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Posted on 31-May-2004 14:22 GMT by Ferry (Edited on 2004-05-31 16:26:09 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)85 comments
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Images of the OS4 pre-release CD and package on AW.net.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 51 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2004 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Steffen Haeuser):
> I am all so sick with this. Reporting two OpenSource-ports by the same person to MorphOS in two seperate (!) posts is newsworthy, but posting pictures of the first AmigaOS update since ages isn't ???

If only there were OS4 projects to announce... let alone by a single person. Pictures aren't newsworthy for me, and a forum is the right place to complain about their newsworthiness. Don't read the comments if these things are turning you off.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 52 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 01-Jun-2004 12:21 GMT
So has anyone actually received this yet?

So MAYBE AmiWest this will be the big thing?
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 53 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 01-Jun-2004 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Olegil):
"images" is misleading, though. It DID sound like it was an ISO ;-)

;¬D

It was not intentional, I swear. :¬]

Anyway, you must agree that a "package" can hardly have an ISO image... :¬)

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 54 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 01-Jun-2004 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
Don't read the comments if these things are turning you off.

As for me, I can perfectly read any comment... It's quite difficult not to read posts on a thread if you are looking for comments related to the original news item, it just would be good if they were ON TOPIC!

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 55 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2004 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Ferry):
The point is: When actively seeking publicity, you're always getting what you deserve. Negative comments are still better than no comments at all, in so far this newsitem should have paid off anyway. If Steffen is pissed off from OS4's bad reputation, then he can stay away from where the discontent, disappointed, impatient people gather and vent off their steam. What did you expect?
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 56 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 01-Jun-2004 13:31 GMT
I think the photos were released to relieve anxiety among certain people who
are waiting for AOS4 diligently. there are have so many "announcements" that
didn't quite come entirely true that the state of distrust among hopeful
users if very understandable.

As long as it is real, it is good news. I will certainly believe in it when I hear alot about it and see it....reports that AOS4 supports Altivec is not bad either...would that be like having a graphic/audio chip on the main CPU?
Could old Amiga programs which used the old AGA /audio chips be ported to the
altivec functions??? that would be nice. No?
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 57 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 01-Jun-2004 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (acg):
Of course old apps can be updated to use Altivec, but you'd better
have the sourcecode. I see no relation to AGA or other custom chipset
software except maybe that it would be handy to make an Altivec
planar-to-chunky converter (of course, these are already fast without
Altivec, but anyway).
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 58 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 01-Jun-2004 13:48 GMT
Hmmm, there's some nice artwork on that packaging actually - good to see the pre-releases have been done to a high standard.

Frankly though, some of the comments on this thread you just have to chuckle at. Really - if you don't think the post was newsworthy then a) find another amiga news site (as the moderators saw fit to promote it to the "Web" category, or b) just don't read the article.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 59 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Mr_Bumpy on 01-Jun-2004 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Don Cox):
<gary_c wrote:>
> Everyone in the Amiga market would make more money selling pizzas.

Actually, they probably wouldn't make any money selling pizzas because they would continuously argue about what ingredients should be used and eventually split into separate groups. One group would hold the official recipe card and complain that the other group copied it. Meanwhile, the other group claims that they "reformulated" the pizza so that the ingredients only seem to be the same. Both groups set up their pizza stands on the same block and hurl insults back and forth claiming that their respective pizzas are superior for x, y, and z reasons, even though neither of the group's pizzas have any sauce and the crust is made of flax. One group claims they will have a great new pizza for sale "any day now", but can't seem to get the formula just right. Pictures of the "almost completed" pizzas draw much controversy while claims of FUD (or FOOD?) bounce between the two small pizza shops. Their constant bitching back and forth scares off any potential customers that come within a 300-foot radius of the stands, and both pizza places eventually go out of business... again.

-~=Mr. Bumpy


Note: I have heard rumors that the recipe used by one of the pizza places was traded to a lemonade stand... but maybe that's just more FUD ;)
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 60 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2004 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
It has.. Ami TCP V 5.0 see MOS 1.5 Should be there in the near future
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 61 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2004 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
oh and btw, it is perfect possible to use an 68k Stack insted. Hum, how easy is it, to use an alternative USB Stack on OS 4.0?
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 62 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 01-Jun-2004 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Interesting maybe it could be run under uae
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 63 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 01-Jun-2004 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Mr_Bumpy):
Their constant bitching back and forth scares off any potential customers that come within a 300-foot radius of the stands, and both pizza places eventually go out of business... again.

