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Posted on 12-Jun-2004 09:08 GMT by Martin Merz (Edited on 2004-06-12 11:52:44 GMT by Christian Kemp)17 comments
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AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) is a system to maintain toolbar images under AmigaOS. A set of basic toolbar images is included. More informations: www.masonicons.de\txt_002.html

Download: www.masonicons.de\archive.html

AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 1 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jun-2004 07:15 GMT
Pretty messed up links there, with backslashes and all ...

http://www.masonicons.de/archive.html
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 2 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by oGALAXYo on 12-Jun-2004 07:19 GMT
Hello,

Please do not use backslashes in your Links. These are in no way standards conform and cause Mozilla or Firefox to blow up when loading. Please use proper linking in the future (also if you go to other pages or if you use backslashes in your own Web site).

The correct links are:

More information
Archive
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 3 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 12-Jun-2004 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Sorry, big fingers, small keys... ;-)

The other link is: www.masonicons.de/txt_002.html
Link

Hope this works.
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 4 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 12-Jun-2004 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (oGALAXYo):
Looks like you were faster :-)
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 5 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jun-2004 19:05 GMT
Hi Martin,

Nice initiative, hope it will be adopted by all developers.

BTW, will you be adding some more images to the set in the future?
Would be cool to have toolbar images for a webbrowser in it:)
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 6 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jun-2004 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
> Nice initiative, hope it will be adopted by all developers

Very unlikely that developers will adopt it because it's not a very good implementation (my opinion after reading the linked text; I haven't downloaded anything). This idea needs a lot more structure. A usable standard should have provisions for icon sizes, ie sub-drawers like 48x48. It should have provisions for on/off images. It should have env variables that define the name of the currently-used icon-set/style so that programs that come with multiple icons can install the correct ones. It should have a repository for multiple, alternative icon sets. It should have something like the font fallback list in a web browser (an icon not installed, what other icon can be used?). It should have support for icon templates (base icons that are superimposed, for example a drawer base icon that is superimposed with an image to give the image of the prefs drawer). Etc.

For example, some applications need an on image and an off image. Some applications need toolbar-size images
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 7 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jun-2004 21:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
>For example, some applications need an on image and an off image. Some applications need toolbar-size images

Well, I can tell you haven't downloaded the archive, as there are in fact:

- normal
- selected
- ghosted

for every icon.

the 'on' icon would utilise the "normal" icon, and the 'off' icon would utilise the ghosted icon.

But yes, I agree the implementation could be more deep-going, specifically in the size support... other than that, I don't see any significant faults with it.
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 8 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jun-2004 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
> Well, I can tell you haven't downloaded the archive, as there are in fact:

Well, I said so, didn't I? And that open-ended sentence was garbage anyway, it was not supposed to go into the comment. To clarify the "superimposed" point: I think a standard icon repository should, as a gateway to it, ie. have a library (something smart and somthing that can provide flexibility, if needed at a later point), and not just a folder structure.
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 9 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 13-Jun-2004 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
> This idea needs a lot more structure. A usable standard should have
> provisions for icon sizes, ie sub-drawers like 48x48.

It would be quite simple for the developer to add a subdir (e.g. Images:48x48/), but the standard toolbar images (24x24) must be stored in "images:"

> Some applications need toolbar-size images

It is all about toolbar images ;-)
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 10 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 13-Jun-2004 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
> BTW, will you be adding some more images to the set in the future?
> Would be cool to have toolbar images for a webbrowser in it:)

Sure, the library will continiously expanded!
More to come :-)
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 11 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jun-2004 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Martin Merz):
> It would be quite simple for the developer to add a subdir (e.g. Images:48x48/), but the standard toolbar images (24x24) must be stored in "images:"

Well, and that's another problem, you deciding what is the standard, without authority, and installing into system folders. I think such matters, if we want to create an icon standard, should be decided after discussion on a forum and between developers. You can't just say "24x24, that's it". As to the "quite simple for developers to add subdirectories" bit: a standard that doesn't lay down rules and thoughts for such (rather elementary) issues isn't usable. My suggestion: make a more thoroughly thought-through RFC, then post again and get feedback. And please include the title in the Request For Comment, AISS doesn't get my vote, that would be like naming it "MorphOS Image Storage System", to upset the other party. What about Unified Icon Repository?
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 12 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Jun-2004 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
I don't see any problem with the name, or the images themselves.

But with all due respect I'm not sure Mr. Merz correctly understands the purpose of the Storage directory.
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 13 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 14-Jun-2004 22:43 GMT
Nice, much like FreeBSD /etc/rc.conf contains 'overrides' of /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 14 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Jun-2004 23:17 GMT
An excellent concept and one which is overdue.
Needless to say the graphics are up to Mason's usual high standards.
Although the decision of paths needs more thought. Suggestion: the
system images should be in a Sys directory (or System, Workbench, General, etc.
whatever name is finally decided upon)

Then for example someone's 'miggy might have these directories:

Images:Sys
Images:ReportPlus
Images:AWeb
Images:AmigaWriter

This avoids the inappropriate use of the Storage drawer, and means that everything is in the one directory, Images:.
An inferior alternative to using an Images:Sys directory would be to put those files in the Images: directory.
This needs to be sorted out now, because it will be set in stone once AISS-aware applications start appearing.
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 15 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 05:58 GMT
An icon storage system that is based on a folder hierarchy just isn't enough. There are a lot of nifty things that could be done with icons if you have a library gateway and don't allow applications to peek directly into folders and select this or that image: You can move the folder (repository), you can have multiple repositories, you can have smart substitution (like font substitution in a browser), you can select a style/theme without copying files, you can have automatically generated images (like those links in Windows, or the Aiga folder images), you can have an icon cache to speed up operation, you can have resolution-dependend delivery of icons, and one thousand other things. The AISS idea in this form is a *very bad* concept and should not be adopted.
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 16 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymus on 15-Jun-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
> The AISS idea in this form is a *very bad* concept and should not be adopted.

Just crying it is *very bad* and dont providing a better solution is typical!
IMO AISS is a good start - just let us make it a little better!
AISS (Amiga Image Storage System) : Comment 17 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jun-2004 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymus):
> Just crying it is *very bad* and dont providing a better solution is typical!

Actually, I wasn't just crying that it is bad but was providing a long list of suggestions. You can't seriously expect that commentators jump to implementing an alternative solution when they see faults. Developers (like me) have their own projects, that's just impossible. The guy that makes AISS should have a look at what is said here.
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