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Posted on 06-Jul-2004 20:48 GMT by Raphael54 comments
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last days I see four different Morphos news disappeared from ann.lu webpage. ¿what is up on ann.lu. does the A in ann.lu means Amiga and no ALTERNATIVE again? :(((((((((

christian kemp:
If you not do like Morphos submissions any more then you will add to the "submission guidlines" and let users knowing. Then you also should remain firm and tell vesalia for change banner picture.

you problems with genesi is not fault of us users! i am know this news will be deleted. because they not do like critique. i make screenshot everyone will show the truth
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Posted by SLayeRDK on 06-Jul-2004 19:02 GMT
If it gets deleted its because it looks more like an attack on Kemp, and nothing else IMHO, so take your screenshots, but do remember this is a privately owned website, and theres nothing to prevent the owner and mods to moderate how they feel like.

P.S.

If you have a complaint why not write to Kemp instead, show respect and you get respect.
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Posted by Rafo on 06-Jul-2004 19:33 GMT
A brand new ata.device that supports ALL PIO MODES.

Yeah, right...great. That's a huge step ahead, for sure.

Tssss....
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Posted by Peg2 on 06-Jul-2004 19:39 GMT
@Raphael:

I don't see any problem. Who cares about your so called MorphOS (Amiga emulator) on an Amiga news network site? Make your screenshoot, and dig it where you want to...
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Posted by Agima on 06-Jul-2004 19:41 GMT
@Raphael

Do you see ANY links to MorphOS sites over on the right hand side there? No you don't. So what makes you think that MorphOS news should be posted here at all? Why don't you go to MorphZone? It's a very nice site.
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Posted by itix on 06-Jul-2004 20:05 GMT
Havent seen any MorphOS submissions disappearing.
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2004 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (itix):
nor have I - but i rarely read 'unmoderated' - I wait for the site
editors to place the real news into folders. removes a lot of junk
that I'd have otherwise had to sift through
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Jul-2004 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Rafo):
> A brand new ata.device that supports ALL PIO MODES.
>
> Yeah, right...great. That's a huge step ahead, for sure.
>
> Tssss....

I think you're in the wrong thread, pal. Feel free to repost in the right one, and I'll reply there.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 06-Jul-2004 20:13 GMT
Go ahead and take as many screenshots as you like - I've never understood people's fascination with taking screenshots of websites... what do you gain by doing so? (Well, other than wasting your time.)

If you're referring to the one news submission I deleted today, here's a link to older explanation: http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=motd&file=1080166128.msg

The submission in question had a news title that wasn't useful, from what I remember the summary was more chatty than informative, and the "read more" link just lead me to anonymizer.com.

Also, I wish people would mail me with this kind of thing, rather than causing more trouble on the front page. I certainly don't have any problem with the efforts of the individuals involved in MorphOS, at bPlan, or anywhere else. MorphOS news are just as welcome on ANN as are news about AmigaOS, Amithlon, UAE, or any other solution that's linked to the original "classic" AmigaOS in one way or another.

My misfortunes with Genesi are entirely unrelated to how I moderate MorphOS news.

I also wish people would stop their attempts of making me a puppet of their red vs. blue "war" - it seems that every few weeks, someone from one side accuses me of favouring the other. So what am I, pro-Amiga, or pro-MorphOS? Or maybe I'm quite happy with Windows 2000, don't see any reason to give up neither my current software nor hardware to return to the Amiga scene; and am just moderating away news items on ANN that fall below a certain quality/usefulness threshold, regardless of topic. (And I must add that in recent months, Christophe has done the large majority of news moderations, for which I am incredibly grateful. Also note that I rarely, if ever, object with any of his moderation decisions, because they are based on the same idea as mine: to keep up a certain quality level in news submissions, even if it's often being dragged down by some individuals and their actions and we don't have the time to exercise as much editorial control as would be required).
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Posted by Darth_X on 06-Jul-2004 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Agima):
Proof of what this market has become
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Posted by Darth_X on 06-Jul-2004 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Christian Kemp):
I agree with you Christian.

Anything posted through an anonymizer should be deleted. If a person has a real reason to be anonymous,they should email Chrisitan or one of this sites moderators. This is fair.

