those platforms too, so you can run many software titles under Amiga emulation as well.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
>Nice, althogh MorphOS and AROS of course runs the software *native* (or not at
>all).

AFAIK, only an AmigaOne with AmigaOS4 is able to run AmigaOS4 applications natively and only classic 68k Amiga hardware is able to run classic 68k Amiga applications natively. What you say would be true for a classic 68k Amiga hardware version of AROS (if it ever becomes available), but I've never heard of such thing as a classic 68k Amiga hardware version of MorphOS. Both operating systems requires recompiled binaries of the 68k Amiga applications in order to run them natively.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-May-2004 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Sammy Nordström):
What he meant is that AROS is not an emulator of any sort, and MOS includes a 68k emulator, but not is not an emulator by itself.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Sammy Nordström):
API-wise the Amiga 68k and PowerUP/WarpUP applications DO run natively.
The 68k CPU is emulated. The API of the A/Box is the AmigaOS API with
extensions, THAT is it's native API.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Fabio Alemagna):
Well, I just pointed out the error in claiming that MorphOS and AROS runs Amiga software *native* or not at all. I mean, it's actually more close to the truth to say that they run Amiga applications *emulated* or not at all.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
The discussion about APIs and the AmigaOS3.x compatibility is irrelevant, you still need to recompile the sources for x86 or PPC in order for AROS or MorphOS to run the applications natively.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-May-2004 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Sammy Nordström):
> Well, I just pointed out the error in claiming that MorphOS and AROS runs Amiga
> software *native* or not at all. I mean, it's actually more close to the truth
> to say that they run Amiga applications *emulated* or not at all.

Amiga applications are still Amiga applications even when they're run on a non Amiga OS, and if they run natively, that is not emulated, they are native Amiga applications.

What's that you don't understand?
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Amiga applications are still Amiga applications even when they're run on a non
>Amiga OS, and if they run natively, that is not emulated, they are native
>Amiga applications.

Exactly. That's why I said that such statement would be true for a 68k version of AROS when/if it becomes available, for example.

>What's that you don't understand?

Well, there's obviously something that is failing in our communication...
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Sammy Nordström):
Samface, just for once can you butt out...please, take your pedanticism somewhere else. It really does serve no useful purpose.

anti-samface league founder member
AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support! : Comment 10 of 277ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Pedantic? Well, everything is relative. I don't know about you, but atleast there is a difference between 68k emulation and native PPC/x86 binary execution *to me*.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-May-2004 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Sammy Nordström):
> Exactly. That's why I said that such statement would be true for a 68k version
> of AROS when/if it becomes available, for example.

Sure, but that statement is also true for recompiled applications: they're Amiga applications that run natively.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
wrong. MOS still runs lot's of stuff in m68k emulation.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Sammy Nordström):
There *WAS* a 68k AROS once. I tried it on the Amiga ages ago. It replaced parts
of AmigaOS iirc. It was compatible back then. And no, APIs are *NOT* irrelevant.
If they were, no OS, including AmigaOS4 would be able to claim that it runs
Amiga software natively. PowerUP/WarpUP applications are Amiga applications.
WarpOS was "official". Software for these systems run on MorphOS with NO amount
of emulation (with the notable exception of fat binaries containing 68k code).
When any WarpUP program calls an OS function that would cause a context switch
on AmigaOS, it now calls native PPC code without knowing.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Fabio Alemagna):
Well, that depends on what they're recompiled for. One could successfully argue (note: I'm not saying that I am) that an application that doesn't run on Amiga hardware and/or is not compatible with any version of the real AmigaOS is not an Amiga application. For example; would you say that a former 68k Amiga application recompiled for x86 and executed by AROS is an Amiga or an AROS application? I honestly cannot see an obvious answer to this question.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>And no, APIs are *NOT* irrelevant.

Of course APIs are not irrelevant per se, just to the issue at hand.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
It does not matter if API is ame, that's irrelevant. You still need to emulate m68k code or comile your application for the PPC if you want to run native version. Application which needs emulation to run is not native.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
Applicatiopns sure are still AmigaOS applications even if you use emulation to run thos3e. But if you need emulation to run something then you don't run aaplication natively, you run it under emulation. It's irrelevant if the API is same or not if application is not written for the CPU you use.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sammy Nordström):
samface, you just keep on keeping on don't you, kind of like a terrier of some sort.

I really wish there was a samface filter on this website.

There is no new amiga hardware. There is no new amiga os.

Anything else is something new.

A name does not an OS make & a sticker does not a motherboard brand, even though the axis of evil would tell you otherwise in legalese.

anti-samface league founder member
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-May-2004 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sammy Nordström):
> would you say that a former 68k Amiga application recompiled for x86 and
> executed by AROS is an Amiga or an AROS application?

