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[Forum] [forum] OS4 video by crisotANN.lu
Posted on 11-Jul-2004 14:50 GMT by Wankerraffalellelala164 comments
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Just in case you didn't noticed:: 'Crisot' (the same guy who released the 'pegasos in the toilet' video some time ago, about we laught a lot) released a video which shows current status of OS4 (please check the previous posting here on ann.lu). I have watched this video now again and again and it's normal to come to the conclusion that it's faked. No, not the content, but the speed. The framerate is not correct/realtime, it was made faster. You can spot this easily by watching the mouse movements of the user for example.

Is OS4 so bad that's required to release a video which is 'faked' in such way? I don't think so. And yes, I agree that the Prerelease isn't "the fast thing" i expected to get for my A1.

It makes me a little bit sick how some users are operate to spread 'propaganda'. Isn't it bad enough already that OS4 is so much behind the competition in same market. Now MorphOS users laugh at me for beeing a loyal amiga user. :-\ I'm already happy with the Prerelease, but I hope thing will become a lot faster, but such video is useless.

This is a request to all: please keep such stuff out of this community. When you release a video then release a video which shows true facts. It's from absolutly no use to 'lie' by publishing false information. In the end the normal user is the only stupid.

Crisot, release a proper version of your video to stop this! Thanks. @kemp:
Sorry for posting over anonymizer, but i have reasons to keep my IP/ identity secret for now. Thanks for your understanding. But I feelt it is required to bring this to public discussion. :\
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 151 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 14-Jul-2004 08:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Eva):
Get over it... MorphOS doesn't turn AmigaOS and for me it is a good thing... but one thing is for shure Amiga never had to handover the market place to Genesi, if Genesi wanted it they would have no more right then any other companie trying to estabilish itself in this field, so don't give that crap excuse that:'"all the FAKE announces they declared were just made to kill a competitor while ALSO claiming Legal actions they never were able to comply."'
If it's the reason of (an hypothetical) Genesi failing they deserve no mercy at all...

get over it but stop repeating al the same thing all over again, maybe then you'll find relief.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 152 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 14-Jul-2004 08:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Stefan Burström):
EVA is jealous...
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 153 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Jul-2004 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (hmmm....):
> 1. Hyperion already said that the reason why they didn't go with WarpOS was
> that they found the performance unacceptable (since they are obviously
> planning on selling games for OS4, performance is very important for them)

That doesn't explain why going for WarpOS would have eliminated 3 years of developement unrelated to WarpOS.

> 2. The reason why they've taken three years is because large parts of OS3 were
> written in BCPL and 68K assembler. I bet that even the C parts had a lot of
> SAS/C specific stuff in them and would not compile under gcc. Those had to be
> rewritten in portable C. So that's why NOW they can claim it's portable. BCPL
> and 68K asm is not.

And how would have WarpOS eliminated those problems?


> But you already knew that, because it's been discussed to death. You just want
> to say something negative, and it's good to see that you're running out of
> topics.

Sir, you clearly don't understand plain English.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 154 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Jul-2004 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Fabio Alemagna):
IMO, even if the 3 months was overly optimistic estimation, the plan in 2001 was totally different.

IIRC, Hyperion thought they "just" merge / integrate a load of stuff together to get AOS4.0 that contains 99% of AOS3.9 and about nothing else.

That plan has changed and more and more features have been added to 4.0. Traditionally such SW process mean that the SW is never ready for release.

I hope AOS4.0 featureset is fully frozen at this point.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 155 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Jul-2004 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (priest):
And IIRC (again), originally AOS4.0 was supposed to run almost everything in 68k emulation (and to use AmigaOne1200 for legacy dependant code).
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 156 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Jul-2004 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (priest):
> IIRC, Hyperion thought they "just" merge / integrate a load of stuff together to
> get AOS4.0 that contains 99% of AOS3.9 and about nothing else.

Oh, but how come they kept saying "2 more weeks" then? ;-)

People, people! Open your eyes, please.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 157 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by _Steve_ on 14-Jul-2004 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Fabio Alemagna):
The original AmigaOne was an add on expansion board for the A1200. It would not have been a completely new motherboard/components which would have required an entirely new kernal to be produced from scratch for them.

