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[Web] AmigaShare Software Library expands its Platform support!ANN.lu
Posted on 10-May-2004 10:53 GMT by choochy277 comments
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Today, AmigaShare announces that it has included additional platform support that relates to uploaded software. That is, the Software Library now allows software items to show additional emulation compatibility. These include the following platforms:

* MorphOS v1.4
* AROS
* UAE and E-UAE
* WinUAE
* MacUAE

"It is important that people understand that we are first and foremost an Amiga site; our focus is AmigaOS. We want to encourage everyone to help grow the community to its full potential. That is, we are mindful that Amiga software does run, in emulated mode, on other hosts, so we have allowed for this.", said Chris Nillissen of AmigaShare.

"We also see this may be a perfect opportunity to expose users that are emulating Amiga Software, like UAE users, that aren’t up to date with the latest progress relating to the Amiga Platform!"

Visit www.amigashare.com
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Posted by ujb on 10-May-2004 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Sammy Nordström):
No. The Q-Box will get an API which will be kind of similar to the ABox API (or at least kind of inspired by the ABox API, e.g. CGX). Same as with Cacoa/Carbon (IIRC), while the Linux path of Lindows is stuck to Linux APIs (whatever this will be, QT or whatever) and the Windows compatibility layer (wine) is stuck to Windows API.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-May-2004 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Sammy Nordström):
Well, at least my eyes are good enough to see the difference between an operating system and an emulator!
;-)
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-May-2004 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (ujb):
As the official product line, AmigaOS is able to take any future path it likes. MacOSX proved to the world that you don't need to stick to old standards and concepts in order to remain official and "the real thing". The AmigaOS product line share the same freedom. MorphOS on the other hand, is stuck with the A/Box and the old Amiga standards for as long as they want to be refered to as an Amiga alternative. Anything they make that is not compatible with the official AmigaOS product line is MorphOS specific and has absolutely nothing to do with the Amiga platform.

Now, you can argue that present and future Amiga incompatible MorphOS features complies with a certain Amiga "philosophy", which is of course fine as a matter of opinion. However, not everyone agrees that those former Phase5 employees headed by a certain former Pretory SA financed individuals represents the Amiga philosophy well, if they believe in such thing as an Amiga philosophy at all. For the sake of not starting yet another discussion about the Amiga as a philosophy of life or not, please keep those opinions to yourself.
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Posted by ujb on 10-May-2004 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Sammy Nordström):
Why should I keep my opinions for myself?
If you compare AOS4 with OSX and my impression is that OS4 is more like MacOS PPC while MOS is more like OSX I don't know why you can't just accept it. Well we all know that you are somehow bound to the word Amiga or - to be even more correct - to that contract which determines that the HyperionOS will be called AOS. Fine, accepted, agreed. Sure we don't need another discussion about that. But then why the f#?k are coming up again and again with your old *personal* opinions? If you find these discussions fruitless then just leave off the forum.
And to summarize my opinion above - and I do it with technical POV not with a 'contracal' POV - I see MOS more like OS X while AOS 4 more like MacOS PPC.

Reason: OS4 is just a translated and improved AOS 3.x while MOS has the AOS 3.x API boxed and offers another box for future developments. Exacly the way OS X did for MacOS, only MOS is not called Amiga and the QBox is definately not ready yet.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 10-May-2004 14:56 GMT
"Fine, go preach to the world then, see if i and the rest of the grown ups care."

It has been explained to you a thousand times, what is an emulator and what is an Operating System. If you keep insisting and repeating that MorphOS is cheese, fine, but that won't turn MorphOS into one.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-May-2004 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Emeric SH):
Care to quote me saying MOS is an emulator? You should read what i wrote before pressing "Reply"
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Posted by Pixie on 10-May-2004 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
No, MorphOS is an *Operating System*, not an emulator. There is absolutely no "question to leave to people themselves" about that!

MorphOS only run *Amiga programs* trough emulation, be by a warper, by cpu emulation or both, Amiga programs are by definition 68k even the past PPC ones would have calls to 68k, his native stuff on the other hand is MorphOS programs *not* AmigaOS... MorphOS!=AmigaOS

Nevertheless I want to salut the team behind this project as it always good to see people acomplishing things, rather then discussing them.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-May-2004 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (ujb):
> Reason: OS4 is just a translated and improved AOS 3.x while MOS has the AOS 3.x API boxed and offers another box for future developments

As far as I can see, from a purely technical point of view, OS4 and MorphOS are almost identical. They are 99% AmigaOS. All those well-known APIs. For some reason, a tiny part of software installed on Pegasos computers is called "box". It isn't a box. A box implies that you have a full-blown OS with user interface, windows, services etc. and that insidfe that environment, you run an older OS. That is not the case. If it makes you happy to call a tiny part of sofwtare "box", so be it, but by and large, MorphOS is not radically different from OS4: just a re-implementation of an older OS on PPC hardware.
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (ujb):
>> If you compare AOS4 with OSX and my impression is that OS4 is more like MacOS PPC while MOS is more like OSX

MorphOS being similar to MacOSX doesn't make it a Mac nor does it make it an Amiga so who cares?

