03-Dec-2022 06:41 GMT.
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
Anonymous, there are 35 items in your selection
[News] Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4ANN.lu
Posted on 15-Jun-2004 04:26 GMT by hooligan/dcs35 comments
View flat
View list
Ironfist's short review of pre-OS4 at unofficial PUGS-meeting at GGS-Data

OS4 testdrive using AmigaONE G4XE and MicroA1.

You can find it Here
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 1 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 15-Jun-2004 03:18 GMT
Not a bad review.

I received my copy of ~Os4 yesterday but as yet, haven't tried installing it.

Your right .. The packaging is very professional ... In fact, When I got home from work my eldest daughter had unplugged the Logitech (force feedback) Joystick from her pc and was waiting to plug it into my A1 (aw bless her).

"Oh ...Daaaaaaaaaaaaad, I wanna play Elite again (frontier)".

"Your have to wait a bit longer for that ( I suspect)".
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 2 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 15-Jun-2004 06:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (The_Editor):
I agree, it's a nice review. It seems that not all Peg owners are bad :-)
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 3 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 15-Jun-2004 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Elwood):
He is a traitor and must be eliminated =)
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 4 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Jun-2004 07:18 GMT
Nice review!

Well, IBrowse has always run fast and stable on my A1. About the same speed as my A4000/060/Voodoo, even back when I was using pre-release level OS4 (it has come on in leaps and bounds since then). Also, refresh isn't all that slow on my system, don't know why you found it "very slow".

Anyway, the pre-release of OS4 is simply supposed to be "enough" of OS4 for you to start developing OS4 native apps. When you get some of the updates that are already working, you'll see a marked improvement.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 5 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Jun-2004 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
... also, the review doesn't mention some of the cool features the pre-release DOES have, like the CDRW packet writing support. Just mount CDRW: (or CDMRW: for mount rainier), format a CDRW, and drag files to it. Really handy for quick backups or whatever.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 6 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 15-Jun-2004 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
>Also, refresh isn't all that slow on my system, don't know why you found it "very slow".

He is probably doing JUST the wrong thing, and comparing it to MorphOS/Ambient.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 7 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Jun-2004 07:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (hooligan/dcs):
> He is probably doing JUST the wrong thing, and comparing it to MorphOS/Ambient.

Why is that the wrong thing? I've seen MorphOS, yes its refresh is faster, but i still don't think OS4s refresh is "very slow".
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 8 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 15-Jun-2004 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Peter Gordon):
I think it's just because he is used to certain refresh speed by using MOS daily, and now he briefly used less faster system.. which of course gives the impression of "a much much much much slower" system.
I notice the same feeling every time I use my NT4, Linux or Windows XP here at work (for example now :-)

Personally, I would have left that without a mention.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 9 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Jun-2004 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (hooligan/dcs):
Yeah I suppose. I wasn't having a go, I think he made a lot of fair points.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 10 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by radfoo on 15-Jun-2004 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
I agree, not sure what he means by "very slow", I thought the exact opposite.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 11 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Peg2 on 15-Jun-2004 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (hooligan/dcs):
Lot's of people mixing up the purpose of the Pre-ReleaseCD.
It was released to give a tool for the developers to make their applications for OS4.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 12 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (radfoo):
> I agree, not sure what he means by "very slow", I thought the exact opposite

It's a Pegasos user group so obviously they compare it to MorphOS and not to AmigaOS3 and classic Amigas.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 13 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Davy Wentzler on 15-Jun-2004 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
What matters a lot with IBrowse is the use of the external PPC image decoders. Without that it's extremely slow indeed, but when you use the PPC datatypes it's perhaps 50x faster. Unfortunately, the pre-release CD makes it crash when entering the settings window. If you want to change the settings, rename locale.prefs in envarc:sys (IIRC) to locale.prefs2 or something and reboot. Now it's very likely it will work. After this you should put your locale.prefs back again. Hope this helps.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 14 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 15-Jun-2004 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (radfoo):
At least when I have seen OS4 videos crowd in AmigaWorld.net comment GFX is very fast. For me it looked slow and sluggish. Another thing is MUI 68k which I consider major bottleneck in OS4. With MUIPPC old 68k apps shine like a star.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 15 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by damn on 15-Jun-2004 11:10 GMT
Great review and cool screenshots. Sounds like aos4 yet have a lot to catch up with until it reaches the state of morphos. Looking 4ward to see progress here.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 16 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Troels on 15-Jun-2004 11:11 GMT
Nice review Ironfist.

