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[News] Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4ANN.lu
Posted on 18-Jul-2004 12:20 GMT by Jens Schönfeld469 comments
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During the first months of this year, we were totally surprised by the overwhelming demand for Catweasel MK3. All stock has been sold, and even our retail partners do not have anything left in stock. The demand was so high that one controller even went for more than 150,- EUR on eBay!
Unfortunately, it turned out that a new production run of the existing MK3-design cannot be done for reasonable prices, so a re-design became necessary. The new controller is now in the first stage before mass production, so we're confident to be able to show the first controllers at the Amiwest show on july 24th and 25th in Sacramento, Califoria.

Many improvements have been made compared to the Catweasel MK3 that can be summarized under the headline "bigger, better, faster". The changes in detail

The most obvious change is the size of the card: With only 2.5 inch (63.5mm) height, it complies with the low-profile PCI standard that not only fits into any normal computer case, but also in flat models that are so famous among so-called "case-modders". The Flipper-interface will not be continued. Those who need a Catweasel for their classic Amiga can use the Catweasel Z-II S-Class, which is still availble.

Improvements on the floppy controller
Kylwalda built in
While the old Catweasel models always had their own floppy drives that were installed in addition to the existing controller and drives, the MK4 has the option of using the existing diskdrives. After the machine has started, th drives can be used just like before, and after the drivers have been loaded, the Catweasel can take control of these drives when necessary. This is especially useful for smaller cases with fewer drive bays.
We already addressed this problem earlier with an additional product called 'Kylwalda'.

Suppot for auto-eject drives
These drives without eject-button are well-known from Macintosh computers, and they're now fully supported by the Catweasel. You can also mix floppy types, one with an eject-button, and another from the Macintosh world on the same cable.

Hard-sectored disks supported
This kind of 5.25 and 8 inch disks were already readable with the previous Catweasel models, but writing was only possible with a high software effort, and it required a realtime operating system. This effort is not necessary any more with the new controller, because new options allow complete support of these disk types in hardware.

dual-ported memory
Contrary to it's predecessors, the new Catweasel MK4 can pass the data that it is currently reading from a disk to the computer while the read access is running. This allows realtime emulation, and errorfree function of copy-protected software on emulators.

more flexible read- and write operations
In addition to working on whole tracks, which made all previous Catweasel models so flexible, tracks can now also be accesed in part very precisely. Should this become necessary for compatibility or speed reasons, the Catweasel MK4 is perfectly prepared.

extensive timer-functions
Although most operating systems already offer timer-functions in software, you cannot always rely on them. The most recent example are the timing-problems that occur with Hyperthreading-processors and Windows operating systems. Since all timers are running independantly in the hardware of the Catweasel MK4, nothing can go wrong in this regard.

all events can trigger an interrupt (IRQ)
Together with the hardware-timer functions, this is the best solution for multitasking operating systems. The driver software does not have to check regularly if the controller needs attention, which reduces the processor load.

Improvements on the keyboard interface

In addition to Amiga-keyboards, PS/2 devices can now also be connected. Not only keyboards, but also PS/2 mice are supported. The keyboard controller can now trigger IRQs, and for those customers who want to continue using their favourite combination of PS/2 mouse and keyboard on USB-only computers, the Catweasel MK4 has two connectors of this kind.

Improvements on the joystick ports

Amiga mice supported in hardware
Amiga mice only have minimal electronics that always pass the movements of the device to the computer in realtime. Classic Amiga computers have hardware-support for interpretation of these signals in the chipset, and this support has now been added to the Catweasel. Theoretically, using Amiga mice was already possible with the Catweasel MK3, but this required a software effort that was not justifiable. With the new hardware, the software effort is reduced to a minimum.

every signal can be programmed as output
The digital joystick ports of the 8-bit computers of the 80s were mostly usable in two directions, they were not only inputs, but also programmable as data outputs. We're following this tradition, and also present this possibility for the Catweasel MK4.

compatible with CD32 pads
The game controllers of the Amiga CD32 can now also be used on the Catweasel. A special capability of the classic Amigas (and therefore also of the CD32) made these pads exclusive for this computer, if connected to other computers, not all buttons of the pad could be used. Technically speaking: Even the potentiometer-pins of the digital joystick ports can be programmed as outputs on the Catweasel MK4.

