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[Forum] Commodore to sell AmigaOneANN.lu
Posted on 14-Jun-2004 20:21 GMT by insider53 comments
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Rumour has it that Commodore is going to sell the Eyetech AmigaOne as C= Amiga.

A press conference is sheduled for the 17th of June. Stay tuned for more information.

Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 1 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by outsider on 14-Jun-2004 18:32 GMT
Rumour also says that OS 4.0 will also run on even Atari 600XL computers.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 2 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by insider on 14-Jun-2004 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (outsider):
Just wait till the 17th and you will see. No need for such useless comments.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 3 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 14-Jun-2004 18:41 GMT
More power to them :) Trademarks has power these days :)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 4 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 14-Jun-2004 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (insider):
Well, ditto. :-)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 5 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by marcik on 14-Jun-2004 18:50 GMT
One more company to make profits from AOne and OS4? Amiga Inc, KMOS, Hyperion, Eyetech, Mai. Now (if news is true) - Commodore. Am I the only one, who thinks, that it's a little too much? ;)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 6 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-Jun-2004 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (marcik):
When have Amiga Inc. made profits? :)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 7 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by mjohnson on 14-Jun-2004 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (hooligan/dcs):
1. Steal underpants.
2.
3. Make profit.

;)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 8 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Seer on 14-Jun-2004 19:44 GMT
Hmmm.. So, Tulip finally does something that may be worthwhile with their trademarks ? (Unlike their c64 venture.. )

Well, this market never stops twisting.. Lets see what pops up the 17th..
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 9 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 14-Jun-2004 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (marcik):
>>>One more company to make profits from AOne and OS4? Amiga Inc, KMOS, Hyperion, Eyetech, Mai. Now (if news is true) - Commodore. Am I the only one, who thinks, that it's a little too much? ;)


Sort of like companies making money selling Dell and Windows XP machines bought at Circut City or some place? Microsoft, Dell, Circut City, Intel, Mcafee or Norton (which ever Dell 'forces' you to have included), what ever company that Dell is using to manufacture their northbrideg chips, etc, etc...
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 10 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Jun-2004 20:54 GMT
They take rebadging to a whole new level ;) It starts as a Teron, it morphs (oops, bad word) into an Eytech AmigaOne and then it becomes a C= Amiga. That gives three layer board a whole new meaning. How thick are the QA labels on that board? Do they get into the way of the heatsink?
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 11 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Jun-2004 21:08 GMT
Surely it would make more sense for Tulip simply to buy the boards direct from Mai themselves and pay the $100/board or whatever to AInc for the "Amiga" part of the name than going through another reseller like Eyetech?

If this is true then I doubt Tulip would be selling the boards - they don't sell components but full Desktop PC's and Laptops. If they were to start licensing the boards they'd most likely build them into full desktop systems and sell them as C= Amiga desktops.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 12 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by outsider on 14-Jun-2004 21:21 GMT
Pssst. Don't tell anyone.
I bought Tulip and a press release will be out on the 20th of June. Expect above mentioned press release to become outdated.

Why. I feel great. Smarter. More aggressive. Why.. I feel like I could.. like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 13 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 14-Jun-2004 23:04 GMT
What'll they call it? The Amiga 5000?

coldfire
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 14 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 03:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
How thick are the QA labels on that board? Do they get into the way of the heatsink?

I have to admit, that WAS pretty funny :)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 15 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by SLayeRDK on 15-Jun-2004 05:29 GMT
And this rumour comes from ?.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 16 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 05:43 GMT
The Teron is a turd, you can't polish turds.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 17 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 06:36 GMT
First, Amiga Inc and the Teron destroyed everything positive with the
Amiga name, and now they are gonna stain the Commodore brand too? Why
can't they just let it Rest in Peace and let us preserve our nice
memories about these once so glorious platforms?

But this is surely not true anyway, it doesn't make sense in any way.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 18 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 15-Jun-2004 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Agreed, but why would you expect decisions about "Amiga hardware" to start making sense all of a sudden? :P
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 19 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Jun-2004 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Lando):
Because MAI don't manufacture them, perhaps? Anyway, I strongly suspect this is all bullshit.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 20 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 15-Jun-2004 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Peter Gordon):
Well, maybe ANN.Lu needs a "Comedy", or rather, "BS" section?