Its not fair for registered users to be in the minority of posters compared to anonymous trolls using anonymizers.
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Posted by Agima on 06-Jul-2004 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Darth_X):
What has it become?

I love these types of threads. To think Christian would be deleting MorphOS or for that matter AmigaOS threads because he supports one side of the other is just so rediculous that you just want to slap the poster.

On that note I think it must be DoomMaster that started this thread.
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Posted by Rafo on 06-Jul-2004 21:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
Oops, now I'm the moron here, heh ?
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 06-Jul-2004 21:55 GMT
I also didn't notice any deleted MOS items, and I've checked this site
rather often today. :-P
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 06-Jul-2004 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Christian Kemp):
> I wish people would mail me with this kind of thing, rather than causing more
> trouble on the front page.

Hell yeah! This "Hey CK this" and "Hey CK that" is becoming annoying tbh.

> I also wish people would stop their attempts of making me a puppet of their
> red vs. blue "war"

I think I would also throw in a request for restating the obvious rhetoric. Or using a news site to ask a question which should be directed to whichever company.

Just remember CK, every once in a while you have to take some ass and kick some name to let people know who you are and where you stand. Kudos to you and Christophe.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Jul-2004 01:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peg2):
>Who cares about your so called MorphOS (Amiga emulator) on an Amiga news network site?

Roughly the same amount of people who are interested in your choice, so shall we skip OS4 news aswell?

Maybe ANN stands for AROS Network News afterall.. wonder how many would be against that...
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Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 07-Jul-2004 01:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peg2):
Actually.. You got that all wrong; MorphOS is not an emulator ... UAE/WinUAE is an Amiga emulator.. MorphOS is not... Its a next generation/future AmigaOS ... Just like AmigaOS4 and AROS.

The real question here is .... Which one is the best/most compatible solution so far ;) ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 02:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Adam Waldenberg):
The best emulator ;)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 02:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Adam Waldenberg):
> Which one is the best/most compatible solution so far ;)

WinUAE
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Jul-2004 03:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Amithlon. Never crashes and is faster than lightning :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 03:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (hooligan/dcs):
WinUAE is by far the most compatible solution
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Jul-2004 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Amithlon is by far the most fastest solution
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Posted by opi on 07-Jul-2004 05:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (hooligan/dcs):
Amiga! Is the most.. errm.. Sticker Solution. ;)
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Posted by Emeric SH on 07-Jul-2004 05:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Agima):
"Do you see ANY links to MorphOS sites over on the right hand side there? No you don't. So what makes you think that MorphOS news should be posted here at all? Why don't you go to MorphZone? It's a very nice site."

Indeed it is. ANN is a very nice site too. But ANN is (fortunately) not AmigaWorld.net yet, and to this day a place to post MorphOS news as well, like it or not.
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Posted by koan on 07-Jul-2004 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Darth_X):
Its not fair for registered users to be in the minority of posters compared to anonymous trolls using anonymizers.

The original reason for "trusted" or "registered" users was to stop trolls from forging posts to stir up trouble.

Registered users are no more unanonymous than anyone else using a nick and a number of them have been known to troll.

With regards to the thread, if you are pro MorphOS go to MorphZone, if you are pro AOS4 go to AmigaWorld.net and if you are interested in both go to ANN. Simple.

koan
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Posted by Raffaele on 07-Jul-2004 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Adam Waldenberg):
Mr Adam Waldemberg wrote:

>Actually.. You got that all wrong;
>MorphOS is not an emulator ...
>UAE/WinUAE is an Amiga emulator..
>MorphOS is not... Its a next generation/future AmigaOS ...
>Just like AmigaOS4 and AROS.

Nope. You are making a big misinterpretation here.

MorphOS is a stand-alone OS with same characteristic of easyness and usability of Amiga OS.

Nothing more, nothing else...

We can call it an Amiga-like or an Amiga-mimic OS, despite the fact it is also capable of running Amiga apllications thru emulation.

But it is not a new generation AmigaOS. It simply quite different, and we will see more in differencies with AOS, when Q-Box will be developed.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (koan):
> and if you are interested in both go to ANN. Simple.

Or if you are interested in both, but don't like flamewars go to Morphzone and AmigaWorld.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 07-Jul-2004 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
"Or if you are interested in both, but don't like flamewars go to Morphzone and AmigaWorld."

