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[News] Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working???ANN.lu
Posted on 09-Jul-2004 11:54 GMT by Raffaele136 comments
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According to these news on amiganews site, a beta-tester of Amiga OS 4.0 published on the web a video of 20 MB showing native Picasso96 on AOS4. It should match speed-benchmark points in performance as seen in a recent meeting. At least this is what I understood from my poor understandability skill of german language and from rough google translation.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 101 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Payne on 10-Jul-2004 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Don Cox):
Well actually it's because the refresh of the camera isn't 60hz, I dealt with this during animation studies as part of my art study course back in 1990-1993, simple to alter on a normal video camera, not sure about a webcam though.

Chris
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 102 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jul-2004 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Chris Payne):
"Well actually it's because the refresh of the camera isn't 60hz, I dealt with this during animation studies as part of my art study course back in 1990-1993, simple to alter on a normal video camera, not sure about a webcam though."

It's because the refresh of the screen is not synced to that of the camera. In principle they could both be 50Hz, or 60Hz, or 83 Hz or whatever. In practice, a 50Hz frame rate is standard for PAL Video, so the computer display would have to be refreshed at exactly that rate and exactly in phase. All standard on an Amiga.

There is an alternative on Windows - there are several "screen capture" programs which make an AVI directly from whatever Windows sends to the monitor. It would need a very fast PC to capture something like 1600x1200 at 85Hz - and a very fast PC to play it back. But it is possible to capture part of the screen and sample some of the refresh intervals.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 103 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Eric_S on 10-Jul-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Hot Rod):
Instead of doing things in their coffee break and totally fuck up every possible concept of the OS, MOS developers get things done in a proper way.

I suggest you spend amigaworld.net a couple of more visits to see the braindeadness of OS4's coredevelopers when it comes to OS design.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 104 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 10-Jul-2004 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Eric_S):
didn't understand what you say... this video didn't impressed you!? Isn't it amigaos? r is it flame just for flame!?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 105 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 10-Jul-2004 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Eric_S):
now I see, you fight evil with evil...
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 106 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 10-Jul-2004 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Framiga):
Framiga wrote:
> IB starting time, depends by some factors (as stated by the
> diskcache but not only).
> I second as reported, is a mere BS (in a "normal" environment)

Huh? It takes 1 second (or less) here too, on my Pegasos 1 G3@600MHz
with a not very fast hard drive. Cache is set to minimum since the
internet connection is very fast.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 107 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 10-Jul-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (hooligan/dcs):
LIAR . . . naaa!!! never in my life . . . optimist? maybe

and for my "normal enviroment" . . .who cares . . .i don't play to "mine is bigger than yours" from . .mhhh quite 40 years. Dont like it . . .no more.

Bye
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 108 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2004 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Framiga):
Pathetic answer.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 109 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 11-Jul-2004 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Johan Rönnblom):
>Huh? It takes 1 second (or less) here too, on my Pegasos 1 G3@600MHz

It takes less than a second on my A1@800 Mhz here. But that is with MUI already
in memory. But since MUI is used for Ambient in MOS, that means that MUI is
always loaded. On AOS4 it takes abit longer the first time but that is rather
obvious.

regards,
Stefan
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 110 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 11-Jul-2004 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Stefan Burström):
Hi Stefan

exacly what i meant to say.
3 seconds here on a 060 . . . thanks to the above motivations ;-)

Ciao
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 111 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-Jul-2004 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Framiga):
>exacly what i meant to say.

I recall you said was that one second was bullshit.

Try to make up your mind now.. bullshit, or no bullshit.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 112 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Jul-2004 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Stefan Burström):
Stefan: Yes, that makes sense. Not that it can take that long to load
MUI either, considering how fast MOS boots including MUI. But I don't
know if there's a PPC native version of MUI for OS4 yet.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 113 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Jul-2004 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Johan Rönnblom):
Hm. Seems there is a native MUI for OS4 after all. Must be some other
reason then.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 114 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 11-Jul-2004 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Hot Rod):
Posted by Hot Rod (81.230.10.238) on 10-Jul-2004 14:17:13
In Reply to Comment 72 (Eva):
It's a beta. Do you know the difference? MOS will stay in beta-stage forever while AOS 4 is going from beta to stable.
_____________

These are the perfect example of Aos4 users!
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 115 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Mayday, it's eva on 11-Jul-2004 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Eva):
These are the perfect example of Aos4 users!