MorphOS will only ever run Amiga OS apps up to AOS 3.9... it has no future in Amiga affairs from there on out... only MorphOS affairs. I think the only reason so many MorphOS users post here is because they don't have any real applications of their own and they have to leech off Amiga OS 3.9 apps.
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Posted by Jupp3 on 10-May-2004 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Sammy Nordström):
>MorphOS on the other hand, is stuck with the A/Box and the old Amiga standards for as long as they want to be refered to as an Amiga alternative.

Can't see why it would be like YOU seem to want it to be.

I could preach to you about forthcoming qbox, but you see (and ignore) that in most reply comments anyway...

But even current ABOX has features that have been improved from what they were on amiga; Take a look at ANR for example. You can't have that kind of window on "classic amigaos". MUI has lots of addons, such as gradients, easier jumping between screens, better looking buttons etc... Then the OS supports vector fonts. And they work on most programs without program even knowing, they aren't "regular" bitmap fonts!
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Agima):
Hmm, please tell me, what is that extremelly creative reason for which you post
here? Is it something that starts with a male cow and ends with it's droppings?
I guessed so...
F*cking trolls...
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
@ Alkis Tsapanidis

What?

I have a valid point. What if we went back a few years.... and.... MorphOS ran Mac68k apps in a 'Box'? Apple of course moved over to PPC for Mac apps. So what good would MorphOS be at that point to the "Mac World"? It runs outdated Mac 68k... wooo hoo!! Mac users are all on to Newer Versions of PPC Mac.

So MorphOS runs 68k Amiga 3.9 and prior apps... Now that Amiga OS 4 is PPC only and will be moving in that direction what good is MorphOS gonna be to the "Amiga World"?

MorphOS will have their own apps as will Amiga OS 4 and the fact that they both have some sort of legacy support for "68k" will be pretty much irrelivent.

My guess is at some point 68k legacy will be dropped from both OSes and then they won't even have that in common.
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Posted by priest on 10-May-2004 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
It was built to be an imitator. ;-)

The long term plan is to build it to be better than the original.

Now it seems to be a mix of the imitated original, plus some new features.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Agima):
In order for the emulation to be dropped both OSes will have to get over a
thousant titles of new software to compensate for the old stuff. That will
not happen anytime soon. Why is MorphOS relevant? Because it's an alternative
path. Bear with it, most of us are people who eat, drink and breath Amiga
and yet we choose MorphOS. The community is a BIG thing theyhave in common.
It's *SHARED*. Bear with it. We don't need another shortsighted poster here.
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Posted by itix on 10-May-2004 17:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Agima):
There are differences... They were not claiming "I saw MacOS X in 1990" like some other people do, they still own MacOS IP which was created by their own, their userbase was not dead, MacOS was not dead and they were not in the voucher scam market. Apple provided OS X in time and they are living still. If MacOS was in same situation like AmigaOS is now then MorphOS lookalike could be very interesting and highly appreciated. Would you wait for an official MacOS update instead? Your reasoning is against you.
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Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 10-May-2004 18:08 GMT
I see that they got and read my feedback! :)

"Leave no Amigans behind."
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>In order for the emulation to be dropped both OSes will have to get over a
thousant titles of new software to compensate for the old stuff.

And eventually when programs are written for Amiga OS 4.xx and no longer for Amiga 3.9?


>>Why is MorphOS relevant? Because it's an alternative
path. Bear with it, most of us are people who eat, drink and breath Amiga
and yet we choose MorphOS

It's an alternative that's right. Like Linux or Lindows is an alternative to Windows. Doesn't mean you should go around trolling on Windows XP sites does it?
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Posted by Jupp3 on 10-May-2004 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Agima):
>So MorphOS runs 68k Amiga 3.9 and prior apps...

True. In addition to that also Classic Amiga PPC apps and MorphOS native apps.

>What good is MorphOS gonna be to the "Amiga World"?

I'm not saying it is/was "good for AmigaOS", but MorphOS stopped many from leaving "*Amiga screne" while AmigaOS was announced dead and AmigaDE the future, and no official development was done.