I agree with most of it but have to say that I found the pre-release a little better than I expected. I enjoy using it and I am certain we will see some interesting updates soon.

/T
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 17 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 11:38 GMT
What a lousy review! The reviewer
is heavily biased toward MorphOS.
Of course, he doesn`t see any positive
things with OS4. I hope I don`t see
another review from that PUGS group.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 18 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
I thought it was quite a well balanced review.

It tells it like it is a this point in time, as a review should.

Are you sure you are not pushing your Agenda...?

If you don't their review you are welcome to do your own, then you can watch it be met by criticism such as yours.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 19 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 15-Jun-2004 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
The reviewer is heavily biased toward MorphOS

Why it is such a bad thing to compare to the thing you use ?

It was good for a quick'n'dirty review. Basic things were written about which were spotted. Basicaly review showed things that were seen in published videos. Will watch the space for OS4 updates and improvements.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 20 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 15-Jun-2004 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (brotheris):
Sometimes I love my engrish.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 21 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 15-Jun-2004 12:34 GMT
It also looks like OS4 dev-pre-rel comes with MUI 3.9, not MUI 3.8. Which is nice of course.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 22 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 13:53 GMT
Seeing as the 68k version of MUI is bundled with the pre-release, has
anybody tried to install it stand-alone on a 68k machine? Or has it
been tied down to libs with 50.x version numbers, to prevent this.

Would be nice to replace 3.8 with 3.9 :) I don't know if it will
give any substantial improvements, but cool, none the less.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 23 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
> Would be nice to replace 3.8 with 3.9 :) I don't know if it will give any substantial improvements, but cool, none the less.

Probably not, somebody said the MorphOS PPC MUI with all those nice gradients was a different branch.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 24 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> Would be nice to replace 3.8 with 3.9 :) I don't know if it will give any substantial improvements, but cool, none the less.

>Probably not, somebody said the MorphOS PPC MUI with all those nice gradients >was a different branch.

That's correct.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 25 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Ericsson on 15-Jun-2004 17:58 GMT
Hi my fellow Amigans ;)

I'm also a member of PUGS, and thought it was quite clear that this was never intended to be a full review but only a quick and dirty first impressions kind of thing. It was also written in the middle of the night so some things are bound to be unclear or even wrong.

I've heard too much "all MorphOS/AmigaOS4 users are evil". That's only a few loud mouths on each "side". Us normal users don't see it as two separate sides, only one community. Why shouldn't we? I'm a programmer and I'd be pretty stupid not to make programs that will work on A1 as well as Pegasos.

I wasn't at this particular meeting, tried OS4 for a couple of hours at a friends place and most of the first impressions were the same for us. IBrowse worked ok, but was a bit slow, which of course has to do with the demo only having 2 download channels. FTP transfer speeds were not too impressive either, so obviously some people have slow transfer rates while others don't. As is mentioned in the review, a few things that will make a big difference are still missing, like Petunia ans P96 ppc, but they are on the way soon, so I'm sure everything will be just fine.

I compare with both my Pegasos 2 G4 and my A4000 with PPC-233/060-50 and OS3.9 of course. But both of those have had a longer time to mature and get bugfixes, so I wouldn't take any review that comes out this early too seriously.

I haven't even checked ann.lu in ages because of the boring flame wars, but I think if more of us normal users that don't see it all as a war get heard, maybe the trolls would crawl back to their caves, or even better, become normal users too, that can discuss things in a well behaved manner.

