| [News] Pre-Realese announcement | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 13-May-2004 20:17 GMT by ece | 227 comments
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After consultation with our German CD production partner, House of Audio, Hyperion Entertainment is pleased to announce that the Developer Pre-Release of AmigaOS 4.0 is now tentatively scheduled for May 21th, 2004.
Leuwen, Belgium - May 13 2004.
The AmigaOS 4.0 CD will be distributed through your AmigaOne dealer.
Source: Amigaworld.net
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 51 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 14-May-2004 08:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 44 (Framiga):
"If Hyperion posts a news . . .you aren't happy.
If Hyperion doesn't post a news . . . you aren't happy too.
What the hell do you prefer?"
I think the attitude here is a bit better than in their official lair. Where it goes on like:
OS4 is ready
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
OS4 is almost ready
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
A few more components.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
One medium and some small problem to solve.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
It's almost there.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
Well, major components are not PPC yet.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
Some key components aren't integrated yet.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
It's almost ready now.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
Well, it will be a developer pre-release.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
The pre-release will be out soon!
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
Not that soon, but it will be out.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
It gone gold.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy!
It will be delayed a bit further.
Great news! OMG Hyperion, you're the best! We're not worthy! |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 52 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 14-May-2004 08:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Rassilon):
Awww.... did he hurt your feelings. Of course, a Teron with an Eyetech sticker on it is a real Amiga. Just ignore nasty Seehund, he only does it to annoy you. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 53 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 09:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (hooligan/dcs):
"why not release MOS1.5 the same day hehe"
Maybe because MOS1.5 doesn't exists? :) |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 54 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Álmos Rajnai on 14-May-2004 09:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Emeric SH):
Ah, Emeric, you again... |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 55 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon on 14-May-2004 09:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (Lando):
@Lando
ho hum - no he didn't hurt my feelings and I doubt anyone else's. Its just that it seems a very petty thing to do.
You are right with respect to Eyetech relabling products, but if we are refering to the computers marketed by Eyetech that run OS4 then it would be correct to refer to them as AmigaOne's and not Teron's.
At the end of the day as said he only does it to wind people up, which it does, but more it shows him to be an imature and slow witted individual who can't tell when a joke has gotten past its sell buy date!
Happy :o) |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 56 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Gill on 14-May-2004 09:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Emeric SH):
What's the problem here?
Hyperion said last month "We'll send the ISO/CD/whatever to the duplicators at date D", and they did. Nothing to complain about.
Now, people are very anxious about when they will actually get their hands on the release, and since Hyperion has now been told by the duplicators that they will send back the copies today, or yesterday depending on the speed of the post distribution, they make this statement because they estimate that they should be able to prepare the CDs for shipment to the dealers in time frame E.
It does contain an ambiguity with respect to what will actually happen on friday. Sending to dealers, or dealers ready to send the CDs to the users. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 57 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-May-2004 09:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Peg2):
Of course it doesn't exist. It exists the day it's released.
Doh. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 58 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Analnymous on 14-May-2004 09:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 55 (Rassilon):
Petty indeed. I wonder if there is people who get some sort of pleasure from calling Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T card as a rebadged Technotrend budget card? |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 59 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 09:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Emeric SH):
It seems people from the blue side looking forward for OS4 more than the red side. Why? Aren't they statisfied with their system? |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 60 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-May-2004 09:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 58 (Analnymous):
>I wonder if there is people who get some sort of pleasure from calling Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T card as a rebadged Technotrend budget card?
I just came. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 61 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 09:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (hooligan/dcs):
Just like OS4.
Doh. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 62 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 09:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 59 (Peg2):
Ooops, typo: statisfied = satisfied ;) I need a coffie... |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 63 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Paul Gadd on 14-May-2004 09:51 GMT | Nothing new in Amiga land. Hyperion still making stupid announcements and silly followers take the bait.
Hyperion makes amateurs look good. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 64 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-May-2004 09:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Rassilon):
> I ask because obviously it winds me up.
Then perhaps you should get worried. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 65 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 14-May-2004 10:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 59 (Peg2):
"It seems people from the blue side looking forward for OS4 more than the red side. Why? Aren't they statisfied with their system?"