Later on official AmigaOS was "brought back from the dead" (and not *THAT* long after that actual coding was started)

If I would have had only Classic AmigaOS and it was made clear, it wouldn't be continued, I would have likely left "*Amiga scene".

But after MorphOS had proven, that PPC native reimplementation of AmigaOS is possible and "official" AmigaOS is now going to do the same, why should I now "come back"?

*(With Amiga I mean here software that is created by Amiga users, not just "official" Amiga, like AmigaOS3.1)
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Agima):
Linux wasn't programmed by people who kept Windows alive for you to be able to
use it all these years, unlike MorphOS.
Linux isn't anything like WindowsXP.
DO something for the fucking community and market and THEN come here and tell me
what to do.
All these years I think that I did my best helping Amiga users and even devs
by betatesting their products.
I spent over half my life in this fucking community.
I can only say one thing to whiners like you: *FUCK YOU!*
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Posted by Jupp3 on 10-May-2004 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (itix):
>If MacOS was in same situation like AmigaOS is now then MorphOS lookalike could be very interesting and highly appreciated. Would you wait for an official MacOS update instead?

What if Apple announced that "Classic MacOS (up to MacOS X) is dead", and "this new Microsoft Windows X... sorry... MacOS XP will be the future", would you still wait for official update to that MacOS X, you always liked?
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
If you want Mac OS visit Mac sites not other sites constantly telling everyone Morph OS is better.

If you want Windows OS visit Windows sites not other sites constantly telling everyone Morph OS is better.

If you want Linux OS visit Linux sites not other sites constantly telling everyone Morph OS is better.

If you want Amiga OS visit Amiga sites not other sites constantly telling everyone Morph OS is better.

If you want Morph OS visit Morph OS sites not AMIGA, MAC, WINNDOWS, OR LINUX sites constantly telling everyone Morph OS is better.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Agima):
DID I EVER TELL YOU THAT MORPHOS IS BETTER YOU IDIOT!?

Tell me... *DID I?*

Watch where you point your bullshit! I say that you should get your head out
of your butt and accept that not all people chose the same Amiga like solution
as you. It doesn't automatically alienate us from the WIDE Amiga community!
Of course I would be GLAD if it alienated me from idiots like you!
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Jupp3):
Yeah, yeah, yeah...

So Bill Buck saved the Amiga not split the community?

I think Buck couldn't get the 'Real' OS so he had to create his "Own Private Amiga".


And great MorphOS with it's "BOX" approach is the dogs bawls... Fine!! Go over to MorphOS and have fun with your BOX. Stop telling people that choose Amiga OS 4 that MorphOS is the 'real' solution and that it's SOOOO much better. If you want to talk about your MorphOS in an Amiga forum (or Linux in a Windows forum) be polite!
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Agima):
It's you should be polite, by not generalizing and accusing people you don't
know. Go back home.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Agima):
BTW, just to inform you, MorphOS was here WAY before Bill Buck.
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>It's you should be polite, by not generalizing and accusing people you don't
know.


I'm not generalizing they all do it...
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-May-2004 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You know, technicly, that's not correct, Bill Buck is alot older then MOS or AOS even :P

Now, to all the sad sods still discussing this, get out of your chairs, walk to the fridge, get a beer, and watch some telly, you'll all feel better when you do
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Agima):
"I do not generalise... <snip> ...they all do it."

That's VERY intelligent. :-)
Do I ever claim that MorphOS is better that AmigaOS4? All I ever said is that
each one has it's own strenghts and weaknesses and I *AM* a LONGtime MorphOS
user.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Amon_Re):
Sorry, computers, guitars and beer are my life and I *DO* take my life too
seriously:-)
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>"I do not generalise... <snip> ...they all do it."

>That's VERY intelligent. :-)


It was a joke :)

I didn't mean to accuse you... just pushed reply on your post.

MorphOS is great I'm sure. Aside from OS3.9 backward compatibility I see Amiga OS 4.0 and MorphOS going in different directions... which is good... they're just different.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2004 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Agima):
Fine, just remember that MorphOS will feature stuff interesting for any average
Amiga user for a long time.
The best solution IMHO is what I will do: Use both!
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>> The best solution IMHO is what I will do: Use both!

It would be cool if there was a port of MorphOS for the MicroA. Hmmm...both AOS4 and MorphOS in one tiny little box....

My guess is that MorphOS will be tied to the Peg platform for quite a while though ( and I'm guess AOS will be running on any PPC board BUT the Peg unfortunatly) But that's a whole different story....
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Posted by Jupp3 on 10-May-2004 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Agima):
>I think Buck couldn't get the 'Real' OS so he had to create his "Own Private Amiga".