Ahh, now I 'm just writing too much again...

Have a nice life everyone anyway! =)
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 26 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 15-Jun-2004 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
You are biased towards being anonymous
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 27 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2004 22:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Gordon):
I'd be interested to see how stable packet writing is under OS4; peecee packet writing has been unstable for me, so I tend not to use it.
What file formats does it use for packet writing?
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 28 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jun-2004 10:34 GMT
I was both surprised and pleased by this review. It seems not all Pegasos users are closed-minded bigots with narrow views of anything but their own platform.

Much respect to the reviewer who wrote this article! I hope we can see more maturity like this in the future.
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 29 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 16-Jun-2004 18:03 GMT
It's always good to see the others side view, its often clearer and with more focus over the important things... and less biased (no ofense at being biased whatsoever).
Imagine a windows user doing a review, that would be something!:D
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 30 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 16-Jun-2004 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
I was both surprised and pleased by this review. It seems not all Pegasos users are closed-minded bigots with narrow views of anything but their own platform.

Ahem. If that surprises you, then who here is (or was, until now?) really the close-minded bigot with narrow views on people's characters depending on what computer they happen to have bought?
----
Thanks for the review, I think it complemented SlimJim's (thank you, SlimJim) more comprehensive one nicely.

Here's an idea: could someone please make a point-for-point comparison between what's presented in the OS4.0 feature list, and what's implemented/missing so far in the current pre-release?
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 31 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 17-Jun-2004 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Seehund):
I own an AmigaOne/OS40 pre dev, now.

I don’t se the point inn making a list like this, the pre developer version of OS40 is OLD by this date, I it do lack lots of stuff, a few GUI customization is missing, parallel serial, is missing, USB only supports keyboard and mouse (maybe it do support mass storage I have not tested it)

My first impression is that is where quite fast (gave me impression of speed like X-Windows), after installing it to HD, while the install CD is some what slower refresh I do not know way, I most agree that refresh is slow, and if you try to run UAE it will run slower the 1mhz Amiga500 due to some gfx refresh issues, (dragging the emulated screen down, increases UAE emulation by 100, this may have some thing to do whit poorly ported SDL, or poorly ported UAE)

I have tried to get a hold of Imake so I can try to compile it my self, I think it can be good exercise to get to know the SDK, I where thinking about making an aberration layer between UAE and AmigaOS40 so it can use native screens, and windows, this will convert UAE inn to a sandbox like Wine, and I can maybe remove AGA / ECS / OCS support, so it allows me to run things like Hippoplayer at good speed (Hippo player have some trouble whit AHI, and it generates hits at startup and shutdown on AmigaOS40)
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 32 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 17-Jun-2004 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Kjetil):
"and I can maybe remove AGA / ECS / OCS support, so it allows me to run things like HippoPlayer at goot speed" http://uade.ton.tut.fi/
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 33 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 17-Jun-2004 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Kjetil):
I don't se the point inn making a list like this, the pre developer version of OS40 is OLD by this date

But this is what was reviewed, not anything that isn't released yet :-)
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 34 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Lamont Cranston on 18-Jun-2004 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anders Ericsson):
> Us normal users don't see it as two separate sides, only one community. Why
> shouldn't we? I'm a programmer and I'd be pretty stupid not to make programs
> that will work on A1 as well as Pegasos.

i completely agree. most of us users are not insane. we just love amigas.
and we aren't big loudmouths like the idiots.

more useful reviews, less fights!
Yet Another Review of Pre-OS4 : Comment 35 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 18-Jun-2004 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
I would say that most PUGS members are really openminded and I know that some of ous would have bought an AmigaOne if it haden't been that expensive (IMHO even GGS-Data's low priced AmigaOnes are extremly expensive).

We did offer to show up AmigaOne at a computer show, but sadly the arranger declained our offer, maybe for we would have had a couple of Pegasoses too.
Anonymous, there are 35 items in your selection
Back to Top