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[Web] Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS)ANN.lu
Posted on 07-Jun-2004 20:11 GMT by Alkis Tsapanidis64 comments
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Here, you can find a new list of the features available in the current development
version of ambient. It gives an idea about what to expect in MorphOS 1.5.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 1 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by BBRV on 07-Jun-2004 19:39 GMT
Not to start a flamefest or anything, but I think Amiga OS4 is a lot more advanced than this Atari ST clone desktop.

Just my opinion though.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 2 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Jun-2004 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (BBRV):
More advanced in what way Mr. Impersonator?
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 3 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2004 20:10 GMT
The one thing I realy real REALY dislike most of ambient is the integration of the prefs into one single prefs window. I like the amiga way much better, with every prefs having it's own application/gui and Icons where you can set certain options. It's doesn't feel amiga like in any way apart from looks of the window.
Futhermore, AmigaOS was known of it's tranparency. You know where everything is located. Now where the hell is Ambient located? in in the boot.img or something??? What libs is it using?? Can I replace a lib with a more recent one? AmigaOS is about the shared library principle and workbench was no exception....

They tried to copy AmigaOS in almost every aspect, why not make a workbench clone instead of this lame excuse for an GUI.

I surely hope that AmigaOS4 preserves this amiga look, feel and fundamentals.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 4 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 07-Jun-2004 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
You can run each prefs in its own single window. And start it from its own icon.

Ambient is in the Ambient/ directory.

You can replace libraries.

Shared libraries are used for about everything.

Ok, so you know you were 100% wrong about everything and you can now love MorphOS. Happy?
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 5 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by tokai on 07-Jun-2004 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
What a useless comment! Please inform yourself properly before you post such bullshit, else you'll make you just look like a lame troll.


Anyway, you'll find it here: mossys:Ambient/Ambient

regards,
tokai
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 6 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 07-Jun-2004 20:54 GMT
* I'm impressed by the skinability of the windows, and impressed by overall look.

* I think it looks like KDE, I expect an Amiga look form an AmigaOS clone.

* this pictures how ever do NOT give me an impression on how andvaned Ambient is, taking AROS as an example of disfunctional desktop that look like a million dollars.

* It be every interesting to try Amibiant, and compare it whit Workbench40 when it's finished.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 7 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 07-Jun-2004 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
"Amibiant" was not in the mispelled list yet. Congratulations.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 8 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Jun-2004 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
As written on Zapek's page, these are grabs of Ambient 1.21 (MOS1.4), not the
current version of which the features are listed on that page.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 9 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 07-Jun-2004 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
" * I think it looks like KDE, I expect an Amiga look form an AmigaOS clone."

???

What Amiga look is that? The Workbench 1.3 default look? The Amiga 3.1 default look?

I wish people would engage their brains before posting. You hear people complaining when MorphOS stuff is said to be Amiga-like, and then those same peole complain that it doesn't have the "Amiga look", whatever that is supposed to be. (I assume they don't mean the truly horrid official Amiga look as seen in AmigaOS up to 3.9)

Who cares if it's exactly like old AmigaOS? Who cares if it looks like Workbench or not? The real questions should be: is it any good, is it practical and does it have the functionality you expect.

Now I'm sure if you all put your thinking caps on you can make some valid interesting and substantive points about Ambient, be they positive or negative. You remember how to judge software by what it does rather than where it comes from, right?
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 10 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima PhD. on 07-Jun-2004 22:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Bill Hoggett):
"Who cares if it's exactly like old AmigaOS? Who cares if it looks like Workbench or not? The real questions should be: is it any good, is it practical and does it have the functionality you expect.

Now I'm sure if you all put your thinking caps on you can make some valid interesting and substantive points about Ambient, be they positive or negative. You remember how to judge software by what it does rather than where it comes from, right?"
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If you were in a MorphOS site then I can see what you are saying. This is an 'Amiga' site so people here are naturally going to be curious to see "how Amiga like it is" and "if it looks like Workbench or not."

If this was being 'touted' as a 'MacOS clone', then posting these kinds of threads on MAC site would probably generate similar comments regarding "how MAC like it was" or "how much like MAC OS it looks like".

DUH!!!!
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 11 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 07-Jun-2004 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Agima PhD.):
What was that I was just hearing about true-color icons? Hmmm.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 12 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jun-2004 22:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
> The one thing I realy real REALY dislike most of ambient is the integration of the prefs into one single prefs window.

That's exactly what I like BUT I can't stand this cluttered way of configuration (system, ambient, mui global etc). Brain-dead. But I assume/hope it has something to do with adjusting the old MUI to a new OS and will go away.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 13 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Jun-2004 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
* I think it looks like KDE, I expect an Amiga look form an AmigaOS clone.