I've read some quite amusing/hilarious comments/threads here, good stuff.


(Seriously, this is a great place! :-) )
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 21 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Jun-2004 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Atheist2):
Yeah... i think there should be a "Comedy" section ;)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 22 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 15-Jun-2004 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Seer):
>Hmmm.. So, Tulip finally does something that may be worthwhile with their trademarks ? (Unlike their c64 venture.. )

Weren't there rumours of them planning to make "Best of Namco/Atari"-style joystick with best C64 games?
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 23 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 15-Jun-2004 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Amiga Inc and Teron are doing nothing. Perhaps you are?
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 24 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Gareth Knight on 15-Jun-2004 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Jupp3):
>Weren't there rumours of them planning to make "Best of Namco/Atari"-style joystick with best C64 games?

This is more than a rumour. Take a look at the Tulip web site.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 25 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by SLayeRDK on 15-Jun-2004 10:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (insider):
What is it with Australians and ann.lu ? :).
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 26 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Perver on 15-Jun-2004 10:15 GMT
Should the news item not read, Eyetech will sell the Amiga One under the Commodore brand name? After all, isn't Commodore dead as a dodo?
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 27 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (SLayeRDK):
We are not all bad eggs. ;)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 28 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 15-Jun-2004 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Chris Perver):
"Should the news item not read, Eyetech will sell the Amiga One under the Commodore brand name? After all, isn't Commodore dead as a dodo?"

The original company is long dead, but the brand and logo are still owned and in use (by a Dutch company IIRC).
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 29 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 15-Jun-2004 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (insider):
"Just wait till the 17th and you will see. No need for such useless comments."

Smells like a hoaxlet to me.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 30 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 15-Jun-2004 12:27 GMT
nice pack of information about the "Dutch company": http://www.tulip.com/aboutus/corp_article.asp?nid=149

In Dutch, sorry ... well ... numbers are easy to read. :)

( small company in computer industry but it's huge when measured in Amiga scale... ;) )

IMHO: they seem grazy enough to distribute NG Commodore Amigas....
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 31 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by marcik on 15-Jun-2004 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Agima):
> Sort of like companies making money selling Dell and Windows XP machines
> bought at Circut City or some place? Microsoft, Dell, Circut City, Intel,
> Mcafee or Norton (which ever Dell 'forces' you to have included), what ever
> company that Dell is using to manufacture their northbrideg chips, etc, etc...

Ever company make profits on different thing - Microsoft on Windows, Dell on whole computer, Intel on procesors, Norton on system utilities. But on Amiga side we will have 5 companies that make profits on motherboard (Amiga Inc, KMOS, Commodore, Eyetech and MAI), and 4 that make profits on OS (Amiga Inc, KMOS, Commodore, Hyperion). And don't forget sales numbers. Milions vs hundrets.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 32 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 15-Jun-2004 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (marcik):
Note that some Dell motherboards are from MSI (Micro Star International).
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 33 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 15-Jun-2004 23:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (marcik):
>Ever company make profits on different thing - Microsoft on Windows, Dell on >whole computer, Intel on procesors, Norton on system utilities.

Microsoft does pay loyalties/refer to third parties(patents holders) e.g. just look in your IE6's about info. MS's disk tools(defrag) was made by "Executive Software International, Inc".

>But on Amiga side we will have 5 companies that make profits on motherboard
>(Amiga Inc, KMOS, Commodore, Eyetech and MAI), and 4 that make profits on OS
>(Amiga Inc, KMOS, Commodore, Hyperion). And don't forget sales numbers.
>Milions vs hundrets.

One should break down the roles
1. KMOS, OS 3.X patents (core services).
2. Amiga Inc, "Amiga" name brand.
3. MAI, motherboard reference design originator.
4. Hyperion, OS programming group.
5. Eyetech, funds motherboard constructions i.e. funds and contracts to third. party board manufactures(some East Asian fab).
6. Commodore, brand of PCs.