Trying to rewrite the history again, I see...


>Fine!! Go over to MorphOS and have fun with your BOX.

Doing that all the time.

>Stop telling people that choose Amiga OS 4 that MorphOS is the 'real' solution and that it's SOOOO much better.

So far, I've
-corrected some peoples' comments about MorphOS (about MorphOS being tied to what WB3.x is)
-told my opinion on what good morphos had done (imho) for community (okay, said a few bad words about Amiga inc. but hey, they're not the creators of AmigaOS 4.0, and secondly, they don't even OWN it anymore!)

>If you want to talk about your MorphOS in an Amiga forum (or Linux in a Windows forum) be polite!

If you didn't notice, my post you replied to didn't say anything about morphos.

Secondly, this site is "Alternative Network News" iirc (correct me if I'm wrong), not "Amiga (only) site"
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Posted by Jupp3 on 10-May-2004 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Agima):
>and I'm guess AOS will be running on any PPC board BUT the Peg unfortunatly

My guess is AOS(4) will be running on only "Amiga certified" hardware (with copy protection) as previously announced.

Oh, and PPC equipped "Classic Amigas" too (like MorphOS)
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Posted by Agima on 10-May-2004 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Jupp3):
>>My guess is AOS(4) will be running on only "Amiga certified" hardware (with copy protection) as previously announced.

>>Oh, and PPC equipped "Classic Amigas" too (like MorphOS)

Exactly. I was of course refering to the fact that Hyperion is a software company and will want to license/port Amiga OS to other viable platforms.

Genesi on the other had is a hardware company and it is in their best interest not to have MorphOS run on anything other than the Peg. By that I just mean it doesn't seem likely it will be ported to something like the MicroA1 which was what my original comment was about, having MorphOS and Aos4 in one box on the MicroA1....
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 10-May-2004 21:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Really? Such as?
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 10-May-2004 22:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Jupp3):
MOS for CSPPC/BPPC is still the more than 3 year old 0.4 release, it is not an OS, it is very much just an emulator. And it's also a dead parrot.
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Posted by Darth_X on 10-May-2004 23:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Agima):
> And eventually when programs are written for Amiga OS 4.xx and no longer for Amiga 3.9?


And who is going to write all those lovely OS4 native apps, you? ;)
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Posted by Choochy on 11-May-2004 00:14 GMT
Hi,

I am truely sorry about the wording and the fact that it caused such an arguement/discussion.

I hope that you can appreciate that I was trying to fit all those Platforms/Emulators into one short news article and I dont know how many times I had to rewrite it b4 I was happy with it.

The most important thing is that we now provide support for them. I forgot Amithilon by the way, thats supported too.

Please Support AmigaShare by registering an account now.

Regards,

Chris Nillissen
AmigaShare.com Team Member

PS I guess MorphOS is more of a VM then a Emulator yes?
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Posted by Darth_X on 11-May-2004 00:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
leave the dead parrots to Monty Python ;)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-May-2004 01:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Choochy):
First of all, I can't register. Whether I have ticked the "terms and conditions"-box or not, I always get a requester "you must agree to the terms and conditions of registering". Using IBrowse here.

Second, "current Amiga-hardware" does not have option "None."

Oh, and Amithlon is mis-spelled aswell :)
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Posted by Choochy on 11-May-2004 02:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (hooligan/dcs):
Thanks for that! The first one we are looking into, we still have plenty of fixs for Amiga Browsers to do. I need IBrowse 2.3!!! :-)

The second and third ones are fixed!

Regards,

Chris Nillissen
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-May-2004 03:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Agima):
Bunny Hormons split the community, not Bill Buck... MorphOS was there
before BIll Buck was involved
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Posted by Choochy on 11-May-2004 03:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (hooligan/dcs):
Can you please try to register again and let me know if it works now

Many Thanks

Chris Nillissen
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Posted by priest on 11-May-2004 03:58 GMT
Argh! I'm blind I do not see the split! No matter what hormons I take...

I'm worried that there could become a split. But so far most users have not taken sides. And same for almost every SANE developer.

Let's keep it that way.