It's both. Don't see why it has to be either one of them.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
OS4 is as much AmigaOS as AmigaOS 3.x etc. It's new version of AmigaOS, if you try to say something else then you don't know what you are talking about.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-May-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Sammy Nordström):
Samface, no need to make a big thing about this. I responded to these statements:

"That is, the Software Library now allows software items to show additional emulation compatibility. These include the following platforms:

* MorphOS v1.4

...

That is, we are mindful that Amiga software does run, in emulated mode, on other hosts, so we have allowed for this."


... which IMHO pictures MorphOS as some kind of an Amiga emulator (especially since it is listed together with Amiga emulators), which of course is not true. Amiga PPC programs runs natively (not emulated) on MorphOS. Amiga 68k programs is run either through 68k CPU emulation, or they are "translated" to PPC-code through the JIT, in exactly the same way it's going to be in Hyperion's OS4 (once they get that far). But this is not the same thing an Amiga emulator (you can of course run Amiga emulators on both AROS, MorphOS and OS4).
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-May-2004 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> would you say that a former 68k Amiga application recompiled for x86 and
>> executed by AROS is an Amiga or an AROS application?

> It's both. Don't see why it has to be either one of them.

Exactly. It's the same thing.
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Posted by itix on 10-May-2004 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Hmm.. if you run CGX software under CGX emulation (P96), you are no longer running Amiga software natively? Or, if you install a FPU emulator for your non-FPU Amiga, you are emulating an Amiga? :P But who cares?
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
You can't run AROS application on MOS, Classic AmigaOS or OS4 then how could it be native AmigaOS application ? I really can't understand your logic. We now have couple of more or less incompatible systems, which all do have applications which don't run on other systems whitout modification or recompilation.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-May-2004 11:50 GMT
This thread is the perfect example of how small minded some people really are.
Instead of being supportive of amigashare.com they rather bicker over the wordings used by the site...

Wether or not MOS is an emulator is a tough question, and it's completely irrelevant to this.

Cheers
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Ehm, I disagree. A Linux application is a Linux application, no matter for which
CPU the precompiled binaries are for. Same with AmigaOS. The apps are Amiga apps
no matter if you compile it for 68k, x86 (AROS or Amithlon) or PPC/ELF (AmigaOS4
and MorphOS).
AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support! : Comment 27 of 277ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
>There is no new amiga hardware. There is no new amiga os.

You're of course entitled to your opinion, just remember that your opinion is not a fact. Fact is that the AmigaOne is the new official successor to the original Amiga 68k hardware just like the IMac is the new official successor to the classic Macintosh 68k hardware and AmigaOS4 is the new official successor to the classic 68k AmigaOS just like MacOSX is the new official successor to the classic 68k MacOS. Anyone saying anything else would have to fight Amiga Inc., KMOS, Hyperion as well as Eyetech in court in order to proove his point. Until then, keep dreaming.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Sammy Nordström):
I agree about AmigaOS but not about the Amiga hardware.
The Amiga hardware is very specific. The hardware available
now is generic hardware licenced with the name Amiga.
AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support! : Comment 29 of 277ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sammy Nordström):
> One could successfully argue [...] that an application that doesn't run on Amiga hardware and/or is not compatible with any version of the real AmigaOS is not an Amiga application

Real Amiga application as opposed to what, those tricky Amiga applications that run on MorphOS? Some people are apparently unnerved by the amount of software running on MorphOS ;-) OS4 can not execute MorphOS applications and vice versa, that's the difference in a nutshell. On the source code level, code for MorphOS is closer to code for AmigaOS3 than code for OS4: if you embrace the way to use libraries "the OS4 way" and use the new types, OS4 source code will look quite different.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Sure, but what if you break the Linux compatibility? I mean, an x86 version of a former 68k Amiga application cannot be executed by any version of AmigaOS. API compatibility in all it's glory, I'd still like to think that CPU compatibility is superior to API compatibility.
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Posted by brotheris on 10-May-2004 12:06 GMT
Very nice move by AmigaShare team. Thanks!
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
AmigaOS4's compatibility is irrelevant. AmigaOS4 doesn't even have to be compatible in order to be an Amiga OS since it IS the AmigaOS. Compare MSDOS application sources with WindowsXP sources, I'm sure you will find quite big differences there as well...
AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support! : Comment 33 of 277ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 10-May-2004 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Sammy Nordström):
Can't you welcome this move by AmigaShare team and shut up atleast this time ? You are right about everything, now go and drink some tea.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Sammy Nordström):
> Sure, but what if you break the Linux compatibility? I mean, an x86 version > of a former 68k Amiga application cannot be executed by any version of > AmigaOS.

A *LINUX* port of a 68k Amiga application has nothing in common with the
original Amiga version.

> API compatibility in all it's glory, I'd still like to think that CPU > compatibility is superior to API compatibility.

API compatability?! Since when is Linux compatible with AmigaOS? Are you serious?