I believe someone is working on an classic Workbench skin for Ambient. :-)

-- gary_c
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 14 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 07-Jun-2004 23:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Agima PhD.):
There is an OS4 skin somewhere, install it and it looks like an Amiga... :-P
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 15 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima PhD. on 07-Jun-2004 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (itix):
:)

No need for such a skin for me as I think Ambient looks great on it's own. :)

I just think it a little ( a lot ) retarded for someone to act dumbfounded at (not you itix) comments comparing Ambient to Amiga OS when this is posted on an Amiga site.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 16 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Jun-2004 01:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Agima PhD.):
If you were in a MorphOS site then I can see what you are saying. This is an 'Amiga' site so ...."

Sorry, the first "A" stands for "alternative," not "Amiga." Christian has explained this a number of times and I believe it's still the case, despite the incompete link list.

DUH!!!

Back at ya. ;-)

-- gary_c
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 17 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 01:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
>* I think it looks like KDE, I expect an Amiga look form an AmigaOS clone.

Then install OFour Skin already.
It looks more like KDE because it has true colour system and AmigaOS only has a limited pallette based one.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 18 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Jun-2004 03:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Nicolas Sallin):
>"Amibiant" was not in the mispelled list yet. Congratulations.

Made my morning =)

You can also add the often used "Ambience"
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 19 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 03:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
The Ambient HAS the Amiga look and feel in every aspect, but in some
areas the Ambient version in MorphOS 1.4 (v1.29) was not developed
quite as far (and in other areas Ambient has already passed WB). The
Ambient prefs way is the MUI way of handling prefs. IMO the MUI way is
preferrable because it gives a much better overview to be able to set
every aspect of the prefs from one single application/window instead
of having to run one prefs application for every thing you want to set
(รก la Windows). Of course they tried to copy the Workbench (at least
in the beginning - now it's obviously PASSING workbench and becoming
so much more), because MorphOS is an Amiga OS re-implementation, it's
not BeOS, MacOS or anything else, but an AMIGA re-implementation! :)

It is obvious that Ambient in MorphOS 1.5 will be a KILLER! :)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 20 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 03:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
@ Kjetil

You can make it look just like OS4 (or OS3.1 or OS1.3 or any otter
OS for that matter).

I think you can expect comparisons between MorphOS and OS4 very soon!
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 21 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 03:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
http://snews.vim.hu/wbgrab21os4.png

Feel free to fine tune it the way you like, for perfection! ;)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 22 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 04:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Agima PhD.):
I know that you are only here to troll, and I can understand your
desperation, because it seems like MorphOS is the ONLY next-generation
Amiga OS that will have a future (thanks to the Pegasos). The
pre-development OS4 version is too tightly tied to the A1 hardware,
and that will make it dead born in its incubator, and at the same time
the Pegasos is moving towards real mass-production (these are
obviously only the first steps, but it's HAPPENING!):

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=494

No more production runs in the hundreds, we are moving towards
thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of units EACH RUN! It's
happening! The Pegasos has really been embraced with love by Freescale
(and also IBM) and the Pegasos has already working CPU cards utilizing
the very latest and most modern PPC CPU's from both those vendors, and
these will go into production before the end of the summer. Another
result of this partnership will be that future Pegasos versions will
use the latest G5 architecture, and any other future CPU from those
manufacturers.

And on the MorphOS side?

http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=757&si=1
http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=764&si=1
http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=775&si=1

So Agima, I would be a little more humble if I were you. The current
version of OS4 is no real option for an Amigan that is looking for a
NG system to migrate to. It may be good for people who wants to
develop for Hyperions OS4 (who?), but that's it! It is currently not
good enough for serious usage in a general way (and that is what users
wants). In fact, on the A1 not even Linux is usable in a serious way.
In fact, there is no way to use the $800 A1 motherboard in a serious
way. The hardware is too expensive, too buggy, too old (it's even
getting quite hard to get a functioning memory module for it, and
those are becoming really expensive), there is nothing new in the
works that replaces it (except the Micro A1 which is even less for
about the same money). The A1/OS4 package did not make it to the
starting line, it was too little, too late and too expensive to make
it. So I would be a LITTLE more humble if I were you!

The only way for OS4 to have a serious future (whenever it matures
enough to be at least usable to a general public) is to jump on the
Open Desktop Workstation bandwagon. You will get a free ride to an
established customer base (like any other OS for the platform)! Either
that, or make it run on Mac hardware (like MorphOS will).
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 23 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 08-Jun-2004 05:44 GMT
It seems no one noticed the real killer feature:

Depending on the media content, a different view can be used. For example an icon view with thumbnails, a list view showing most attributes of files, a view showing pictures. Everything is possible and views are pluggable modules.