As such development time would have been far shorter as you already have/had the AOS kernal and a PPC (WOS) kernal that would have run on the architecture for which OS4 was planned to be released on.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 158 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Jul-2004 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> IIRC, Hyperion thought they "just" merge / integrate a load of stuff together to
>> get AOS4.0 that contains 99% of AOS3.9 and about nothing else.
>Oh, but how come they kept saying "2 more weeks" then? ;-)

It's because of one of these:
a) it was their first OS project
b) they learned things slowly (found new brick wall in every two weeks, etc)
c) no one would have bothered to wait "2 more years"
d) "when it's ready" was not yet invented
e) all of the above

I vote for e.

>People, people! Open your eyes, please.

And stay away from pills. (and Bills)
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 159 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Jul-2004 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (_Steve_):
> The original AmigaOne was an add on expansion board for the A1200. It would not
> have been a completely new motherboard/components which would have required an
> entirely new kernal to be produced from scratch for them.

In 2001, when they said AOS4 was ready, only a matter of a few more weeks, there already was the AmigaONE as we know today.

And, in any case, that doesn't justify the "2 more weeks" babble that they kept repeating every 2 weeks. The clear intent was to try and force loyal amigans to not switch to the alternative solution, that's blatantly obvious.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 160 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 14-Jul-2004 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Stefan Burström):
Imagine Hyperion came in 2000 and claimed IBrowse was illegal and its author team was recompiling InternetExplorer source code.
Imagine they did that to avoid too many 3rd party IBrowse plugins. Imagine they did that to avoid too many new programmers join the IBrowse team. Also imagine they did that to avoid IBrowse become too important because they were preparing their own browser.

Would you still be defending Hyperion in 2004 ? Would you still write "people overexagerate. So what???". Honestly... think about it.

Was it some stupid suppositions from my side ? Well, at least as much as the bullshit they (still) spread about MorphOS.

Take care.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 161 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Jul-2004 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Fabio Alemagna):
> And, in any case, that doesn't justify the "2 more weeks" babble that they kept
> repeating every 2 weeks. The clear intent was to try and force loyal amigans to
> not switch to the alternative solution, that's blatantly obvious.

Mind you, it's either that, or they're totally incompetent. I prefer to think that they're not that incompetent.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 162 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 14-Jul-2004 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> So? I was wrong. Things like that happen. In 2001, as I explained before, things
> looked different, and the plan was different (going with WarpOS instead of
> writing a new kernel).

Sorry to contradict you. But in late 2001, when you announced AmigaOS4 to be ready for betatest in February 2002 and for normal users in April 2002, it was already Exec SG (second generation) based. I hate to tell you what you guys told us (you should remember better than me), but here are some references:
Ben Herman's interview dated 7 Nov 2001 (just after you took over development) - "OS 4 will not be WarpOS based"
Amiga 2001 Cologne show report mid November 2001, when you made that time exstimations - Picasso 96 PPC based was a feature of AOS4 since the beginning, and actually arrived a couple of weeks ago... JIT is still in the process of being integrated. And is the new Warp3D (later referred as Nova) still a white paper?
First AOS4 status report 27 Nov 2001: Exec SG is mentioned and partially described, so you knew about it... and we knew, too. And there were already mentions of the JIT emulator as if it was ready...
Oh, and the feature list became soon very similar to the final one, altough you had to admit (21st Jan 2002) that "the original February release-date might slip somewhat"...

All in all, I believe you knew the truth since the beginning and you purposedly lied (and also your quoted statement I am replying to is a lie) to the customers in order to keep the project viable. In fact, if you said right from the beginning that it would have taken two and a half year to get a Pre-Release out, I think Peg+MOS would have been more successfull, and might have killed any effort for AOS4. OK, I also believe that's how businness works, so I'm not saying you did something wrong.
My hope would have been to see a good game company making titles for a good existing OS since then (2001). I think this would have made things better, in the market and in the community. Pity there was too much pride involved...

Kind regards,
Andrea
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 163 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-Jul-2004 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Eva):
Dear Eva,
I'm probably a MUCH older and more serious MorphOS user (and some years ago
beta tester) than you ever were. Calling me anything like a BAF shows what you
really are... A fucking idiot.
[forum] OS4 video by crisot : Comment 164 of 164ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 14-Jul-2004 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Eva):
LOL! This is rich
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