Or if you are interested in both, don't like flamewars, but want a single site, visit amiga.org, and have your peace of mind. :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Emeric SH):
Yeah, enough different options available. IMO this is good, I don't understand why some people want to have only one type of solution available to people.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 07-Jul-2004 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
"Yeah, enough different options available. IMO this is good, I don't understand why some people want to have only one type of solution available to people."

Fear from competition? :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Emeric SH):
Don't know, but it's mostly certain vocal MOS advocates who want to force everything and everyone to cover their platform and if not the website will be ridiculed and attacked.

If given in to their demands this would have killed diversity and options to users to pick their personal needs.
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2004 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
"IMO this is good, I don't understand why some people want to have only one type of solution available to people."

The human brain tends to lock on to a target. Given a choice, when one option is selected, the brain concentrates on that one 100%. This avoids your trying to chase two hares and catch neither.

Unfortunately what is useful when hunting is not so useful when dealing with technology or religion.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2004 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
You can also go there if you want to find who are most of the anonymous trollers on ANN ...
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Christophe Decanini):
I don't understand why you allow and in the past even hailed the ability to post anonymously here at ANN. Now I make use of this 'feature' and here it seems you are attacking anonymous posters.

If you have a problem with anonymous posters then why not create a proper login system instead. Anyway I don't think there's much difference in people using fake names, semi-anonymous nicknames or people who just admit to be posting anonymously.

I don't think I have been trolling within this thread. Or is your definition of a troll someone who decides (for whatever reason) to post anonymously?
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Christophe Decanini):
Maybe you think I was trolling because I was referring to certain MOS advocates?

If so then let me give you an example:

When the OS4Depot was launched for AmigaOS4 specific files there were some MOS advocates linking this to South Afrika's past apartheid regime and claiming BAFs like these would destroy Aminet.

However, I have never seen them (nor AmigaOS4 enthusiasts actually) attack MorphZone for their MorphOS specific downloads. And not to mention that OS4depot does allow the to upload to Aminet simultaneously and MorphZone does not!

Why should an AmigaOS4 users have to search through the huge pile of software, often unusable to them natively, ranging from Workbench 1.2 software to MOS! I think such blind attacks and accusations are ackward and destructive.
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Posted by Fake Name on 07-Jul-2004 12:33 GMT
So, i'm not anonymous now because there is no "Anonymous" in the name field ? :) Or what if I decide to use Anonymous as my nick ? :) How can you actually say who is anonymous and who is not when people can use any word in the name field ? Proper registration and login system would solve that problem.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2004 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
I do have a problem with some anonymous posters.
I'm thinking of hypocrites who flame here while criticizing ANN for the same thing they are doing.
When I say "Anonymous" it is a generic term for anonymous users, not just the people who post as "Anonymous".
I do not have any access to change anything on ANN (except moderating stuff).
I have asked Christian about ways to get rid of troublemakers but I doubt that he has enough time and motivation to do such a system. I understand him as I'm in the same situation.
If ANN stays in its current form it is up to the users to make it better.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Christophe Decanini):
OK, then I must have misunderstood ANN's goals and your personal believes.

Bu there are so many nicks in usage I don't have a clue about who these people really are.

Let's take Darth_X as an example, I don't have a clue who this person really is . Do you? Within this thread he complains about others posting anonymously, yet who is he himself? His comments often seem trollish to me, how can I be sure that he doesn't use other nicks to post under as well?

Anyway I personally didn't come here to troll. And I don't think the real trolls will ever all of the sudden behave normally. If you are unable to enforce your own rules (what would those actually be?) as moderators, I believe you will always keep a form of anarchy here at ANN.
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Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 07-Jul-2004 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Raffaele):
Its Amiga-like ... Just like AmigaOS4 is. There is no difference whatsoever. ExecSG is quite different from orginal OS3.x also you know... Its just two different ways of doing things.
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Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 07-Jul-2004 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Not really... Its far to unstable to be usable imo ... The only thing UAE is good for is runing old games and apps that bang hardware... And thats not what you do most of the time.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Adam Waldenberg):
> There is no difference whatsoever.