-------------

And that's a perfect example of a blue troll!
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 116 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 11-Jul-2004 17:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Eva):
Speaking of MOS, what's the latest news on that front? Haven't heard anything about 1.5 update, anyone have some info in this? Perhaps it's already released & i missed it. (This isn't flamebait, but i can't recall wether or not it's out there)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 117 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Jul-2004 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Amon_Re):
There are no official dates or anything about MOS1.5, some planned
features are known, that's all. We just have to see. If you're
thinking about buying a Pegasos, I wouldn't hold my breath until 1.5,
take a serious look at 1.4 right now instead.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 118 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Jul-2004 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Mayday, it's eva):
Nah... Eva is just an idiot. Just like you of course. :-)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 119 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 11-Jul-2004 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Johan Rönnblom):
I'm not thinking about buying a pegasos, my next machine will be µ sized, i'm running out of place on my desk :P
The reason i asked was because it's been silent on that front here on ann.lu, i could've missed it.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 120 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Jul-2004 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Amon_Re):
Haha, I don't think it would have been silent if 1.5 had been
released. :-D
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 121 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Jul-2004 03:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Johan Rönnblom):
Why? Does it implement beep()? :P
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 122 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Jul-2004 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Amon_Re):
More likely KaboomBang()
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 123 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 12-Jul-2004 04:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (hooligan/dcs):
No worries, I'm sure ChaoZer will provide a patch that will warn you in good time before playing any loud noises... ;)))


- CISC
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 124 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Jul-2004 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (hooligan/dcs):
Is that called before or after flushtoilet()? :D
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 125 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2004 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Amon_Re):
Well AMon, while Aos4 sound is just a Beep() function (implementated using Alkis only neuron), Mos AHI is a full 5.1 sourround sound engine.
About Aos1.5 the answer is "Why bother Oan update if you want a Pegasos? Mos1.4 is already dozens times more advanced that this alpha Aos4. If your ask is not a flamebait ... it's a trollbait"
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 126 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2004 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Eva):
20 times faster???

you are a joke.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 127 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Jul-2004 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Anonymous):
Incase you're too dumb, it was a joke
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 128 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Jul-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Amon_Re):
Maybe comment 125 was a joke too? In any case both "jokes" were bad. :)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 129 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Jul-2004 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Johan Rönnblom):
Maybe, i'm still trying to parse it :D
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 130 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Jul-2004 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Don Cox):
>>"AOS4 on A1 seems faster. And that's not too bad, A1+AOS4 seems to be the fastest (native) AOS system ever. ;)"
>I propose using Image Studio for speed tests. It is free on Aminet.

Is there native AOS4 version available?

Other than that, despite the lack of the raw calculation power when comparing to the x86(native), any system running AmigaOS tend to give better overall Amiga feeling (especially responsiveness) than the same system with Linux/Windows/OSX.

But also in that raw performance area, A1+AOS4 seem to close the gap 10 years (being only 4-5 years behind). Reaching towards x86(4*PPC clock) speed in 68k emulation and passing it in native AOS code.

>How long does your Amiga-like computer take to apply a blur to a 2000x2000 pixel image?

I have A4k/060/50 and assuming 68k version... I bet it would take long time (A1+AOS4 system & non-JIT 68k most likely outperforms it already, CSPPC+AOS4 should not outperform it, yet).

About the "Amiga-like" -thing. I prefer the continuation of the original untill:
a) development stops
b) it becomes un-usable or slow or (more) difficult to use
c) the alternative becomes more appealing (a lot of factors, like BB)
d) I die.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 131 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Jul-2004 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Eva):
I very rarely use sysspeed for anything productive...

It's more important to get the high responsiveness in general than get high numbers in any single benchmark.

(even though A1 seems to beat pegs in some tings, like RC5 and some memory benchmarks, I'm sure it does not indicate any real life performance difference)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 132 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 12-Jul-2004 12:36 GMT
Anyway

There's another video available, check the unmoderated news.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 133 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jul-2004 22:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Anonymous):
Well AMon, while Aos4 sound is just a Beep() function (implementated using Alkis only neuron),
--

Your mother is a whore.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 134 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 13-Jul-2004 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (damn):
That's maybe because it's m68k Ibrowse and JIT is not available yet.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 135 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 13-Jul-2004 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Emeric SH):
Depends on it how ready PPC native P96 is. It's quite possible that speed will improve even more, when P96 is further optimized. This is first time we see P96 PPC in action, so i would not be surprised if speed is improved even more.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 136 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 13-Jul-2004 08:58 GMT
Looks wery good.
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