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[Events] Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5ANN.lu
Posted on 17-May-2004 10:28 GMT by Alkis Tsapanidis78 comments
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This weekend Amiga Meeting 2004 was held in Lodz, Poland. Users had the chance to have a look at the current beta of MorphOS 1.5 with Radeon 3D support, etc., BurnIT 3, FryingPan, Hollywood FX and more:
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Gallery 3

Source: MorphOS-News.de
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 1 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2004 08:57 GMT
MorphOS 1.5 looks great!
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 2 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-May-2004 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
The background picture?

It is nice. Other than that, I would not like to rate MOS1.5 by just looking those (hairy) pictures.

Otherwise those pictures serve their purpose very well.
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 3 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-May-2004 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (priest):
btw. "hairy" is a term that my workmate uses when pictures look rough/lo-res
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 4 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2004 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Vidid imagination you got there =)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 5 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2004 09:11 GMT
WIPEOUT 2097 PPC 54,00e

Yikes... would be nice to play the good old Wipeout again.. but the pricetag... the pricetag... :/
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 6 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2004 09:17 GMT
I assume TCP/IP stack GUI is still not yet finished as there are no pictures of it.. or?
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 7 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2004 09:30 GMT
is there a dock in 1.5?
is there usb hard drive/storage support IN 1.5?
are there firewire drivers in 1.5?
is there a tcp stack in 1.5?
how skinable is ambient in 1.5? are widgets or plugins be able to be incorporated into the gui? i am thinking desktopx, litestep, blackbox os skinning utils etc?
does mos have dvd graphics card decoding in 1.5?
is there a new updated browser in 1.5?
is opengl ported to mos in 1.5?
is digital sound out working in 1.5. Messages will not be received unless you are logged in.?
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 8 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2004 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (cheesegrate):
> is there a dock in 1.5?

Yes, it was there since 1.4.

> is there usb hard drive/storage support IN 1.5?

Yes, it was there since 1.4.

> are there firewire drivers in 1.5?

Dunno.

> is there a tcp stack in 1.5?

Dunno, there should be one.

> how skinable is ambient in 1.5? are widgets or plugins be able to be

Fully skinnable, like 1.4 (probably more so) and dunno

> does mos have dvd graphics card decoding in 1.5?

Dunno, never had a GFX card that supports dvd decoding in any machine I ever had, anyway.

> is there a new updated browser in 1.5?

Dunno.

> is opengl ported to mos in 1.5?

Yes.

> is digital sound out working in 1.5.

I'm not totally sure but I think that it works.
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 9 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2004 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (hooligan/dcs):
> Vidid imagination you got there =)

Why? I have MorphOS 1.4, so I'm quite familiar with the technical side and can afford to judge by looks :) The new background looks very nice. Of course, it could be one user's preferences and not the official 1.5 look. Btw, I mean this picture: http://amiga2k.math.uni.lodz.pl/am2004/P5150938.html
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 10 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 17-May-2004 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (cheesegrate):
>>is there a dock in 1.5?

Already present from one year in Mos 1.4

>>is there usb hard drive/storage support IN 1.5?

Already present from one year in Mos 1.4

>> is there a tcp stack in 1.5?
Yes and it is native

>> how skinable is ambient in 1.5? are widgets or plugins be able to be incorporated into the gui? i am thinking desktopx, litestep, blackbox os skinning utils etc?

Already present from one year in Mos 1.4

>> does mos have dvd graphics card decoding in 1.5?
Already from one year for NATIVE to CyberGfx 5 (not 68k crap system on other OS)

>> is there a new updated browser in 1.5?
Yes, new and hardned VOyager NG

>> is opengl ported to mos in 1.5?

From one year and 3d accelerated for Voodoo and Radeon (wake up red troll) on Mos 1.4

>> is digital sound out working in 1.5
It run from one year already with Mos 1.4

And now my question dear cheesgrate: where is Aos4? Sure "not far" (2001 chorus)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 11 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 17-May-2004 09:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (cheesegrate):
Posted by cheesegrate (203.173.16.118) on 17-May-2004 11:30:24
is there a dock in 1.5?
is there usb hard drive/storage support IN 1.5?
are there firewire drivers in 1.5?
is there a tcp stack in 1.5?
how skinable is ambient in 1.5? are widgets or plugins be able to be incorporated into the gui? i am thinking desktopx, litestep, blackbox os skinning utils etc?
does mos have dvd graphics card decoding in 1.5?
is there a new updated browser in 1.5?
is opengl ported to mos in 1.5?
is digital sound out working in 1.5. Messages will not be received unless you are logged in.?
_______

Ah ... I think this is FUD maybe, but who know ... prolly it could be your complete ignoranc about MorphOs.
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 12 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 17-May-2004 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Eva):
Ah ... I think this is FUD maybe, but who know ...