BTW, try to run a 68k linux application under AmigaOS.
CPU compatibility in all it's glory;-)
An AmigaOS program compiled for MorphOS or AROS is the same program through a
different compiler.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 12:20 GMT
BTW, back on topic, this site was really nice without the MOS part, it's even
nicer now! ;-)

Congratulations!
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Sammy Nordström):
MSDOS is NOT the same OS as WindowsXP. Not even Win9x.
MSDOS apps are 16bit applications (or win16, for win3.11).
Windows9x applications are Win32 applications, they have
a totally different API. The DOS/Win16 apps run in a box.
WinNT/2k/XP apps are NOT compatible with anything DOS:-).
Longhorn is supposed to break all compatibility with older OSes.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (brotheris):
You're barking up the wrong tree. I did not bring up this issue about wether MorphOS/AROS runs Amiga applications natively or not, I merely responded to a certain claim made in the beginning of this thread. It was a false claim that I felt needed to be corrected, that's all. I really don't see why anything I've said in this thread would be inflammatory.

As for the topic; good for Amiga emulator users. Enough said.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-May-2004 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Amon_Re):
@ Mr-well-known-big-minded-himself

> Instead of being supportive of amigashare.com they rather bicker over the
> wordings used by the site...

I actually have no idea about what amigashare is, if it's needed or if it's wanted. To be honest, I haven't even visited their site (yet). Is it some kind of Aminet? Whatever ... at least someone is doing some kind of effort to create something, and I think that is really nice! That's what counts!

:-)

I am sure that they only made a mistake with their wordings. In that case, they know better now, and does not have to do the same mistake again. I do hope that is the case, and that they not purpously are trying to degrade AROS and MorphOS to some kind of emulators. Nah, I'm sure it was a only mistake ...

;-)

> Wether or not MOS is an emulator is a tough question

No, it's a very easy question. It *sure as hell* isn't an Amiga emulator. UAE is an Amiga emulator, MorphOS (and AROS) is a reimplementation of AmigaOS that runs Amiga applications natively. Since you damn well know that, it seems like you are only here to troll ...

:-/
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Now you're just acting plain stupid on purpose. Look at what I was replying to.
AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support! : Comment 40 of 277ANN.lu
Posted by ujb on 10-May-2004 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Sammy Nordström):
Samface wrote:

"(...) AmigaOS4 is the new official successor to the classic 68k AmigaOS just like MacOSX is the new official successor to the classic 68k MacOS. Anyone saying anything else would have to fight Amiga Inc., KMOS, Hyperion as well as Eyetech in court in order to proove his point. Until then, keep dreaming."

No, seeing AOS3.x like ClassicMacOS, AOS4 is like MacOS PPC while MOS is like OS X.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Exactly.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-May-2004 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (takemehomegrandma):
" > Wether or not MOS is an emulator is a tough question

No, it's a very easy question. It *sure as hell* isn't an Amiga emulator. UAE is an Amiga emulator, MorphOS (and AROS) is a reimplementation of AmigaOS that runs Amiga applications natively. Since you damn well know that, it seems like you are only here to troll ...

:-/"

No, i'm not here to troll, nor am i saying that MOS is or is not an emulator, it does contain an 68k emu (just like AOS4) and it does mimic the API (they reïmplemented it), some people feel more confortable calling it an emulator, some don't, my point was that it's irrelevant, the results are what count.

Some people also call Wine an emulator, and wine is probably the closest thing comparable to MOS i can come up with.

Leave the question of wether or not it's an emulator to the people themselves.

Cheers
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (ujb):
>...MOS is like OS X.

Not really. Try something along the lines of a closed source and commercial version of Lindows, just replace Linux with Quark and WHINE with the A-Box, or something along those lines...
AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support! : Comment 44 of 277ANN.lu
Posted by ujb on 10-May-2004 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Sammy Nordström):
No Samface. Lindows never wants toi be more than a compatible OS to Windows while MOS will have a future path with the (not yet matured) QBox. There's nothing like teh QBox within Lindows nor is it it in AOS4, but in OSX ther is...
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Posted by tokai on 10-May-2004 12:59 GMT
maybe stupid question: can I link my MorphOS-only software too?

thanks for info.

regards,
tokai
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-May-2004 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Amon_Re):
> Leave the question of wether or not it's an emulator to the people themselves.

No, MorphOS is an *Operating System*, not an emulator. There is absolutely no "question to leave to people themselves" about that!
AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support! : Comment 47 of 277ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (ujb):
Lindows "QBox" and "future path" is Linux. You see, just like MorphOS, they provide their competitor's users with a means to rid their "need" for their competitor's OS in order to make the transition to their OS easier. The metaphor is spot on, IMO.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-May-2004 13:13 GMT
I like the sites layout. Hopefully it gets lots of support.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
Bleh! You're just a BOSF (Blind Operating System Follower). ;-)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-May-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
Fine, go preach to the world then, see if i and the rest of the grown ups care.
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