Improvements on the SID audio part

DC-DC converter eliminates noise
On the Catweasel MK3, it was possible that noises from 3D-graphics cards or high-speed harddrives were coupled into the 12V-power supply of the SID audio part. This cannot happen any more on the Catweasel MK4, because a DC-DC converter is an insuperable obstacle for such noises.

cycle-exact control
In addition to the known programming that's compatible with the Catweasel MK3, the MK4 has a sophisticated script-language for SID control. This lets the programmer define the exact time for data that's being written into the SID chips. To make sample playback sound exactly like on a real C64, the data rate to the SID chip must be kept at a constant rate. This is accomplished with Fifo memory that's big enough to maintain the datarate even under high processor load conditions.

Digiboost for new SID versions
As opposed to the 'classic SID' 6581, the newer SID-chips 8580 and 6582 cannot playback samples any more. This option, which is also called 'the fourth voice', is replaced by two sigma-delta converters on the Catweasel MK4, so the fourth channel is also audible with the newer SID versions. Since the filter properties and the sound of mixed waveforms of all SID versions have their supporters, this should make the decision for the right chip a little easier.

Filter capacitors selectable
Commodore has defined three different capacitor values for the filters of the SIDs during the years that this chip has been produced. The result was that the same chip sounded differently if used in different computers. To bring the sound as close as possible to what you are used to, the filter capacitors can be chosen with a few jumpers.

precise clocking
The Catweasel MK3 used the commodore-chip 8701 to recreate the exact same clock. Since our stock of this chip is empty with the Catweasel MK3 being sold out, we have cloned it on the main logic chip of the Catweasel MK4: The exact base frequency is generated with crystals that have been made especially for us. By division and multiplication according to the specifications of the C64 schematics from 1982, we managed to replace the 8701, which is not made any more. Even the slight difference between PAL and NTSC computers is software-selectable!

two SIDs for stereo sound
You'll have twice the SID pleaseure after installing a second SID chip. Every SID has it's own selection of filter capacitors, and SIDs of all versions can be mixed.

Technology improvements

compatible with 3.3V and 5V PCI slots
Even though PC boards with 3.3V PCI slots are not yet widely available, the Catweasel is prepared for it. The roadmap of the PCI special interst group plans to abandon 5V PCI slots within forseeable time, and the Catweasel is perfectly suited for that date. Local generation of the 3.3V power also ensures proper function on early PCI motherboards that do not comply with the ATX standard.

two DMA interfaces
In addition to processor-based data transfer, the Catweasel MK4 can excahnge data with the main system through two low-speed DMA channels: The first goes throught he PCI slot, and it has a capacity of about 8K per second and direction. The second uses the direct connection to the onboard-floppy controller, and the speed is up to 100K per second.

low power consumption
The Catweasel MK4 makes use of the latest FPGA technology with 2.5V core voltage. This reduces the power consumption of the new controller to a fraction of what the Catweasel MK3 used. This also reduces heat generation a lot.

re-configurable logic
The FPGA on the Catweasel MK4 is completely re-configurable by the drivers. This means that a hardware update can be done through the internet! Should we find a disk format that cannot be handled with the current hardware, the core of the Catweasel can be 're-wired' to address the problem. The controller doesn't even have to be taken out of the computer for ths update!

drivers for many operating systems
The Catweasel MK4 is delivered with drivers for Windows 98(se)/ME/XP/2000, Amiga OS4, and for Mac OS X at a later date. MorphOS drivers are available for a surcharge.

The Catweasel MK4 will be available starting october 2004.
The target retail price is 99,- EUR.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 301 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 285 (Adam Waldenberg):
I didn't bring BBRV into this, someone else did, i merely followed their posts
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 302 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 290 (Adam Waldenberg):
...
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 303 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 20-Jul-2004 11:25 GMT
Wheee! Can we make it to 400 posts? ;-)
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 304 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 303 (Peter Gordon):
Sure, someone page EVA :P
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 305 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by drHirudo on 20-Jul-2004 11:38 GMT
Nice to see some new Amiga hardware developments. I care if it works on my Amiga. If it doesn't work on XYZ, so what? I couldn't care less.

P.S.
I am satisfied with all the hardware I bought from Individual computers. I can't see any normal reason for pushing his business so hard here. Probably someone have reasons to kill the last Amiga enthusiasm left, but why?
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 306 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 20-Jul-2004 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 304 (Amon_Re):
>Sure, someone page EVA :P

Why bother. I think we've just proven that Adam Waldenberg is really EVA!!!