Which is, if I understand it right, means plugin based windows content display. You can make DOpus alike plugin, content previews based on mime types, whatever, almost everything you please. Hopefully the specs will be in the SDK soon, and there will be talented persons writing plugins to Ambient soon.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 24 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 08-Jun-2004 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
" The
pre-development OS4 version is too tightly tied to the A1 hardware, "

Well, it also runs on BlizzardPPCs and CyberstormPPCs. So that argument is null.

I would add that unlike MOS it's going to be released for these accelerators... The MOS version for CS_PPC or BPPC is only in Piru's hands (and a few friends of him).

And MOS running on my CS-PPC would be great, but sadly, it doesn't seem to going to happen anytime soon. At least I know that OS4 will run in my miggy.

At the moment MOS is as tied to the hardware as OS4. I'm tired of that stupid argument. If I saw MOS 1.4 running on anything different than a Pegasos my opinion may change, but until then MOS is more or less as multiplatform as OS4 (If they don't release the CSPPC/BPPC versions, it will be even more tied to the platform that MacOS)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 25 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 08-Jun-2004 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Emeric SH):
MMmmm I want 1.5 now :-)
and for my CS-PPC too!
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 26 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jun-2004 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Emeric SH):
The Arexx support (and features) will also provide enormous possibilities to create a desktop/system with great features. It looks very interesting if you ask me!
:-)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 27 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jun-2004 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Crumb // AAT):
> " The
> pre-development OS4 version is too tightly tied to the A1 hardware, "
>
> Well, it also runs on BlizzardPPCs and CyberstormPPCs. So that argument is
> null.

No it's not IMHO. The Blizzards/Cyberstorms is not a future path, they are *nothing* to build a future upon. They are dying of age, they are underspecced, and they only runs on even older systems with loads of hacks and patches added to them. From an OS POV, it's only interesting to provide an OS to these cards in order to suck in the few developers that won't upgrade to the NG hardware.

Besides, the situation for MorphOS and OS4 on these cards is exactly the same AFAIK; both OS's runs on these cards but only a select few have access to them. However, it is said that both will be released to the public at a yet to be announced date. That is, both OS's currently runs (in some way) on this hardware, none of them is publically available yet, but both will be at some time.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 28 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jun-2004 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Crumb // AAT):
> At the moment MOS is as tied to the hardware as OS4. I'm tired of that stupid
> argument.

The Pegasos is good quality hardware, better specced than the A1, and even if it's higher priced than some low cost, mainstream x86 motherboards, it's still quite affordable. People can buy a Pegasos without taking a mortage on the house, and then use a variaty of OS's on it, including LinuxPPC (which works perfect on the Pegasos, unlike the A1). The price/specs of the A1 puts it out of reach for most people other than the die-hard fanatics who has already bought it anyway, and IMHO OS4 will suffer a great deal because of this fact. And I fail to see how the situation could possibly change. Due to the arrangement in the "A1 scene" (lots of parties involved, each claiming their own respective profit margins, etc) the A1 can't be sold much cheaper than today, and I see very little development of the specs and features. Sure, MorphOS is kind of tied to the Pegasos, but being "tied to" the Pegasos is actually not that bad when put in perspective!
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 29 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 08-Jun-2004 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (takemehomegrandma):
"The Blizzards/Cyberstorms is not a future path, they are *nothing* to build a future upon"

yes, but there are thousands available, much more than the current number of A1+Pegasos users. And the userbase would increase a lot for both OSes.

Some developers who don't want to buy new hardware may port their apps to MOS/OS4 if these versions were available.

And the money already has been invested and OS4 on the CS-PPC should be quite finished (and MOS on blizzardPPC too). A different problem is that Bill Buck doesn't give any buck to the programmers so they don't want to release their work yet.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 30 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jun-2004 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Crumb // AAT):
>> "The Blizzards/Cyberstorms is not a future path, they are *nothing* to build
>> a future upon"

> yes, but there are thousands available, much more than the current number of
> A1+Pegasos users. And the userbase would increase a lot for both OSes.

We are of course only guessing here (both of us), but I actually think it's quite possible that the current number of Pegasos owners has passed the number of active "classic PPC" users (it's the amount of *active* users that is interesting, not the amount of boards out there). And another question is how that will develop in the coming months? My guess is that more and more will upgrade. In fact, the demand for Pegasos motherboards is already far greater than Genesi can supply ("unfortunately", due to their Freescale orders).

