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[News] Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working???ANN.lu
Posted on 09-Jul-2004 11:54 GMT by Raffaele136 comments
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According to these news on amiganews site, a beta-tester of Amiga OS 4.0 published on the web a video of 20 MB showing native Picasso96 on AOS4. It should match speed-benchmark points in performance as seen in a recent meeting. At least this is what I understood from my poor understandability skill of german language and from rough google translation.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 51 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 09-Jul-2004 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Don Cox):
Mr. Don Cox wrote:

>The directories are presented visually as Folders
>on the Mac Finder and the Windows Desktop,
>and as Drawers in the Amiga Workbench.
>Same as files are presented as file icons.

Yes, you are right man.

And more "drawer" icon-type is one of the five icon-types that Workbench could handle.

Workbench is the unique GUI in the wolrd that could handle 5 icon-types native, without deal with MIMEs which means to assign it automatically or manually as in Windows.

Devices - Files - Programs - Drawers and fifth is the special icon-type Irashcan.

(if I remember well... Or it was Disks - hard-disks - files/programs - drawers and Trashcan)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 52 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 09-Jul-2004 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (pixie):
You bring up BBRV just one time and look what happens ;)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 53 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 09-Jul-2004 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Agima):
Wrong names @ wrong threads can stirr up troubles indeed..
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 54 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 09-Jul-2004 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (pixie):
Just stay on a right planet.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 55 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Kulwant Bhogal on 09-Jul-2004 20:29 GMT
hmm. am I the only one who can't view this video?

Moovid barfs, Moovid DIVX barfs, Action barfs (unsupported compression: AVI_XVID!), even Realplayer and Mdeiaplayer 9 on a pc barfs - what gives?

K
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 56 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Gobgob on 09-Jul-2004 21:32 GMT
No problem here, with Videolan, Mplayer, Bsplayer and media Player Classic, but
the XviD codec help too.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 57 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Dunham on 09-Jul-2004 23:10 GMT
On the Windows side of things, I use the Core Media Player now. It's rather swanky. :)

Regarding the video. Wow. It's truly wonderful that a really fast OS is back. I can't WAIT to get my hands on one of these puppies.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 58 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2004 02:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Emeric SH):
EmericSH wrote 'It starts to resemble to MorphOS in speed at last :) '

I think it starts to resemble MacOS X speed at last :-P
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 59 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 10-Jul-2004 03:10 GMT
Now, after I managed to see the avi...
I had to boot up my A4k/060/VC64-3D/IDE to make comparissons.
(using glow icons, magic WB icons, opening windows, opening apps...)
AOS4 on A1 seems faster. And that's not too bad, A1+AOS4 seems to be the fastest (native) AOS system ever. ;)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 60 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-Jul-2004 04:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Emeric SH):
Wow... You're amazing. Even when I've said it out in the open, black on white, that what I said was not meant to be taken seriously, you insist on doing so.

Fine, call me whatever you want. I don't even know who you are, anyway...
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 61 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jul-2004 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Kulwant Bhogal):
"Moovid barfs, Moovid DIVX barfs, Action barfs (unsupported compression: AVI_XVID!), even Realplayer and Mdeiaplayer 9 on a pc barfs - what gives?"

What is wrong is that there are far too many codecs around. A law banning the coding of video codecs is overdue.

Frogger plays it.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 62 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jul-2004 06:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (priest):
"AOS4 on A1 seems faster. And that's not too bad, A1+AOS4 seems to be the fastest (native) AOS system ever. ;)"

I propose using Image Studio for speed tests. It is free on Aminet.

How long does your Amiga-like computer take to apply a blur to a 2000x2000 pixel image?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 63 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 10-Jul-2004 06:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Kulwant Bhogal):
"Moovid barfs, Moovid DIVX barfs, Action barfs (unsupported compression: AVI_XVID!), even Realplayer and Mdeiaplayer 9 on a pc barfs - what gives?"

Frogger and MPlayer plays it out of the box, I have a beta of the coming MooVId, even that plays it fine. (MorphOS/Pegasos I G3)

Linux MPlayer plays it as well, on Win you have to download the latest DivX codex from divx.com.

It seems for some odd reason Linux, and even MorphOS is a better platform for playing movies than Windows itself :)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 64 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 10-Jul-2004 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Sammy Nordström):
"Wow... You're amazing. Even when I've said it out in the open, black on white, that what I said was not meant to be taken seriously, you insist on doing so."

It seems like your sensitivity is a bit out of balance as usual.

"I think it's a problem with Click-to-Front. Maybe the sub*drawer* ("directories" is a Windows term, lamer! :-P) is opened a bit too fast? ;-)"

Unless you can point out in the above where it comes out that is was not meant to be taken seriously, you owe me an apology. In my version there was "<- there's a smiley you see :)", yet you have taken it as offence. In yours there is not the slightest sign of that, yet you claim that I've take things too seriously, while I offend you.

