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[News] Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working???ANN.lu
Posted on 09-Jul-2004 11:54 GMT by Raffaele136 comments
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According to these news on amiganews site, a beta-tester of Amiga OS 4.0 published on the web a video of 20 MB showing native Picasso96 on AOS4. It should match speed-benchmark points in performance as seen in a recent meeting. At least this is what I understood from my poor understandability skill of german language and from rough google translation.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 1 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Jul-2004 09:56 GMT
Everything seems fast.

It also shows the disadvantage of no longer being able to genlock the computer display to the video camera. Two steps forward, one step back.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 2 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2004 09:57 GMT
It starts to resemble to MorphOS in speed at last :)

However those subdirectories opening behind their parent window are interesting.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 3 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Jul-2004 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Emeric SH):
I think it's a problem with Click-to-Front. Maybe the sub*drawer* ("directories" is a Windows term, lamer! :-P) is opened a bit too fast? ;-)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 4 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 09-Jul-2004 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Sammy Nordström):
I still type "dir" in a shell unless I need LFORMAT.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 5 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2004 10:55 GMT
"I think it's a problem with Click-to-Front. Maybe the sub*drawer* ("directories" is a Windows term, lamer! :-P) is opened a bit too fast? ;-)"

Too fast? Under normal circumstances the following happens:

First click: icon switches to selected state.
Second click: the new window opens.
Third click: it's received by new window, as it overlaps the parent one.

Click-To-Front either has to skip simple double clicks on folders, or perform it's duty before the new window opens. Either way, it's pretty unusual, and haven't seen it on MorphOS AFAIR.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 6 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Jul-2004 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (the man in the shadows):
Personally I prefer "ls". But then, we where talking about opening windows in the Workbench, not listing directories in the Shell, CLI or AmigaDOS, remember?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 7 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2004 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Sammy Nordström):
"Maybe the sub*drawer* ("directories" is a Windows term, lamer! :-P)"

Maybe it's just me, I haven't yet heard of this subdrawer thingie :) Even google provides only 107 hits, which is kinda... few. :) And neither of them refers to your description. So you can make me a favour, thank you :)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 8 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Jul-2004 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Emeric SH):
Emeric, the "too fast" comment wasn't serious. However, I seriously believe it has something to do with Click-to-Front (I think I "over heard" someone mention it), but I also think it will only need a minor correction to fix it. I really don't think we need to make a big deal out of this and pointing out that MorphOS doesn't have this problem is not much of an argument, now is it?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 9 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 09-Jul-2004 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Emeric SH):
Or maybe, just maybe. It's opened with a qualifier Key, to force the new windows to open in the background?

I don't know either, but it might be an explanation,

/LB
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 10 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2004 11:12 GMT
"Emeric, the "too fast" comment wasn't serious. <snip> I really don't think we need to make a big deal out of this and pointing out that MorphOS doesn't have this problem is not much of an argument, now is it?"

Unless it's became known that your too fast comment is not serious, MorphOS was a perfect example, as it operates around the same speed as we saw. If there is no problem with click to front stemming from speed issues, then the reason must be something else (than speed).
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 11 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Jul-2004 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Emeric SH):
You do know of the Amiga workbench term "drawer", right? If it's the sub prefix that sets you off, maybe this link will help you:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=SUB-

"Sub" is a prefix that you can put in front of basicly anything that is subordinate to something. In this particular case, we were talking about a drawer that was subordinate to the parent drawer, hence a "sub-drawer".

But then, it was all just a joke to begin with. I was just teasing you, ok?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 12 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 09-Jul-2004 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Sammy Nordström):
Why not throw away "ClickToFront" and other minicommodities and create proper hotkey prefs?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 13 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 09-Jul-2004 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Sammy Nordström):
"Maybe the sub*drawer* ("directories" is a Windows term, lamer! :-P) is opened a bit too fast? ;-)" "Directory" is an Amiga term. Every Amiga app I have seen refers them as directories. Only Workbench names them as "drawers".
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 14 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2004 11:25 GMT
"But then, it was all just a joke to begin with. I was just teasing you, ok?"

Hope there will be no hard feelings either when I call you an asshole? :) <- there's a smiley you see :)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 15 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Jul-2004 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (itix):
True. And besides, "Drawer" sounds gay anyway.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 16 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 09-Jul-2004 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (hooligan/dcs):
ROTFLMAO!
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 17 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Jul-2004 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Emeric SH):
Hey, there is a *BIG* difference between calling things names and calling people names. Furthermore, words such as the one you mentioned is words that offend even if it's not directly aimed at anyone since it's a swearword.

Calm down, dude. Something is really wrong if it takes as much as refering to directories as drawers to offend you. Take a break, drink de-caf for a few days...
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 18 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Jul-2004 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (itix):
>Only Workbench names them as "drawers".