Again the one world one OS approach, like Microsoft? I already have 3 OSes on my Pegasos :) And yes, curious about OS4 as well. It's just the attitude - if something going wrong MorphOS users used to complain, and neither apologise for every single letter of it that they dared to ask, nor treating the developers as superhuman beings. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 66 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alan Anthony on 14-May-2004 10:11 GMT | Cor, what a lot of fuss.
This is what I believe Hyperion were saying...
The Cds have with the pre on have been produced.
The makers will ship them Thurs/Fri this week.
Hyperion will get them Mon/Tues next week.
Dealers will get them Friday next week.
Providing no problems arise.
If anyone doesn't understand any of the words used above please don't spend the next 40 comments arguing about it.
Alan |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 67 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 14-May-2004 10:17 GMT | Oh well, I think those of us who have not pre-paid our OS4 shouldn't
really complain - even though of course we have the right to be
puzzled and impatient too.
But anyway, I'm not sure Hyperion's decision to use fancy printing and
stuff is that bad really. Who's going to buy their OS anyway? Well,
of course, there will be some who are just interested in another
alternative (and have tons of cash lying around to buy an A1). But for
their "core market" it's probably a bit different. These are the
people who have sworn never to look seriously at MorphOS for example.
They are probably mostly using Windows. Many who bought their A1 over
a year ago never really used it. And I think it's a fair assumption to
make that even if/when OS4 is actually released, they will continue to
mainly use Windows. For this group, OS4 is as much of a collectors
item, something which gives them admittance to a club, as something
they will actually use.
This is why it doesn't really matter what OS4 does or is. It's not
"great" by virtue of its merits, but because of what it represents.
Oh, so important Amiga software doesn't run anymore? That's just
great! Oh, so it's discovered at last minute that TCP has to be
redesigned because of poor OS design/performance? Wow, this rules! Oh,
so we have to wait two months more because a release which is far from
final and will quickly be obsoleted, must absolutely be packaged in a
6-colour printed cover. That's just awesome! |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 68 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-May-2004 10:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Johan Rönnblom):
> Oh, so it's discovered at last minute that TCP has to be
> redesigned because of poor OS design/performance?
Hum, did I miss anything, or was that just an example? |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 69 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 10:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Fabio Alemagna):
Not TCP/IP, the driver sub systems, rewritten to gain more performance, due 68k registry context switching slow down, |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 70 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alan Anthony on 14-May-2004 10:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> Oh, so it's discovered at last minute that TCP has to be
>> redesigned because of poor OS design/performance?
>Hum, did I miss anything, or was that just an example?
No, he is just being condescending.
Alan |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 71 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 10:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Fabio Alemagna):
Barthel's TCP/IP stack was done since before Hyperion decided to use it for their OS, wasn't it?
Looks like a mere brainfart, substituting 'RTG' with 'TCP.' |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 72 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-May-2004 10:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (Kjetil):
> , due 68k registry context switching slow down,
Once, on ANN, I made some comments on why AOS4 gfx performances looked so poor, considering all the factors that were involved, on the basis of what we all knew about AOS4 and how it worked. One of the reasons I gave was that the gfx subsystem was still emulated, and that the emulation involved costly context switching, due to the fact the MMU was used.
I got a reply from one of the Hyperion guys in which I was told that no MMU was involved, and that the context switching was not what was causing the slow down.
Oh well... I must say I got used to this kind of behaviour. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 73 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 11:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (Paul Gadd):
@Paul:
And you're as clever as always. I'll just let the seep in. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 74 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon on 14-May-2004 11:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Fabio Alemagna):
@Fabio
Of all people I would expect you to understand - as many people's comments about AROS wind you up. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 75 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-May-2004 11:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (Rassilon):
> Of all people I would expect you to understand - as many people's comments
> about AROS wind you up.
Really? I can't remember one only occasion where I got winded up about someone saying anything about AROS. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 76 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 11:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 65 (Emeric SH):
"if something going wrong MorphOS users used to complain,"
Used to? They are always(!) complain even if something goes good...