...and, in the meantime, PizzaHut is selling more and more pizzas every day, not even noticing that those small pizza places exist at all.

Only one correction to your story: in this case, are not only the businessmen behind each pizza place who are bitching back and forth, but, what is worst, their customers! Unbelievable...

Note: I have heard rumors that the recipe used by one of the pizza places was traded to a lemonade stand... but maybe that's just more FUD ;)

Mr. Bumpy, you ARE bad(tm) ;¬)

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 64 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 01-Jun-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Steffen Haeuser):
Steffan, by BOGUS announcements, I mean
- prerelease CD by Christmas 2003
- OS4 CD has gone gold, shipping to duplicators next week
- OS4 CD has been shipped to duplicators
- OS4 CD artwork

as well as all the other BOGUS announcements made by Hyperion/Amiga over the past 3.5 years (Nov. 2001 Hyperion takes over) that lead to nothing, except more BOGUS announcements.

I get CD's burned in small lots (2000-5000), all the time, so I know what it takes to get them made, and all this stringing along is a bit ridiculous. Answer the critics and release a product after 3.5 years of "development".
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 65 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 01-Jun-2004 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Mr_Bumpy):
Very interesting discourse on the pizza!

See PIZZA for Amiga's former Snoqualmie main pizza delivery company.

The pizza business card was promenantly displayed in Amiga's former Snoqualmie offices.

Little bit of Amiga pizza factual tidbit.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 66 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 01-Jun-2004 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (acg):
"As long as it is real, it is good news. I will certainly believe in it when I hear alot about it and see it....reports that AOS4 supports Altivec is not bad either...would that be like having a graphic/audio chip on the main CPU?"

It would be like having a second FPU designed for a different type of calculation. Graphics is one possible application. As with an FPU, a program has to be coded to take advantage of the unit. If so, some things will run faster.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 67 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2004 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
Well why do you look at them and why do you bother to complain ?
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 68 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2004 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (MIKE):
I think the more OS4 news the better.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 69 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 02-Jun-2004 00:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (hooligan/dcs):
Hey we are talking of an AMIGA product here, anything can happen!

Planes carrying them will probably fall down, ships carrying them will most probably sink =)
*

No bloody kidding!!


But I always believed this day would come, just as a final release day will come, and then some major corp., after seeing its' capabilities (and potential), coming on board with a big investment, and then some mass production, then even Apple quaking! (Hehe)

It's in the BAG!


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! * "The Day the Earth Stood Still" ;-)
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 70 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 02-Jun-2004 00:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Olegil):
We have a bunch of people complaining about the posting, a bunch of people saying the artwork looks nice, and another bunch of people arguing with the first bunch of people.

That's three bunches of people, hardly an even split in any direction :-)


You're right, but my point was that Anonymous's statement that it's hard to find positive words when an AOS item is posted seems off-base; there's generally a mix of reactions.

-- gary_c
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 71 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by ElfKing on 02-Jun-2004 01:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Mr_Bumpy):
>Their constant bitching back and forth scares off any potential customers that >come within a 300-foot radius of the stands, and both pizza places eventually >go out of business... again.

You forgot the part about how, just down the street, is forty to fifty pizza places that are forced to use the ingredence of a pizza topping - crust - cheeze - sause company, that 99.9999% of the people are hungry for... (actually they are starving for, even after they eat it).

Hmmm... I wonder what kind of computer you should have to help run this pizza place, if we all started to sell pizzas instead???
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 72 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Dan on 02-Jun-2004 08:01 GMT
Steffan, any plans on porting AmigaOS4 to Pegasos2?, the motherboard is half the price of the AmigaOne motherboard and pegasos2 is already out, proven, working and functional with Morphos (I am currently using it), don't you think it will be viable to the business of selling more AmigaOS4's to make it for Pegasos2? Think about it, there are a few thousand pegasos boards out there and more and more being sold everyday.

I think rather then fighting with gensei, hyperion should support the amiga community.

Thanks,
Dan
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 73 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 02-Jun-2004 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (ElfKing):
"Hmmm... I wonder what kind of computer you should have to help run this pizza place, if we all started to sell pizzas instead???"

Why would you need a computer to run a pizza place?
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 74 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 02-Jun-2004 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Dan):
"Steffan, any plans on porting AmigaOS4 to Pegasos2?, the motherboard is half the price of the AmigaOne motherboard and pegasos2 is already out, proven, working and functional with Morphos (I am currently using it), don't you think it will be viable to the business of selling more AmigaOS4's to make it for Pegasos2? Think about it, there are a few thousand Pegasos boards out there and more and more being sold everyday."