But then again, the issue was *only* about workbench.

My god this is getting silly... Forget I ever said anything, ok?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 19 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Jul-2004 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Sammy Nordström):
Directory a Windows term ? I doubt it
Isn't the Microsoft term "Folder" or was it on MacOS ?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 20 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 09-Jul-2004 11:59 GMT
Btw. on topic: AmigaOS looks fast now.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 21 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Jul-2004 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Christophe Decanini):
"Directory" is the formal term. There are directories in a CLI-only system such as MSDOS.

The directories are presented visually as Folders on the Mac Finder and the Windows Desktop, and as Drawers in the Amiga Workbench. Same as files are presented as file icons.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 22 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 09-Jul-2004 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (itix):
Definitely for those who have seen previous AOS4 speed, it's: "AmigaOS4 looks fast now."

People who only have used 68k AOS on decently accelerated Amiga HW/Amithlon: "AmigaOS4 looks like AmigaOS now."

Eva is quietly thinking: "AmigaOS4 looks like MorphOS now."

:)

What I think..... ... " ARGH these mediaplayers @ work refuse to play that .avi @£$€£@! "
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 23 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 09-Jul-2004 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
While I haven't had the chance to check it out myself, I can generally recommend the player @ videolan.org - it often works wonders :)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 24 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 09-Jul-2004 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
The video that is.. I've often used the player ;)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 25 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Jul-2004 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
I don't know what eva is thinking.. im thinking what the HECK was that.. seems like a musicvideo from 80s with all the flashing lights and colors :)
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Posted by itix on 09-Jul-2004 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
"What I think..... ... " ARGH these mediaplayers @ work refuse to play that .avi @£$€£@! "" Use an Amiga, dude ;)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 27 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Jul-2004 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
"What I think..... ... " ARGH these mediaplayers @ work refuse to play that .avi @£$€£@! ""

Frogger decided it had to "reconstruct the indices", and then plays it nicely. (On Amithlon)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 28 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2004 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Sammy Nordström):
"Hey, there is a *BIG* difference between calling things names and calling people names. Furthermore, words such as the one you mentioned is words that offend even if it's not directly aimed at anyone since it's a swearword."

Weren't you calling me lamer then? I stand by my word, you can do me a favour.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 29 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by damn on 09-Jul-2004 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
it plays fine with mplayer on morphos.

looks like os4 is finally getting up to par with morphos on speed, but it seemed a bit slow at launching ibrowse. on my peg it takes only a fraction of a second ;)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 30 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by top on 09-Jul-2004 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
Yes speed, seems to be now as fast as AOS3.X under UAE PC/PPC computers & MOS.

Speed will probably much faster after some months of system optimisation.

hope UAE will allow AmigaUAE users in future to buy and use AmigaOS4 PPC and 68k apps on PC and PPC hardware.
This will be great to allow every AmigaUser migrate to AmigaOS4 and still grow the number of users...
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 31 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2004 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (top):
"Speed will probably much faster after some months of system optimisation."

I disagree with that. There are still features lacking (for example MorphOS windows can have rounded title bars, etc.), which will mean some slowing down. Further optimisation will probably only sustain the speed at it's best.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 32 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 09-Jul-2004 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (damn):
Takes 7 seconds here to launch without the help of Trance.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 33 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Conor Kerr on 09-Jul-2004 15:04 GMT
I have to say that I'm very impressed with the speed of the system as shown in the video... it's definitely fast than my stock A4000T but that's no real surprise!

I only wish the hardware was as desirable as OS4.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 34 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Jul-2004 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (tarbos):
1 second (with trance turned on, of course)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 35 of 136ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 15 (hooligan/dcs):
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Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 36 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jul-2004 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (hooligan/dcs):
Guess it depends on cache settings, with cache set to harddisk it takes
5-7 secs to start Ibrowse, with cache set to ram: it takes 2-3 secs
(Pegasos II G3). Also exiting Ibrowse takes 4-5 secs with cache being cleaned up.
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Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 46 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 09-Jul-2004 17:55 GMT
Was EVA here!? ;)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 47 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Jul-2004 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (pixie):
I don't know but there was a big flamewar starting and I used the big water hose ;)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 48 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Jul-2004 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (damn):
"Looks like os4 is finally getting up to par with Morphos on speed, but it seemed a bit slow at launching Ibrowse. On my peg it takes only a fraction of a second ;)"

This would be affected by the choice of home page.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 49 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 09-Jul-2004 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Christophe Decanini):
>I don't know but there was a big flamewar starting and I used the big water hose ;)

Water hose, CS gas and rubber bullets more like!!! :-)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 50 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 09-Jul-2004 18:50 GMT
Had seen it, just got to say... wow! :D
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