On X86 world,
1. HP-Compaq, cross license deals concerning DEC's VMS and Windows NT(core services). Microsoft also license other IP technologies (e.g. refer to IE6's about).
2. BIOS licenses e.g. Award.
3. NVIDIA's nForceI/II/III motherboard, motherboard reference design originator.
4. Microsoft, OS programming group and brand name.
5. Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, FIC, Leadtek, ECS, Abit, Albatron and etc, funds and contracts out or inhouse build motherboards.
6. Dell, Gateway. Wallmart, HP-Compaq and etc, brand of PCs.

With X86 side; it can get complicated since some X86 based companies has tighter vertical integration e.g. Intel and ATI. Your statement indicates to me that you are simply anti-Eyetech/Hyperon/Amiga/KMOS group.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 34 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 15-Jun-2004 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (hammer):
Addendum;

Note that, I use "NVIDIA" (fabless design house) to illustrate an example that MAI’s structure is NOT unique.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 35 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 15-Jun-2004 23:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Note that the 'April' thing has some contribution in the mess.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 36 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by marcik on 16-Jun-2004 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (hammer):
Ok, I can agree with you. But it seems that you forgot to read last two sentences from my comment. Sales. If we have product, which is sold in milions, we can involve a lot of companies - small profits per one computer make a very big number, when it's sold in milions. But we have a lot of companies which are making (or trying to make) profits on computer which is sold in few houndrets. As a result we have an overpriced AOne. But you think, that it would be better,if this very small amount of money, that is made on AOne would go to one or two companies? Prices could drop down, companies would made bigger profits, etc.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 37 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 16-Jun-2004 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (hammer):
@Hammer, bear in mind that all the Amiga/AmigaOS/AmigaOS 3.x patents have expired.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 38 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 17-Jun-2004 06:13 GMT
It's 17th here.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 39 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Jun-2004 06:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Matt Parsons):
"bear in mind that all the Amiga/AmigaOS/AmigaOS 3.x patents have expired."

Are you sure? I thought there was a couple of years to go yet.

The GIF patent (actually LZW patent) expires today.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 40 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-Jun-2004 06:45 GMT
December 24. here.
Ho ho ho!
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 41 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 17-Jun-2004 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Emeric SH):
Well, although it's indeed the 17th meanwhile, I wouldn't expect Tulip to have hold a press conference that early in the morning. :-)
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 42 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 17-Jun-2004 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Senex):
The press conference is currently taking place from 10:00 to 12:00.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 43 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by samo79 on 17-Jun-2004 07:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Senex):
I don't believe....bullshit imho
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 44 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 17-Jun-2004 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (samo79):
The press conference itself is real - if the Commodore relaunch is also in any way related to the Amiga remains to be seen, obviously.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 45 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 17-Jun-2004 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Senex):
Forgot the URL: http://www.commodore.net/press
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 46 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 17-Jun-2004 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Senex):
No mention about the Amiga, but the scene, games and history is mentioned about the C64. They hired some famous presentator from the Dutch Radio / TV.

That was good too see, but the rest about selling music through the internet and other things has nothing to do with the C64 or Commodore.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 47 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 17-Jun-2004 20:37 GMT
Where is everyone getting this rubbish about "Commodore" selling AmigaOnes? On Tulip's real website: http://www.tulip.com/news/news.asp
we can see what they are really doing.
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 48 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Jun-2004 05:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (smithy):
Rumor source is unknown.
" Rumour has it that Commodore is going to sell the Eyetech AmigaOne as C= Amiga.

A press conference is sheduled for the 17th of June. Stay tuned for more information. "

The press conference relieved nothing Amiga related.


( some people still think Commodore = Amiga ??? )
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 49 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 18-Jun-2004 12:19 GMT
It's about a games console
Commodore to sell AmigaOne : Comment 50 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 19-Jun-2004 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Matt Parsons):
@Hammer, bear in mind that all the Amiga/AmigaOS/AmigaOS 3.x patents have expired.

Note that Amiga Workbench 1.0 was not the only OS born around 1985 e.g. "Microsoft Windows".
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