Oh, hang on... Adam can spell...

So much for that theory :-(
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 307 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 20-Jul-2004 11:41 GMT
Jens why not port your new game "Concerntration Camp" to the Amiga?
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 308 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n on 20-Jul-2004 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 300 (priest):
Polyhead?

Look, lets get something straight, Polyhead is or was the boyfriend on one NEKO/Prime so if you can't figure out the bullshit pouring forth from those quarters, then no one can help you.

Polyhead is going to only offer Null in terms of content when he writes, so you may as well discount that BEFORE you even set eyes on it.

In terms of Jens, I think its clear now for a number of years exactly what Jens and his excellent Catweasel devices offer. On this occasion, folks with a Pegasos will by these accounts have to pay something towards the cost of the driver... and so what?
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 309 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 20-Jul-2004 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 308 (AdmV0rl0n):
The guy is a SS supporter, he worships Hitler and is a danger to Jewish people.

German bastards, cant we just nuke them all.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 310 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 20-Jul-2004 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 309 (Tony):
Yes i mean you Jens, you stinking Jew killing German SS piece of shit. i should put you in a gas chamber you greasy German fuck and let you feel the pain like the Jews did.

Germany should be wiped of the map.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 311 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 309 (Tony):
ann.lu needs thread locking
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 312 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 20-Jul-2004 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 310 (Tony):
Very mature there. How old are you, 14? If you have nothing constructive to add, don't post here at ann. You're violating the rules.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 313 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n on 20-Jul-2004 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 309 (Tony):
You posted here as well:

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/104720

Re: What is Jens schonfeld's problem?
Tony Blackburn. Radio@jungle.com.
82.157.238.204
Jens is out to fuck over Genesi and Buck is not letting it happen. Genesi is by no means innocent but Jens has been blindly attacking Genesi for a while now, the worst part about it he seems to take it out on the users for no reason but for his own ego.

The peg/mos community does not need that sort of cancer in the community.

---

I think that speaks volumes for the garbage and distastful comments, and IF you are a Genesi supporter, I am sure you are so stupid as to not actually be aware that many who work for or with Genesi are in fact German. I am sure they would find your comments worthy of scorn. You're a prime time idiot, nominally above the normal levels of idiots sent out to plague anyone who says anything in the slightest about Genesi, but in this instance, they can't have sent you, you've come out of the woodwork on your own.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 314 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 310 (Tony):
Hey, idiot, you do know that if i report this to your ISP (wanadoo.nl) that they'll close you down right?

Ohm tought you could hide behind an ip address? If wannadoo looks at this: c529deecc.cable.wanadoo.nl they'll perfectly know it was you.

To put it in your native tongue: Loop naar de hel idioot, en neuk nog wat schapen.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 315 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2004 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 310 (Tony):
Well you are a fucking asshole, really!
I don´t like the atidude of Jens, sure, but bringing up this nazi shit is simply stupid , you clearly have no brain. I am German, and I am totally happy
beeing one!
Go and get a life!
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 316 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by breed on 20-Jul-2004 12:09 GMT
@Adam W. :

Stop complaining, sell your card, a lot of people will be interested by it... Dont forget that Amiga "market" is so small and it doesn't such complaint! Every amigafans had this kind of problems, drivers for hardwares bugged and so on... Before buying anything you must be SURE that:

1- Drivers exists
2- Drivers works correctly

Bye.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 317 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 20-Jul-2004 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (itix):
> I can only wonder. I used my A1200 5 years (from 1998 to 2003) without any floppy drive.
> I know I might need my IBrowse 1.0 install disk in some day again, but OTOH I doubt I
> could find patches to upgrade installation into version 1.22 anyway... so... maybe it
> is just me who can't see the point.
Hmmm! It is a all-to-common failing to judge the lives of other solely from one's own viewpoint!
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 318 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 20-Jul-2004 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 316 (breed):
Because of that it doesn't make it right :) ... But I see your point.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 319 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 20-Jul-2004 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 318 (Adam Waldenberg):
Apparently they go for up to $150 on eBay!!! ;-)
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 320 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 20-Jul-2004 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 319 (Darrin):
Apparently
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 321 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by breed on 20-Jul-2004 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 318 (Adam Waldenberg):
Of course, that's not what i say ;-) I just want to close this discussion who never be ending until you sell your card ;-)
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 322 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 20-Jul-2004 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 321 (breed):
I think you might have a point.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 323 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by breed on 20-Jul-2004 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 322 (Adam Waldenberg):
@Adam W.