You're the same since years. Come, derail threads with silly, and baseless arguments (subdrawer, where on earth have you heard or seen that?), insult those who participate, and claim the moral high grounds.

See what's my problem is?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 65 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2004 07:02 GMT
Subdrawer sounds even *more* gay than just Drawer =)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 66 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by The_Gunner on 10-Jul-2004 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Emeric SH):
Dontcha love ANN
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 67 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 10-Jul-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (The_Gunner):
My precioussssssssssssssss :)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 68 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jul-2004 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
If i could get my G4 mac at work to respond that fast i'd be a happy man...
640MB of ram should be sufficiant for the OS alone no? :P
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 69 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jul-2004 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Don Cox):
Applying a blur? Man, go out & grab some beers, everything will be blurry then :P
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 70 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 10-Jul-2004 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
Definitely for those who have seen previous AOS4 speed, it's: "AmigaOS4 looks fast now."

People who only have used 68k AOS on decently accelerated Amiga HW/Amithlon: "AmigaOS4 looks like AmigaOS now."

Eva is quietly thinking: "AmigaOS4 looks like MorphOS now."

:)
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What I think is that after 3 years Aos4 is starting to reach a level similar to Mos 1.0
For my good sake it's nice to see on Aos4 forum how ppl is so happy of the stability and fast of ACTUALLY avaiable alpha of Aos4.
It could be that in 2006 we'll see a decent version of Aos4 similar to Mos 1.5 (but in 2006 we'lll have Mos 2 ... or 3)

All words to answer to someone: we are in 2004 and ppl continue to go around with an unstable aplha toy with an emulated video subsystem: nice...
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 71 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Go Eva, go! on 10-Jul-2004 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Eva):
LOL! She still doesn't have any idea what she's talking about.

"emulated graphics subsystem"? There's none in OS4.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 72 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 10-Jul-2004 08:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (pixie):
Posted by pixie (81.193.56.199) on 09-Jul-2004 19:55:32
Was EVA here!? ;)

______________

Ciao Pixie, sure!
And you continue to repeat that Aos4 will be avaiable in 2 months, like you said in 2001? :D

Now we can see it (the developer alpha is really the MANIFESTO of Aos4): in 2004 it's really a to have OS: fast and stable (LOL).

In 2006 what will we have? A complete native PPC system ... at least?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 73 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 10-Jul-2004 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Conor Kerr):
Posted by Conor Kerr (62.254.32.6) on 09-Jul-2004 17:04:12
I have to say that I'm very impressed with the speed of the system as shown in the video... it's definitely fast than my stock A4000T but that's no real surprise!

I only wish the hardware was as desirable as OS4.
___________

Mos is minimum 20 times faster in the same things :D
Ah and it's out, avaiable for enduser since 2 year: it's why it's also stable.
I know that for AOS4 camp this is a word that cannot be named but ... it exists, so.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 74 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 10-Jul-2004 08:16 GMT
A little addendum: a SysSpeed test (Intuition and Graphics) between an AoneG3+Aos4 and Pegasos2G3+Mos would be really nice ihihih
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 75 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-Jul-2004 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Emeric SH):
>"Wow... You're amazing. Even when I've said it out in the open, black on
>white, that what I said was not meant to be taken seriously, you insist on
>doing so."
>
>It seems like your sensitivity is a bit out of balance as usual.

Out of balance or not, why do you ignore me when I try to explain that it was not meant to be taken seriously? Why do you keep implying that I would have NOT meant it as a joke?

Not beeing able to take a joke makes you the one with a poor balanced sensitivity, IMO.

>"I think it's a problem with Click-to-Front. Maybe the sub*drawer*
>("directories" is a Windows term, lamer! :-P) is opened a bit too fast? ;-)"
>
>Unless you can point out in the above where it comes out that is was not meant >to be taken seriously, you owe me an apology.

Within paranthesis and with multiple smileys, can it be more obvious?

>In my version there was "<- there's a smiley you see :)", yet you have taken
>it as offence. In yours there is not the slightest sign of that, yet you claim
>that I've take things too seriously, while I offend you.

The word you used is offensive for anyone reading it, even if not aimed at anyone in particular, since it is a rather foul swearword. Furthermore, the over-clarified comment made the smiley seem rather sarcastic.

>You're the same since years. Come, derail threads with silly, and baseless
>arguments (subdrawer, where on earth have you heard or seen that?), insult
>those who participate, and claim the moral high grounds.

Still insisting on making it seem like I meant the "sub-drawer" comment seriously... I have a friend that always teases me as soon as I use PC related terms when talking about Amigas and call me "PC-damaged". Honestly, it was just a stupid comment in hopes of lightening up the mood in here. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your view of me as the pain-in-the-butt-ANN-troll (PITBAT, cool new acronym? :)).

>See what's my problem is?