'The bulls masked behind a butterfly are always attacking when they are seeing red colour...' |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 77 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 14-May-2004 11:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 76 (Peg2):
"They are always(!) complain even if something goes good... "
"Goes good"? For example? |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 78 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon on 14-May-2004 11:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 75 (Fabio Alemagna):
@Fabio
perhaps then I have confused you with some other AROS developer. But I imagine if someone consistently, on every Amiga news site, referred to AROS as an Amiga emulator it would get up your nose a bit.
I think its just that the novelty of Seehunds joke has worn off, and that in every comment he makes on a website he manages to get a mention of a 'teron board'.
We all know the point he wants to make so surely that should be it by now?
heh the funny thing is that I rarely post, but Seehund always manages to hit a nerve! :o/ |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 79 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 11:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 46 (code):
So they should just read all baseless insults people say here whitout doing anything ?
It was users here who started this, not guys from Hyerion. And it's not first time this happens. You guys (readers here) really know how to insult people. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 80 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 11:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 77 (Emeric SH):
""Goes good"? For example?"
OS4 goes gold, PowerIcons ported to OS4, etc...etc...
It seems you are just looking for bad news only... Shame on you! |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 81 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 11:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Emeric SH):
Attitude here is better ?? You have strange sensce of humor. people here are stupid morons, so attitude here sure is not better. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 82 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by opi on 14-May-2004 11:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 78 (Rassilon):
,,referred to AROS as an Amiga emulator it would get up your nose a bit.''
Because AROS is not Amiga emulator? |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 83 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 11:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (Fabio Alemagna):
I did not say anything about mmu, AmigaOS40 share library’s whit 68k however how they are accessed is quite different, 68k programs uses registers, PPC programs uses stack, so you need to convert the arguments before pasting it on to the library function, this is how I se it.
It’s not a design problem it’s an emulation problem, |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 84 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-May-2004 11:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 78 (Rassilon):
> But I imagine if someone consistently, on every Amiga news site, referred to
> AROS as an Amiga emulator it would get up your nose a bit.
Nope, it wouldn't. I would first try to explain why it's not an emulator, and then, if he/she insisted, I would just ignore him/her. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 85 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Agima on 14-May-2004 12:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (Seehund):
Oh my god the sky is falling!!! You Blue troll! Go away!!
"Bill Buck is a 'Meconium Stain' on the reputation of MorphOS and the Pegasos."
--Agima © 2004 |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 86 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 14-May-2004 12:01 GMT | It seems you are just looking for bad news only... Shame on you!
Look up my comments on the issues you've mentioned before insulting me :) I'll spare you the digging, here it is: (AOS4 goes gold)
I think it's surely one of the softwares awaited with the most anticipation. Wishing all earlybird users joy with their choice :)
Shame on me :) How about you? Do you have something nice to say to us "blue bulls" too? :) Or just here for trolling? |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 87 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-May-2004 12:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 83 (Kjetil):
> I did not say anything about mmu,
You did not, but we all know the emulator uses the MMU to catch when a program tries to execute 68k code.
> AmigaOS40 share library’s whit 68k however how they are accessed is quite
> different, 68k programs uses registers, PPC programs uses stack, so you need
> to convert the arguments before pasting it on to the library function, this
> is how I se it.
Actually, if you want to go into such details, the most common PPC ABI, the one also AmigaOS4 uses, specifies that the 1st 8 parameters go into registers, rather than on the stack, but that's surely not the issue here.
> It’s not a design problem it’s an emulation problem,
If you say so... fact remains that there's a context switching performance issue, or so you say, which was negated some time ago by some of the Hyperion guys. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 88 of 227 | ANN.lu |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 89 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon on 14-May-2004 12:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 84 (Fabio Alemagna):
@Fabio
fine then, lucky on your part.
Its a pity that you are unable to see how tiresome Seehund has become. As I have wasted more than enough of this thread I shall leave it there. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 90 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-May-2004 12:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (Leif):
"tentatively" is used widely enough in the english language, but not very often when making release announcements.
In this case it means: "we want to announce something to keep our name in the news, but we're not ready yet so here some fluff instead.", or "we'll give you a date, but don't blame us if we don't deliver by then."
Carry on with the farce folks!
At least the other side have stopped making arses of themselves, willingly or otherwise. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 91 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 12:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 86 (Emeric SH):
"It seems you are just looking for bad news only... Shame on you!