Be carefull, at ten points, i will get an image ;)))
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 324 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 20-Jul-2004 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Stefan Burström):
Stefan Burström wrote:
> Well, I was refering to Pegasos 1 since that is the only board I have
> made any homework on, so don't put any words in my mouth I didn't speak.

Ok, sorry about that, but then I don't understand you here. If you don't
know anything about the Pegasos 2, which is the only Pegasos product
available, then why did you bring this up at all?

However, I do know that the Pegasos 2 is quite similar to the Pegasos 1
(with the exception of the expensive April add-on, of course), so let's
continue the discussion anyway.

> [...] you are so stuck up defeinding Genesi that you havn't had time to
> actially do some research before you voice your opinion.

What does Genesi have to do with this? How did I defend Genesi here? Now
please *you* don't put words in *my* mouth.

> But really, we are splitting hair here. Even if the boards did break even
> as such they are still subsidised since someone else is paying all Genesis
> other costs.

Ah, how convenient - so even if you're wrong, you're right. But I still
don't understand what Genesi has to do with this. They don't design or
manufacture the Pegasos. As a consumer, you can buy your board from a
reseller who get their boards directly from bPlan. Now if we were
discussing the production costs of say, a Nokia telephone, would you bring
up the costs involved for running, say, RadioShack?

> Johan Rönnblom wrote
>> Let's compare it to the A1 for example, which is a very similar product
>> technically and with regards to volumes.

> Well, as I said before, I don't care about the A1. Why do you insist on
> doing this?

How about reading before you reply? Because it is a very similar product
technically and with regards to volumes. Unless you want to make the claim
that the AmigaOne too is subsidised, any reasoning explaining why the
Pegasos can be much cheaper than the A1 will seriously undermine your
claim.

> Right but it is still a ~100 sq inch PCB.

Well, 63.

> 6 or 8 layers I'd guess.

Six, I think it has been stated, at least not more.

> Microvias between layer 1-2 and 7-8 to be able to route the BGA's.

There's no layer 7-8..

> A small scale production run of such a PCB easily reaches 100 USD per
> board.

Less than that I'd say, seeing how you overestimated even the simplest
factors by a wide margin.

> And that is before the startup costs for the PCB fab is
> distributed on the boards.

Yes, and here you really seem to be missing something. The equipment used
for this production was bought in 1997 or 1998 (my guess) for production of
phase5:s CyberStormPPC and subsequent products. Yes, it was quite expensive
at the time, but that's some years ago now. I would expect that the
equipment has already been amortised.

Now of course people can complain that they don't have access to equipment
under such favourable terms. But that's just life. DCE wins, bPlan wins,
everybody wins from this arrangement. There's nothing unsustainable or
fishy about it. It just happens to be efficient.

And before someone starts yelling about the so-called "convenient"
bankruptcy of phase5 all those years ago, we all know this bankruptcy
happened because phase5 failed with their plans for new products. The
liquidator decided to sell the stuff to DCE. Admittedly the market for such
high-tech stuff is probably not that big (and cost of transportation is
likely to reduce it even further), but again that's life. But in the end,
the people who made the biggest loss in that mess are certain to be the
owners of Phase5 who lost not only this expensive equipment but all of
phase5. Somehow I'd think it would have been more "convenient" to just keep
the stuff.

> Well, this isn't part of the BOM either but since you brought it up. PADS
> power logic will cost you around 5kUSD and PowerPCB incl BlazeRouter at
> least another 20kUSD. Quite 'moderate' cost, isn't it???

Yeah, in 1998. Well, maybe they upgraded - but maybe not, the CyberStormPPC
is technically more advanced (and thus more expensive to make) than the
Pegasos. So they may well use exactly the same equipment they got back
then.

> Right. Did some reasearch here too. GGSData sold Pegasos boards for around
> 5760 SEK inc VAT. That's 4320 SEK wo VAT. Remove a moderate 30% dealer margin
> covering shipping etc. brings it down to around 3000 SEK or 330 USD (at that
> time)

Sounds reasonable.

