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[Forum] Big commercial support for AmigaOS4?ANN.lu
Posted on 29-Jun-2004 04:13 GMT by Anonymous28 comments
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A long time ago, I remember something about an article promising Adobe would port some of it's products to the new Amiga. Does anyone know anything more about this or other big commercial entities supporting the Amiga?
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Posted by thefab on 29-Jun-2004 04:14 GMT
i think you had a dream
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 29-Jun-2004 04:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (thefab):
When he said "A long time ago", maybe he was talking about ten years or something :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jun-2004 04:39 GMT
Wasn't that Corel who was supposed to port some of it's stuff to AmigaOS?
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Posted by user on 29-Jun-2004 04:40 GMT
It is announced for MorphOS platform ;)
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Posted by tony Pascoal on 29-Jun-2004 04:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (hooligan/dcs):
I think that Amiga community at moment doesn't need Adobe software. Some software like ImageFX are really competitive vs Photoshop, but need to be improved several areas to be more attractive for new users.
More beautifull designed interface
I think ImageFX it is really powerfull but too cold/sad for new users, it need more improvements, need to support AOS4 and need more stability.

Pagestream is really competitive to InDesign and "in several ways" it is better. Pagestream can do several "simple" vector design works that are usually done on heavy softwares like illustrator on others plateformes. Pagestream is very versatile.

Especially people like me using everyday PageStream and ImageFX since years, can certify you that using these both softwares make AmigaOS very competitive for designers/creative.

People that want some adobe software etc... are people that never used really and intensively these boths Amiga softwares I think.
Before wanting and dreaming about something different, try and use daily Pagestream and ImageFX in real professional projects and see their power...

And please BUY ImageFX and PageStream that are two softwares that proved in time their power and their attachement for Amiga community.
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Posted by gary_c on 29-Jun-2004 05:40 GMT
Are you sure that wasn't a dream you had? ;-) In their first months, the Amiga, Inc. guys did present some totally unrealistic app lists but as far as I know these were wishful thinking only. Don't know if Adobe apps specifically were mentioned. Really, why would any big company want anything to do with such a small userbase? Bear in mind that even Apple has had some trouble keeping Adobe interested. When there are significantly more AmigaOne users than current Mac users, then maybe Adobe will see some possibility of a viable business in this market.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jun-2004 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (tony Pascoal):
"Pagestream is really competitive to InDesign and "in several ways" it is better. Pagestream can do several "simple" vector design works that are usually done on heavy softwares like illustrator on others plateformes. Pagestream is very versatile."

The drawing tools of Pagestream will be much improved by the addition in version 5 of a wire frame viewing mode. Previously it has been impossible to edit vectors in a drawing with fills and thick outlines.

I am now trying to persuade Deron to add a Blends feature (as in Pro Draw). This can be a very powerful tool, especially if you can make a blend over a spread of pages.

It is amazing how Deron keeps all of this going almost single handed (I think he had help on the Linux port).
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Posted by Senex on 29-Jun-2004 06:27 GMT
Maybe you're confusing Adobe and Agfa?

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2002-03-00221-DE.html

"PPC font engine - surprisingly one of the most requested features for AmigaOS4.0, a brand new font engine will be added to the AmigaOS, providing support for both True Type and Open Type fonts. In addition, bullet.library and diskfont.library will be reimplemented and enhanced and a contract with Agfa for 12 truetype fonts has been negotiated."
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jun-2004 07:01 GMT
I'm getting deja-vu. Didn't someone bring up this subject on Amiga.org recently?

Look, there is NO CHANCE at all of Adobe lifting the tiniest finger in support of AmigaOS4. They don't even support x86 Linux beyond a rather unpolished and now deprecated version of Acrobat Reader.

Adobe development is motivated by the amount of money they can make from the market. The AmigaOS/MorphOS market can't possibly even cover their development costs, never mind reach the projected profit threshold needed before Adobe consider porting any of their software to it.

In short, forget it.
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Posted by priest on 29-Jun-2004 07:01 GMT
all kinds of stuff was promised for AmigaDE when McE was lobbying around the world for it.

Those are unrelated to AOS.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 29-Jun-2004 08:47 GMT
Yes, I remember this too, but afaik it was McEwen or possibly Fleecy.
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Posted by Nate Downes on 29-Jun-2004 08:57 GMT
Give the market another two years to shape up, that goes for both MOS and OS4. Then who knows.

And yes, buy a copy of ImageFX! I love this software! Come on Kermit, make an update!
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Posted by koan on 29-Jun-2004 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Bill Hoggett):
I know it's a bit nit-picky but

> They don't even support x86 Linux beyond a rather unpolished and now deprecated
> version of Acrobat Reader.

On my linux box at work I'm using acroread v5.0.something; compared to Acrobat v6.0 on my work WinXP laptop. The only difference I can see is that v6 has more chrome. I haven't any complaints about v5.

koan
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Posted by Anonymous Original Poster on 29-Jun-2004 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Yes, Corel rings a big bell too.. but which Corel progs were they to port?
It mightn't have been Adobe. But I remember something about them too - might have been little more than the Photoshop datatype :)
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Jun-2004 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (tony Pascoal):
> Some software like ImageFX are really competitive vs Photoshop

ImageFX is GREAT, but I could not completely replace Photoshop with it. :-/


> Pagestream is really competitive to InDesign and "in several ways" it is
> better. Pagestream can do several "simple" vector design works that are
> usually done on heavy softwares like illustrator on others plateformes.
> Pagestream is very versatile.