Look up my comments on the issues you've mentioned before insulting me :) I'll spare you the digging, here it is: (AOS4 goes gold)
I think it's surely one of the softwares awaited with the most anticipation. Wishing all earlybird users joy with their choice :)"
So, regarding to your earlier post:
" "Goes good"? For example?"
So, was it a bad news? Or you've just forgotten what kind of news were you posted 'comments' ? Pity...
"Shame on me :) How about you? Do you have something nice to say to us "blue bulls" too? :) Or just here for trolling?"
Yes, I'm playing stupid, and then playing smart...without luck... Yes! And I'm posting stupid text to annoy people in their topic, while I doesn't care really their products. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 92 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jerry on 14-May-2004 12:15 GMT | More bullshit from Hyperion. The amount of cds you guys want would take at most a couple of days at a professional company same goes with lables. liars, thats all you are, a group of liars. then you have the Frieden prats making stupid insults against people on this website. shows how professional you people really are.
It would be better if you Friedens (especially you Hermans) would stop making stupid misleading announcements and start producing something useful. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 93 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 14-May-2004 12:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 92 (Jerry):
And more bullshit from a troll...Bad try, you can sit back. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 94 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 12:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (Fabio Alemagna):
I don’t think they neglected a performance hit, depending on how large the emulation/ translation layer is, if you have full scaled box design, I quite shore you run more instructions the a tin translation layer for registers, stack arguments etc,
I have yet to se an emulator that do not give any performance hit compared whit native running programs. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 95 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 14-May-2004 12:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 91 (Peg2):
"So, was it a bad news? Or you've just forgotten what kind of news were you posted 'comments' ? Pity..."
To be honest, that it's still not here and still no exact release date can be set, and that it takes so much time is not that good news. Mind you, delays in Pegasos II production were not good news as well, but you seem to find it good news nevertheless. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 96 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Stefan Burström on 14-May-2004 12:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (Fabio Alemagna):
>You did not, but we all know the emulator uses the MMU to catch when a program tries to execute 68k code.
Huh? Do we? When I ported MUI to PPC I didn't rely at all on the MMU. All I had
to do was to call Emulate() whenever I knew I wanted to execute code from an m68k class. You cannot call an m68k library unless you have an interface emulation library available for it since AOS4 uses interfaces for its library calls. So íf you open p96 from PPC, you will open p96.l.main which in turn will call Emulate() on each and every p96 function that is available. (This is of course transparent to the programmer, he doesn't have to know that the library he is using is a pure ppc lib or an emulated m68k lib)
So, no MMU was involved here. The only time the MMU is usefull is when you are running JIT'ed code and the code makes function pointer calls into m68k code where you have no idea that the code is actually m68k. (Unless you add a test on every indirect call to see if the destination is ppc or m68k, which adds quite some overhead in JIT'ed code)
regards,
Stefan |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 97 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 14-May-2004 13:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 90 (Bill Hoggett):
"In this case it means: "we want to announce something to keep our name in the news, but we're not ready yet so here some fluff instead.", or "we'll give you a date, but don't blame us if we don't deliver by then.""
They are getting constant requests from the A1 owners to say exactly when the OS will arrive. They promised to announce any news at all as it comes in. This is one such announcement.
I don't think it is aimed at those of us who do not own an AmigaOne.
After the long wait, the A1 owners are so impatient that they are giving off sparks. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 98 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by 4737 Carling Sir! on 14-May-2004 13:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 90 (Bill Hoggett):
"At least the other side have stopped making arses of themselves, willingly or otherwise."
'tis a shame you haven't tho'
8-/ |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 99 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mark on 14-May-2004 13:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (Don Cox):
: After the long wait, the A1 owners are so impatient that they are giving off sparks.
The AmigaOne owners are to blame for being so stupid in the first place. they bought the hardware knowing they will have to wait for the main OS, now they have the cheek to complain. it serves them right and they should have thought about that instead of splashing money on hopes. |
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| Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 100 of 227 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 13:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 90 (Bill Hoggett):
> At least the other side have stopped making
> arses of themselves, willingly or otherwise
Shame you can't, eh? ;-) |
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