> Some developers who don't want to buy new hardware may port their apps to
> MOS/OS4 if these versions were available.

Yes. And this would be the only reason to release an OS for the classic platform IMHO. But it will take some effort to make an *end user quality* OS release that runs problem free on most of the various hacked&patched classic systems out there, and will it be worth it? Perhaps the resources are better spent on other areas?
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 31 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 08-Jun-2004 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Crumb // AAT):
"yes, but there are thousands available, much more than the current number of A1+Pegasos users."

I hope they release MOS for classic machines... it was such nice piece of art.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 32 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 08-Jun-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (itix):
"I hope they release MOS for classic machines... it was such nice piece of art."

Me to. Not for using it, just for the sake of release. Even in an AS IS, no responsibility form.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 33 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 08-Jun-2004 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
You're arguments are null... Bill Buck has already killed the Pegasos and almost MorphOS along with it. Let's hope MorphOS at least makes it out of Bucks control while it still may have a possible future.
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 34 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 08-Jun-2004 13:11 GMT
OMG!!! WTF!!! Droooool....

:-)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 35 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 08-Jun-2004 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
This post sounds a lot like BBRV... but he wouldn't post here anymore would he?


>> No more production runs in the hundreds, we are moving towards
thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of units EACH RUN! It's
happening!


Intersting Bill, as your Dealers are telling people they are only being built when enough people preorder, then you guys do limited run of boards.

And you've made claims of 10,000 unit runs before Bill. Remember the 5,000 Pegs that would be here before the end of 2003 and then the other 5,000 that were shipping to that settop box maker sometime in September 2003? Or do I need to provide you with the links to your own comments yet again?
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 36 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Agima):
Dude, go back to sleep! :)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 37 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 08-Jun-2004 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Umm.. No. I don't want to go to sleep. How about you bo back to sleep?


"tens of thousands of units EACH RUN! It's happening!"


At least you're funny... LOL :P
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 38 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Agima):
"How about you go back to sleep?"

:)

"You are stupid!

-No YOU are stupid!

-No You are stupid!

Mommaaa, buaaah, he teases me!"

:)

We can perhaps sleep together? :O Perhaps then you can show me that
phantasy dream you are living in, you know that one about the bright
A1 future? The question is how you plan to make that a reality?

A big question that is! A freakin mystery!

OS4 may be really nice when its finnished but it does not matter. Its
crippled by the A1. There is no way around that. Or is it?
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 39 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 08-Jun-2004 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
And the peg has a future? It's cripple by Bill Buck!
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 40 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jun-2004 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Agima):
Eva #2...
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 41 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-Jun-2004 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Agima):
It went well so far...
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 42 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 08-Jun-2004 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (pixie):
>>It went well so far...

A motherboard that hasn't even sold 2000 units.. WOW that's going really well!
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 43 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jun-2004 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Agima):
Hm, you seem to be a Genesi employee...
You seem to know so much about internal information of the company, accounting
and stuff that this is the only logical conclusion;-)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 44 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 08-Jun-2004 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yes, yes, I'm the REAL bbrv :)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 45 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 08-Jun-2004 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
More like "Red Eva". Sounds scary, eh? :P
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 46 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by xxx on 08-Jun-2004 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
glad that things are moving along.

>http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=494

>No more production runs in the hundreds, we are moving towards
>thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of units EACH RUN!

from the MZ article:
> our assembly workers are working in a facility for developmentally disabled >adults.

this really made me laugh! it's very clever to use such people. after all, they won't complain if you give them bad checks!
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 47 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 08-Jun-2004 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (xxx):
Oh sweet mary mother of gee oh d!!!

That's funny. Looks REAL high tech there at the 'factory'.

Yep , things are REALLY moving along now!

I bet ABIT, Gigabyte, Epox, Intel and the rest will soon be moving their production facilities to similar locations just to compete with the cost saving measures Genesi have dreamed up.

:)
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 48 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 08-Jun-2004 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Nice screen shout!!!! :)

Look like OS40 whit some small error inn the GUI, butterfly left upper corner :(
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 49 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 08-Jun-2004 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Bill Hoggett):
Now I'm sure if you all put your thinking caps on you can make some valid interesting and substantive points about Ambient, be they positive or negative. You remember how to judge software by what it does rather than where it comes from, right?

Read the next line in my original comment an rethink what you just typed...
Ambient Featurelist! (MorphOS) : Comment 50 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 08-Jun-2004 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Kjetil):
Kjetil I must say that I love your English...keep it coming :)
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