No, saying e.g. "there is no dock in 1.5" (if this is not true) would be FUD, and many would add that it'd only be FUD if cheesegrate sold a competing product and used his statements to indirectly promote his own stuff.

Looks like honest and relevant questions to me, and questions are usually the first step in curing "complete ignorance". ;)

Sorry about the nitpicking, I'm just tired of seeing "FUD", "troll" and so on being misused all the time...
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 13 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2004 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Seehund):
>Sorry about the nitpicking, I'm just tired of seeing "FUD", "troll" and so on being misused all the time...

Join the club
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 14 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2004 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
thank you for your responses alkis

have heard on mos irc that usb hard drives were not supported.

>> is there a dock in 1.5?
>Yes, it was there since 1.4.
does the dock support animation, ie normal magnification and program alert
does the dock allow dropfolders?
does the dock show indicators for shortcuts that are already running, and can one access already opened programs with these shortcuts?
does the dock support plugins, for instance being able to control amigaamp or mplayer from the dock.?

this is what i meant with my 'widgets objects' plugin question for ambient, say the asbility to place a windowless large animated clock on your desktop
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 15 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2004 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Eva):
> And now my question dear cheesgrate: where is Aos4? Sure "not far" (2001 chorus)

how the hell should i know? do i look like an os4 developer? good luck to them in the same way as good luck to the mos team..

i've been refered to as a red troll by both eva and d.miller? what's going on? am i insane, has someone stolen my identity? :)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 16 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (cheesegrate):
>have heard on mos irc that usb hard drives were not supported.

Well, MassStorage USB devices are supported in Poseidon, which is MorphOS'
official USB stack (it's integrated in MOS).

> does the dock support animation, ie normal magnification and program alert
> does the dock allow dropfolders?
> does the dock show indicators for shortcuts that are already running, and can
> one access already opened programs with these shortcuts?
> does the dock support plugins, for instance being able to control amigaamp or
> mplayer from the dock.?
> this is what i meant with my 'widgets objects' plugin question for ambient,
> say the asbility to place a windowless large animated clock on your desktop


Yeah, I got what you meant but I really don't know. We'll know, once MOS 1.5 is out. :-)

> say the asbility to place a windowless large animated clock on your desktop

I think that I saw that one in one of the photos, other than that I don't know.

Other than that, funky window shapes and transparency are supported.
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 17 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (cheesegrate):
Nah, they just don't remember you:-)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 18 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2004 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Eva):
. >> does mos have dvd graphics card decoding in 1.5?
>Already from one year for NATIVE to CyberGfx 5 (not 68k crap system on other OS)
really? i read that the cpu does all the work because that function is not enabled on morphzone? ARE YOU SURE???

>> is opengl ported to mos in 1.5?

>From one year and 3d accelerated for Voodoo and Radeon (wake up red troll) on Mos
YAWN... o.k woken up, u sure you are not talking about warp3d and minigl..??

next you will tell me you have been using motionstudio and capturing dv on mos for one year too.. silly brat
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 19 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2004 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
So far, I've been called both a red and a blue troll by some people in here...
They tend to draw conclusions about someone from just one posting. :-)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 20 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2004 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Nah, they just don't remember you:
how could anyone forget my 'fleecy and bill are criiminals, amiga inc need to go bankrupt' rants on ann when the 'i am an gullible amiga asshole' club was announced .. ;)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 21 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>So far, I've been called both a red and a blue troll by some people in here...

So does that put you into.. purple camp? :)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 22 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (cheesegrate):
Actually, 3D stuff ARE there for almost a year. OpenGL wasn't.
There are Voodoo3 Rave3D drivers in MorphOS 1.4.
Rave3D is being used as a driver API for the Warp3D wrapper, TiniGL and OpenGL.
In 1.4 there was just the wrapper.
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 23 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2004 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (hooligan/dcs):
Heh. Nah, probably in the hair, leather, guitars and computers camp:-)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 24 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2004 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
hairy palms and a leather glove? ;) hehe
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 25 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2004 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (cheesegrate):
LoL! ;)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 26 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2004 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
yes that's right, thanks, i guess if neko didin't post so much on moobunny opengl would be finished by now.. :)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 27 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Stevo on 17-May-2004 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (cheesegrate):
Ehhh, I'm using a Voodoo3 on MOS and I can personally assure that there is yet *no* support for DVD/Video/Whatever hardware decoding. Maybe in 1.5, I don't know. Still love MOS though :)

- OMG; my fellow blue brothers will be coming for me for collaberating with the reds...no!!!!!
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 28 of 78ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 26 (cheesegrate):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 29 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 17-May-2004 11:59 GMT
Congrats MorphOS users!

The bar for Amiga operating systems has just risen a good notch. IMO 3D hardware acceleration is a huge step forward.