AmigaOS4 is (legally) based on AmigaOS source code and the ABOX is not based on the AmigaOS source codes. I see the ABOX as a package of 3rd party developed alternative modules which do have their roots within the Amiga community and were developed with staying AmigaOS3.1 compatible. MorphOS at its core uses a totally different kernel with a reimplemented classic Exec alternative running hosted on top. ExecSG does not have Exec running hosted on top as it itself includes all Exec functionality.
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Posted by pixie on 07-Jul-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
> Let's take Darth_X as an example, I don't have a clue who this person really
> is . Do you?

His nick isn't at all important as long as he stands by it... as you get to know him as a person whether no one would/could do the same on you.

AFAI STW(see the world) there's no problem being a troll if you have at least the dignity to stand by your position, did I just said... EVA!? ;)
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2004 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
I know who he is and it never refrained me to moderate him when necessary.
If we were monitoring ANN 24h a day we would be able to moderate inappropriate / flaming / trolling comments. However we do not have such time.
Some tools could be made to get rid of ongoing offenders but these tools requires to invest a lot of time.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2004 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Adam Waldenberg):
Even if you don't play games most of the time, it still is most compatible. No other solution can run aga software too.
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Posted by 62.131.178.212 on 07-Jul-2004 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (pixie):
> His nick isn't at all important as long as he stands by it... as you get to know
> him as a person whether no one would/could do the same on you.

Oh, that's the problem! Then from now on my nick will be "62.131.178.212" whenever I would feel like posting semi-anonymously. ;-)
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Posted by Agima on 07-Jul-2004 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (62.131.178.212):
>>Then from now on my nick will be "62.131.178.212" whenever I would feel like posting semi-anonymously. ;-)


Or you could use the nick "That guy from NL that uses planet.nl as his ISP and lives near Amersfoort." But we still wouldn't know who you are I suppose.
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Posted by Neko on 07-Jul-2004 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Of course there is much more to an Amiga than "exec".

When you bought your first A1000, was it because of the kernel?

Or because you could paint in 4096 colours at 640x512 when PCs could barely
manage 16?

The technical qualities of the underlying OS are really unimportant now, we
live in a world where Amithlon and Amiga Forever have redefined what an Amiga
is - at least you can paint in millions of colours in your semi-favourite
applications without an Amiga to do it.

MorphOS is all about the hardware; the Pegasos is what makes it cool, not the
rather boring aspect of running Amiga software on a PowerPC, which is really a
gimmick for Amigans and not much more (because nobody else cares). Freescale
didn't want to paint in 4096 colours or play 4-channel high quality stereo
sound..

Neko
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Posted by Neko on 07-Jul-2004 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Neko):
I should add that even though Freescale didn't want MorphOS for the paint
packages and the sound and the Amiga-like qualities, they still get it on
every shipped machine whether they like it or not.. MorphOS is in practically
every Freescale office around the world, and some of the engineers even boot
into it on occasion :)

Neko
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Posted by Darth_X on 07-Jul-2004 22:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (koan):
> The original reason for "trusted" or "registered" users was to stop trolls from forging posts to stir up trouble.

Yes of course!

> Registered users are no more unanonymous than anyone else using a nick and a number of them have been known to troll.

and?

> With regards to the thread, if you are pro MorphOS go to MorphZone, if you are pro AOS4 go to AmigaWorld.net and if you are interested in both go to ANN. Simple.

I am neither pro-MOS or pro-OS4. Any operating system is fine for me.. the object here is to not use Windows ever again! ;)

My goal is to never have to buy & install Windows XP!

I'm pro "custom designed hardware for awesome graphics/multimedia/music/pro-audio".



Neither pegasos nor a1/teron as powerpc platforms offer this kind of hardware performance. Although PCs offer fast processors for cheap, they are not efficient and run very hot .. you need no less than 3 fans to operate it!!!

Show me a modern day computer platform that is effiently designed for graphics/multimedia/audio, affordable, and not a PC or Mac! ;)
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Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 08-Jul-2004 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Yes? So? .. Are you blind? I said; "Its just two different ways of doing things", so stop your pointless jabbering. The only real thing that matters is how well it works.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Jul-2004 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Don Cox):
Somebody's been watching the science channel :P
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