> Now, try to calculate the BOM given those figures. Do you still wonder why I
> think that the boards were sold at loss?

Yes, indeed I do.

> Calling me a BAF? Just wondering because doing my homework wouldn't be
> that easy beeing blind...

As seen above, you didn't do it all that well. Certainly not well enough to
merit stating your rather bad guesswork as if it was facts.

I really think you come off sounding like those American car makers who
were complaining that the Japanese couldn't possibly make their cars that
cheap, that they must be government funded or something, some big fishy
plot to destroy the American auto industry. Well, it turned out the
Japanese were simply better at it. Just because *you* can't do something
doesn't mean no one else can.

>> But I wouldn't run around telling people that production and sales of the
>> A1 is not commercially viable, as I really don't have any knowledge about
>> the matter.

> Yes, but at the same time you still claim to have the knowledge to claim
> the Pegasos is?

When did I make such a claim? I'm saying that it seems very likely to me
that the Pegasos 2 boards are profitable, even though the current volume is
not enough to fund R&D. I'm saying that your unconditioned statement of the
reverse doesn't seem to be more than heavily biased guesswork.


>> Fortunately for him, Genesi agreed to pay a considerable part of the
>> costs. The disagreement is, as far as I've understood it, over the cost of
>> an additional

> Oh yeah? Jens should be 'fortunate' that Genesi only screwed him over for
> some of the money they owe him?

Of course Genesi should fulfil their obligations. But compared to an
alternative scenario where there was no Genesi involved in the fair at all,
I think any reasonable observer would conclude that Jens was better off the
way it happened. Note that I'm not saying he should be happy with Genesi or
willing to work with them again, I'm just looking at it euro for euro here.

> Well, you are not really inclined to buy any story that puts Genesi in a
> bad light but that has been rather obvious for quite some time...

That's a pretty hilarious statement considering how I'm the *author* of
several stories that put Genesi in a bad light.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 325 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 20-Jul-2004 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 308 (AdmV0rl0n):
" In terms of Jens, I think its clear now for a number of years exactly what Jens and his excellent Catweasel devices offer. On this occasion, folks with a Pegasos will by these accounts have to pay something towards the cost of the driver... and so what?"
I note that the new Catweasel MK4 won't have any OpenPCI based drivers, so it won't work with Amithlon either. I don't see a pile of manure being thrown at Jens from that direction, and he doesn't even suggest there will be support even if it was paid for.

It says something about the two communities, I think.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 326 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 20-Jul-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 325 (Bill Hoggett):
"I note that the new Catweasel MK4 won't have any OpenPCI based drivers, so it won't work with Amithlon either. I don't see a pile of manure being thrown at Jens from that direction, and he doesn't even suggest there will be support even if it was paid for."

Because the issue at hand isn't if there's drivers or not, it's his treatment of Pegasos/MorphOS customers (throwing derogatory remarks at shows, and insulting them in forums and in private), even though his issues are with Genesi/BBRV...

"It says something about the two communities, I think."

How's that?


- CISC
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 327 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 20-Jul-2004 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (priest):
priest wrote:
> Just MHO: If it does not cover R&D costs (ever), I think it is sold
> for a loss...

Eh, well of course the plan is to sell more boards, maybe through
Freescale, who knows if it will fly or not. But until they reach this
stage, it's an interesting question whether they should sell boards to
get at least some income, or if they would lose even more money by
producing and selling boards. Stefan Burström is claiming the latter,
but I think this seems very unlikely.

> How about the MOS R&D costs? Pegasos should cover that as well as
> it's the only product sold with MOS...?

Why? Does the AmigaOne price cover the costs of OS4 development? Of
course it doesn't.

> They can use the production equipments for free????

Where did you get that idea? But of course it's a lot cheaper than
having to get someone externally to set up the machines etc. Those
machines aren't likely to cost DCE much more if they are used than if
they are not, so I'm sure they want to keep them running as much as
possible.

>> bPlan ship directly to dealers.

> Like A1 from Eyetech onwards.

Yes, but that's already an additional middleman, namely Eyetech.

>> When you compare this to A1 which involves not only MAI

> Similar to Marvell.