I totally agree! Pagestream rocks! :-D


> Especially people like me using everyday PageStream and ImageFX since years,
> can certify you that using these both softwares make AmigaOS very
> competitive for designers/creative.

I am not using these programs as often as you, but I totally agree with you that this combination really is competitive, and we are very lucky to have this software!
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Posted by Sam Smith on 29-Jun-2004 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (koan):
I think in many ways version 5.0 is better.

---
Sam
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Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jun-2004 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Nate Downes):
"Give the market another two years to shape up, that goes for both MOS and OS4. Then who knows."

I doubt if any of these big companies would consider a market with less than twice as many users as the Mac. They keep going on the Mac because they are already there. Their overheads are much too high to make porting to another platform possible.

Talk to Adobe and I am sure they will say "Come back when you have 50 million users and you can demonstrate that they buy expensive software (unlike Linux users)."

For the forseeable future, any Amiga software will be provided out of the good will and generosity of the coders. There is little chance of a coder making enough money to pay for an AmigaOne or even a Pegasos, let alone both.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jun-2004 12:02 GMT
Originally (back in 2000) Bill McEwan announced a big list of specific applications like Heretic 2, Mario 64 etc. that were definitely coming to Amiga DE. They were headlined as "committed applications". A few people pointed out that this was a fairly transparent deception (why would Nintendo call a product Mario 64 when it's not running on the Nintendo 64?) but they were shouted down (you may be able to find the relevant discussions on ANN) and the pretense was carried on for a while.

Then the story changed, and you should be able to dig up some mailing list posts where people ridicule the "committed applications" and are told that it's a simple misunderstanding, Bill didn't mean that AInc have committed to deliver the apps, or that the 3rd party owners have committed to deliver them, instead Bill intended the trademarked brand names to be indicative of similar products, you know, like if a store says they have cheap "Frosties" when they mean "Own-brand sugar-coated cardboard flakes".

But wait, isn't that the very thing trademark law makes illegal? Why yes it is.

This story has been open for anyone to see since 2000. Amiga Inc wasn't a well intentioned enterprise that didn't quite work out, it was a scam from the start, an effort to take money both from the "little people" who hang out on ANN and from larger investors. Whether KMOS represents the latest of a series of crooks or the latest in a series of gullible investors remains to be seen.
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Posted by José on 29-Jun-2004 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (tony Pascoal):
I agree with all but this: " More beautifull designed interface "

I mean it's cool to have that, but the way clueless people drool about that and how many software is judged and writte with that in mind is just an ultraje to the really pro applications out there.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jun-2004 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (koan):
I think it's 5.0.8, from July 2003 on my system. And yes, it works fine when I need it. (It's there for those documents that the open source pdf readers have trouble with).

But the interface is dog-ugly and awkward (things like the really primitive file requesters, for instance) and the rendering is less than optimal at many resolutions.

I'm not saying that the Reader is bad, but at the same time it doesn't really represent Adobe support for Linux either.


And Nate, a "couple of years"? Are you even remotely serious? It will take 5 years of success far beyond the dreams of even the most fervent AmigaOS4/MorphOS supporter before Adove will even think about a port.

Adobe applications on AmigaOS? There's more chance of them going open source first!
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Posted by itix on 29-Jun-2004 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=0971346133&category=news&start=1&70
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Posted by John Block on 29-Jun-2004 14:27 GMT
I think corel was one of the names along with Transmeta during a presentation in London by gateway amiga.

The one with the amiga will run on a linux kernal rather than qnx bombshell.

They served up bloody chicken and did try to provide free t shirts which someone swiped to sell.
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Posted by John Block on 29-Jun-2004 14:31 GMT
Oh yes + 1 pound cans of amiga cola.

I fell for an overpriced boing ball pen and overpriced over sized boing shorts, anything at the time to inject some cash into them.

There was also a Pentagram designed workstation model that had allegedly cost thousands or was it millions to design.
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Posted by John Block on 29-Jun-2004 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (John Block):
http://amiga.emugaming.com/amigamcc.html

The picture links at the bottom are interesting.

This was 1999, the design is comparable to imac, so they may have been on to something :(

I recall at the time not liking what looked to be a sealed unit with no upgradability
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jun-2004 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (John Block):
Well, you could have upgraded it from a wooden mock-up to a real computer, for starters.

That's all the Amiga MCC ever was: a mock-up. They had it on show at WoA in Kensington and if you looked at the back of it you could see it was just a wooden box with nothing at all inside. A triumph of style over substance, in the most absolute sense.

There never was any real hardware. Collas kept insisting the system was only months from release, but they had no CPU and no boards. Some people kept insisting that just because they hadn't even decided on a CPU didn't mean the OS for it wasn't nearly ready. LOL!!!

It was just another episode in The Big Amiga Lie, a soap opera that's been running for a decade or so now. The cast may have changed a few times, but the addicts are the same, and so are the scripts.
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Posted by John Block on 29-Jun-2004 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Bill Hoggett):
And for a sequal Merlancia had plans for the design.
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Posted by q on 30-Jun-2004 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (itix):
Ah... it seems that Amiga's own page about those software is still up... :-) :-) LOL.

http://www.amiga.com/feature/about_amiga/about_amiga.shtml
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Posted by Lando on 30-Jun-2004 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
"A few people pointed out that this was a fairly transparent deception (why would Nintendo call a product Mario 64 when it's not running on the Nintendo 64?)"

This was actually (I think) a reference to the Italian 3D platformer "Tales from Heaven" which was released on Amiga CD. It was billed as a Mario 64 clone, and I guess AInc just wrote "Mario 64".
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