Yes, your problem is that you will not let anyone get out of the virtual category you've placed them in with your preconcieved notions.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 76 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-Jul-2004 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Eva):
So, did you enjoy the animation of the fake AmigaOS4? I think they did a good job on the movements of the mouse and the flickering screen. It looked almost real, didn't it?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 77 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jul-2004 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Sammy Nordström):
"It looked almost real, didn't it?"

Actually it looked complete crap. For a computer that used to be famous for its video features, that low grade flickery mess is really bad. I would be embarassed to show it to anyone.

They do need to get a video card working before anyone tries to record any more demos.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 78 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-Jul-2004 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Don Cox):
Giv'em a break. This video was "home-made" by one of the beta-testers, I'm quite sure real official public demonstrations of AmigaOS4 will be made quite a bit more professional than this, don't you think?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 79 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 10-Jul-2004 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Sammy Nordström):
The thread is available for anyone to read. I don't think I have to take this from you any further.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 80 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-Jul-2004 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Emeric SH):
>I don't think I have to take this from you any further.

If you took something from me, give it back to me please! If you want something from me, I would appreciate if you atleast asked me first.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 81 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by samo79 on 10-Jul-2004 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Emeric SH):
Eva, stop your flame war plase, and go away
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 82 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 10-Jul-2004 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Don Cox):
sorry don but not everyone had access to a genlock, and not everyone has access to a gfx card with tv out, or a top range camcorder.

the guy used a webcam on his pc and admited that was the reason why it was crap looking.

you only use the tools you have available.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 83 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2004 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Eva):
What has this got to do with P96 being ppc-native on OS4?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 84 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2004 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Eva):
What has this got to do with P96 being ppc-native?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 85 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2004 09:59 GMT
Could be slower than morphos, who gives? its FAST enough.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 86 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2004 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
Dude, theres no such thing as fast enough
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 87 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jul-2004 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (derf):
"The guy used a webcam on his pc and admited that was the reason why it was crap looking. You only use the tools you have available."

Just don't show it to anyone outside the Amiga community. It simply is not up to the standard we should expect in 1994.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 88 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-Jul-2004 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (hooligan/dcs):
Looking at it logicly, it would depend entirely on what it would be fast enough for. Anything faster than my own ability to react should be fast enough for me. =)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 89 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2004 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Don Cox):
Dumbass Don...

Think home quality camcorder on a screen -- you're going to get flicker!

Go away!
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 90 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2004 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Sammy Nordström):
We all lost logic several years ago
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 91 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 10-Jul-2004 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (hooligan/dcs):
True.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 92 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jul-2004 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Anonymous):
"Think home quality camcorder on a screen -- you're going to get flicker!"

Of course I know _why_ he got a bad result. My point is that we are supposed to be making a replacement for the Amiga computer. With an Amiga, one expects good quality video. That file is nowhere near what you expect from an A2000 with a VLab or PAR card - both considered long obsolete by any video user.

Does anyone have a video card working on an AmigaOne (or a Pegasos)?
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 93 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 10-Jul-2004 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Eva):
> And you continue to repeat that Aos4 will be avaiable in 2 months, like you said in 2001? :D

I!? I don't and never planned to buy one why should I bragged about it? I've been running my solution and very happy should I had.

But now, where do you see MorphOS write in the topic? Forgot your glasses? :D
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 94 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 10-Jul-2004 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Don Cox):
the flickering is caused by the camcorder I would assume, not the screen itself
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 95 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 10-Jul-2004 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
IB starting time, depends by some factors (as stated by the diskcache but not only).

1 second as reported, is a mere BS. (in a "normal" enviroment)

Bye
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 96 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Hot Rod on 10-Jul-2004 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Eva):
It's a beta. Do you know the difference? MOS will stay in beta-stage forever while AOS 4 is going from beta to stable. When was the first version of MOS released? And when you look at what you got now are you impressed? LOL ... It will end up just like Voyager ;-)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 97 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 10-Jul-2004 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Hot Rod):
MorphOS 0.4 beta was released in 2000. There was PPC native MUI 3.9 and CGX 5 (IIRC). (MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 teams have very different strategies in this regard.)
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 98 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jul-2004 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (pixie):
"The flickering is caused by the camcorder I would assume, not the screen itself"

It's caused by the screen display not being genlocked to the camera. At one time Amigas were used in TV studios when a computer screen had to be shown, because they could be genlocked. The display could be mocked up to look like a PC if necesary. This avoided the flickering and black bands.
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 99 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 10-Jul-2004 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Don Cox):
But when you record this happens, with a genlock you could also save this to video...
Native Picasso96 on AOS4.0 now working??? : Comment 100 of 136ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2004 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Framiga):
> 1 second as reported, is a mere BS. (in a "normal" enviroment)

Hmm... so you're calling me a liar? How long IBrowse takes to load in your so called "normal environment", if I may ask?
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