Are they being sold for use with an Amiga-style OS or a Unix-style OS? I suspect the latter. If you want to sell non-standard hardware, it will be easier to sell it with a well known OS. Then customers know what it will do.

What features of AOS4 are lacking in MorphOS which would make you pay for a copy of AOS4 when you already have MorphOS free? My impression is that MorphOS is quite a success as an Amiga replacement. I doubt if many MorphOS users would pay 100 Euros or whatever for AOS4. (Nor would those who have AOS4 on their A1s pay for MorphOS.)
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 75 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Dan on 02-Jun-2004 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
I would pay 100 euro's for AmigaOS4 on Pegasos2 to use Amiga applications built for AmigaOS4, unless they made Morphos AmigaOS4 compatible.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 76 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2004 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
It would simply be the freedom of choice.
If Morphos doesn't appeal to me then I would use AOS4.

...and what features is lacking in Windows which make you pay more for anything else ?
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 77 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Orc on 02-Jun-2004 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
of course.

there are always people into retro computing ;-)
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 78 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2004 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
Because this is the right place to do so, and to stir up more anger. :-)
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 79 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 02-Jun-2004 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
"...and what features is lacking in Windows which make you pay more for anything else ?"

Public screens, platform-wide scripting, open OS (no hidden files), resizable requesters, etc etc All in both MorphOS and AOS.

However, it is more a question of features which are present in Windows which I would (and do) pay to not have.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 80 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Barf on 02-Jun-2004 23:38 GMT
Ah, the almost two month long production of 300 CDs is finally finished. OK, more than 6 months, if you count the "before xmas 2003" announcements... Well done, or something. Back then I thought they must be fcking with us, and it was gonna be a surprise release of the real thing. But the final release version must be very far away, as they really did waste all this time and all these resources on a frigging pre-beta-preview when ISOs plus a couple of afternoons at the CDR-burner would have sufficed.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 81 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Farb on 03-Jun-2004 00:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
> I doubt if many MorphOS users would pay 100 Euros or whatever for AOS4.

Isn't it natural that many (most, if you discount the current 'community' loonies who buy painted turds as long as they say 'Amiga' somewhere) AOS4 customers would prefer to buy Better and Cheaper hardware, no matter what they think of MorphOS if they've even heard of that?

You see the world in Blue and Red, refuse to see the absolutely essential need for both MOS and AOS to get more customers than the coupla thousand stalwarts who have already made up their minds, look at the market for AOS/MOS as a static number which needs to be fought over, and seem to think there's still such a thing as 'an Amiga.'
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 82 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 03-Jun-2004 00:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Johan Rönnblom):
Well, I didn't see anyone complaining a while back when there were pictures of "Captain Blue Leotards Bonus Super Suprise Ultimate Super Hero Package" showing everywhere, so what's the problem with a few pics of the OS4 cd? You guys really need to chill. And especially if you are not going to purchase OS4 or an AmigaOne anyway, then you should just ignore the thread and move on.
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 83 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 03-Jun-2004 03:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
>Think about it, there are a few thousand Pegasos boards out there and more and more being sold everyday.

Are they being sold for use with an Amiga-style OS or a Unix-style OS? I suspect the latter. If you want to sell non-standard hardware, it will be easier to sell it with a well known OS.


In the case of the sale to FreeScale, for use with Linux mainly, I imagine. But there are also customers waiting for production to catch up to demand who want to run MorphOS mainly, so it's hard to generalize.

I doubt if many MorphOS users would pay 100 Euros or whatever for AOS4. (Nor would those who have AOS4 on their A1s pay for MorphOS.)

I think the primary beneficiaries of AOS4 on Pegasos wouldn't be MorphOS users (who basically already have what they want) but rather people who want to use AOS4 but would rather pay the price of a Pegasos (+ shrinkwrapped AOS4) than an AmigaOne. There seem to be quite a few people who want an A1 (to run AOS4) but can't afford it (or can't rationalize paying that much for that particular hardware) and are hoping the Micro A1 will be more reasonable if/when it arrives. Anyway, that's what I read often at other web sites. The Pegasos would sell well to these people, it seems to me, if it was available with AOS4 (assuming personality factors were overcome somehow).

-- gary_c
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 84 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 03-Jun-2004 04:40 GMT
The links don't work here (ATM at least)
Images of OS4 Pre-release CD : Comment 85 of 85ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 03-Jun-2004 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Tripper):
Seem to work now..ok then
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