(fanatic loudmouths exist, one just need to see through all that noice)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-May-2004 04:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Choochy):
Would like to, but at the moment I'm at work using NT4/IE ... could someone else please try if registering works on IBrowse?
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-May-2004 05:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (ujb):
I would say that MOS is 8.x with the 7.x box. MacOS 8.x used a box for pre 8.x software didn't you know? Simply because the Q-Box so thin that it nearly doesn't exist and because you can crash your entire computer from the MacOS7.x /A Boxes. Yes, as we have the drivers in the unstable A-box things will keep on hangin'
AmigaOS4 would be ummm 7.x with extensions maybe... but it's difficult to compare with MacOS when AmigaOS4 has as standard virtualized memory and functions to control memory that use the MMU and you can catch accesses to certain memory areas if you want and MorphOS isn't capable of doing this in any of the two boxes. So MorphOS is something more similar to Amithlon than to MorphOS. Well, actually, the Linux kernel is much more useful than Quark because it does his aim correctly, the drivers are usually on linux and not in the OS3.x emulation...
Let's say that MOS is an amithlon environment without endianess problems and with the drivers inside the emulation instead of keepin' them inside Linux. And of course we have native components and the host OS kernel /A-Box isn't technically an emulation, but I hope you get my point.
Yes, OS4 would be like 7.x or 8.x and MOS like OSX, but without all the technical advantages. Why? because the Q-Box is so thin that it isn't useful to create programs (so you would have MacOS X without programs that took advantage of Aqua and that would keep on using the old APIs even if recompiled)
and the A-Box is so limited that it doesn't offer advanced memory management like ExecSG, so yeah... it would be MacOS X with a Match kernel with the MMU disabled.

I would add that I can't see so easy to compare OS4/MOS with MacOS7,8&9/MacOS X due to this stuff. If Quark was advanced and we would be able to run native quark programs and the drivers were in the Q_Box I would think that yes, MOS is like MacOS X. But no, I don't think so because it doesn't have functions to control memory as advanced as OS4 (well, in fact, an OS3.x with the MMU.library has more advanced memory functions than MOS, sad, isn't it?)

As long as Ralph Schmidt continues without giving information about that functions MOS will be as powerful as OS3 without MMU.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 11-May-2004 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Amon_Re):
""Care to quote me saying MOS is an emulator? You should read what i wrote before pressing "Reply""

Jolly good. Could you be a bit more clear then: is MorphOS an emulator or not? Answer with YES or NO. Then I'll repeat what I and many others have already told and explained to you.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 11-May-2004 05:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Agima):
" So MorphOS runs 68k Amiga 3.9 and prior apps... Now that Amiga OS 4 is PPC only and will be moving in that direction what good is MorphOS gonna be to the "Amiga World"?"

Without MorphOS SongPlayer and a few other Amiga apps would be dead. Those who updated SongPlayer for MorphOS already made a 68K version, and many MorphOS software has a 68K equivalent - despite ppl like you telling them to go away.

The last time I checked when ANR was about to be MorphOS only and go away, it was hell what they've received, and were traitors of Amiga in an instant.

Just like everyone else is, who didn't sit fiddling with their fingers since 2001 august, when the AmigaONE/OS4 project turned out to be an outright lie, and didn't wait for just two weeks (which is some 3 years now) for the Amiga Inc solution. Mind you, ppl are still waiting for the prerelease, and a full release is still nowhere in sight. Without MorphOS there'd be only Windows users and only a handful of fanatic Amiga users on amiga sites. (Not that the situation is that much better) I was lucky, my Amiga died only a few months after I had my Pegasos.

If there were no Pegasos, I'd be off and far away now. Which would of course only delight you :) But I honesly say, I was at some point fed up with the lies and deception, and choose what was available. It was clear (well, almost) that OS4 will make it one day, but to be honest, there is still no one who could set a release date, not to mention when it will provide everything MorphOS does now.
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Posted by ujb on 11-May-2004 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Anonymous):
Okay, if going into detail you'll see MOS is neither like Amithlon nor OS X. Technical it maybe inbetween. Pricipally there is the box system (ABox, QBox, #?Box) with an own private kernel controlling all boxes (Quark). Currently there is a kernel (Quark) and one Box (ABox), this is similar to Amithlon, BUT ABox has full hardware access (execpt MMU) and does not need a processor emulator nor needs AOS (well, if you would merge Amithlon with AROS x86 I guess you would really get something like MOS x86...). That is now.
In future when the QBox arrives it will be more like OS X, drivers will reside within Q and the ABox is really boxed (i.e. controlable by Q). Same as with OS X. But it is true, this will happen somewhen in future.
AOS4 has no box concept currently, it is "only" a recompiled (disclaimer: enhanced, retargetable, and bugfixed, etc.) OS3.x for PPC with a new kernel (execSG). Thing is, execSG has not those options Quark offers. De facto and for use they will be both quite similiar for the next time. It's only MOS has a build in future path, while AOS hasn't. That's all and from this simple little fact the comparison arose that if AOS 3.x would be like MacOS 68k, AOS will be like MacOS PPC and MOS like OSX (currently with only the classic box).
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