Now Amigans just need a good up-to-date browser.
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 30 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by bleh on 17-May-2004 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (bleh):
noone knows maybe the mos team is just killing time playing online monopoly
having mushroom trip and arguing they're actualy doing something, but who knows? ;)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 31 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2004 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (bleh):
>and opengl, it's there too? how it is? why we don't have screenshots?

Mighty fine reading there my friend. I can swear I spotted Wipeout running on Radeon 3d drivers. Or at least thats how it's posted.
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 32 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by bleh on 17-May-2004 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (hooligan/dcs):
that's all ?

i mean, isnt it a bit short? ;)
you think that's all ppl have to know about mos's opengl status?
without more elaborated explanations?

and it doesn't answer to the remaining "dark spots: what about the rest? and stability and all? memory bugs, ambient improvement(s)? etc..
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 33 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 17-May-2004 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (bleh):
> i mean, if the tcp stack is really here or not?

MorphOS 1.5 is not here yet either, it's obviously a work in progress, and speaking about what features are included until it's here is kind of pointless IMO. You will see when it's released.
;-)

But it has been promised that a native TCP/IP stack would be included (actually it was originally scheduled for the 1.4 release already), so I wouldn't recommend releaseing MorphOS 1.5 without it!
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 34 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2004 12:27 GMT
http://www.mono.cyb3r.org/ameeting2004/show.php?im=0027
In English?
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 35 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 17-May-2004 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (bleh):
"morphos suxx
who knows what's new in this version of that crashy emu?"

That crashy emu is much more stable than my original.

"noone knows.. it's top secret ;)"
i realy wonder why they're keeping features and progresses under silence,
what does they fear?
why noone knows what's really scheduled for mos1.5?"

It's so secret, that the current beta of MorphOS 1.5 has just been demonstrated at this event, if you missed it in the news item.

"and opengl, it's there too? how it is? why we don't have screenshots?"

As you could notice a few news items ago there was an announcement regarding sdl.innoidea.hu. There are many OpenGL accelerated ports there, so that's far it is now. Or a little bit farther :)

"how stable is it? morphos1.4 had serious memory bugs and stability issues are they corected now?"

What do you mean by "serious" memory bugs and "stability issues"? The memory fragmentation bug which was already fixed in 1.4.2?
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 36 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by bleh on 17-May-2004 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
that's just your mere individual thoughts about the situation, it doesn't reflect at all what's the reality. the truth is you're just guessing here and you don't know for sure, you're just wishing tcp/ip stack, for exemple, but in fact because of the silence of mos team and genesi and all, you just dunno.. as we do all (almost) .
so i ask the question: why playing the "top secret stuff around mos?
(i should add, that damn crashy emu, that it's devs don't care about their own users?)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 37 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 17-May-2004 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Emeric SH):
What i don't get is how do you take screenshots of 3D accelleration? :P

Cheers
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 38 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 17-May-2004 12:39 GMT
"so i ask the question: why playing the "top secret stuff around mos?
(i should add, that damn crashy emu, that it's devs don't care about their own users?)"

You're getting on my nerves, so I copied it here from the news item:

"Users had the chance to have a look at the current beta of MorphOS 1.5 with Radeon 3D support, etc., BurnIT 3, FryingPan, Hollywood FX and more"

It's so secret that it was presented and demonstrated to the folks there. Can't you wait for a party report?
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 39 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by bleh on 17-May-2004 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Amon_Re):
you create video files ;)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 40 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 17-May-2004 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (bleh):
Don't you have a bridge to sleep under?
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 41 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 17-May-2004 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (bleh):
I think MorphOS 1.5 includes only Radeon 3D drivers, everything else is scheluded for MorphOS 1.6 ;)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 42 of 78ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 38 (Emeric SH):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 43 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 17-May-2004 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (bleh):
I hope for a native TCP/IP stack too... There is AmiTCP 5 but I've no idea if they have finally created a proper GUI for it. And hopefully it supports Miami control panels since I'm not going to drop gelbespanel :)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 44 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 17-May-2004 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (bleh):
"doesn't mos team, officials and all never heard of "http , news, websites, and official announcements, changelogs or anything like this?"

Maybe they have chosen the release first speak later approach - unlike their "rivals"? :)
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 45 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 17-May-2004 12:58 GMT
Wipeout screen shot looks good. I love this game since the first version on PSX:-D
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 46 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 17-May-2004 12:58 GMT
Wipeout screenshot looks good. I love this game since the first version on PSX :-D
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 47 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-May-2004 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (bleh):
>suppose few ppl gets lazy and don't write that party report .. just a supposition here.. how then should i know about mos1.5?


By reading several reviews when it's out.. perhaps?
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 48 of 78ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 44 (Emeric SH):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 49 of 78ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 36 (bleh):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Follow up to trolling
Amiga Metting 2004 Photos, incl. MorphOS 1.5 : Comment 50 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 17-May-2004 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (ikir):
The best racing game ever IMHO! That was one of the reasons I bought a PSX back then ...
:-)
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