No. For the Pegasos, bPlan only buy a chip. I don't want to get messed
up in any more proper-name-of-Teron-vs-AmigaOne discussions, but the
difference between the boards advertised on MAIs homepage and the
AmigaOne is at most minimal. Trust me, Alan Redhouse did *not* design
the AmigaOne.

>> But also a third party which designed the board,

> Similar to Garda.

Carda. But it's not similar. In the AmigaOne case it's an external
party, "another mouth to feed". Not so with the Pegasos.

> Sure there are more people involved in the A1 business. And every
> layer adds some handling cost. But also there is part of the SW AND
> HW R&D being paid of every board sold.

Sorry, but the AmigaOne sales don't fund R&D either. That's no secret,
both Alan Redhouse and Ben Hermans have repeatedly stated that
AmigaOne sales to Amiga users can not sustain R&D alone. Which is
fairly obvious.

> The production @ Taiwan should be far cheaper if the German
> manufacturers are living to german standards, not Taiwanese.

I think you've missed some basics here about how salaries work, sorry.
:-)

When did you last see someone in the street holding a sign "Willing to
do advanced PCB design for food and shelter?"

Salaries are not determined by the cost of living, but rather by the
availability of people able to do the work, vs the demand for such
people. What this means is that for advanced tasks, a Taiwanese is not
likely to ask that much less in salary than a German. If that was the
case, those few Taiwanese would move to Germany, as we're talking
about a fairly small number of individuals. For large scale production
however, you also need a lot of people to do less qualified work, such
as monitoring production, testing, packaging and an organisation
around all these people. That makes production of large quantities
cheaper in low income countries. But for small production runs of
advanced electronics, I don't think the difference is big.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 328 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 326 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
I dunno, some individuals also didn't treat him nicely neighter, this thread clearly demonstrates that aswell.

I've met Jens before, i didn't hear any negative comments about MOS users, but then again, i didn't bother asking what he felt about that part of the community.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 329 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Jens Schönfeld on 20-Jul-2004 14:02 GMT
I do not like Jewish people and i did find what we (the german people) did to the Jewish people in the war was very entertaining, if you do not like my views then just do not read them.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 330 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 329 (Jens Schönfeld):
This is the correct IP for Jens: 217.95.128.113
Yours is 207.68.98.5 (207.68.98.5) 225 US United States

...
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 331 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by A black man on 20-Jul-2004 14:19 GMT
Jens i am a nigger and find your comments offensive, you racist fucker.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 332 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Jens Schönfeld on 20-Jul-2004 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 330 (Amon_Re):
Thanks for pointing that out. My IP will change every 24 hours.

If you really want to go political here: I hardly can believe that someone who still follows some Nazi "ideology" has an IQ above room temperature. I can't believe the same for those who claim that I'd be a Nazi. Read a comment on my private homepage about right-wing spam mails that have been sent with spoofed addresses from my domain:

http://schoenfeld.de/aktuell.htm

Jens Schönfeld
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 333 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 20-Jul-2004 14:23 GMT
I hope Christian comes here soon and does some post deleting. It seems we have an infestation of 10 year olds...
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 334 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Jul-2004 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (T_Bone):
> I'm a bit late to the game, but you're right about race.

Oh, thank you :-) Now let's wait for Bill Hogget to tell you that you're not a native English speaker and as such you shouldn't be allowed to say a word about the term "race" :-)

> Anyway, I categorize people according to the Clinal model, according to B blood
> allele. :-)

Nothing bad in chathegorizing people for scientific purposes, however, as the text you quoted points out, the currently used "race" system is the most inadequate possible way, for the reasons that I've reported many times already here.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 335 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Jul-2004 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Olegil):
> Fabio: I'm annoying, therefore I am.

It's funny to note how someone that is proven right by objective reasoning cabne be annoying just because the person it happens to talk to is not able to grasp so simple concepts.

As long as there are people who do understand the points I make, I'm sure the fault is not mine. Your loss.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 336 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Jul-2004 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Ketzer):
> Many things "can" be done. In English that isnt the meaning of race,

Wrong, as I've show here already.

Are you a native English speaker too, for instance?
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 337 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Gary on 20-Jul-2004 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 332 (Jens Schönfeld):
Are you male or female? A/S/L please.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 338 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Jul-2004 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (Adam Waldenberg):
> READ THE REST OF MY POSTS, You twat. I'm really sick of people like you that
> just throw in idiotic comments without even reading through a thread.

Regardless of your other points, I would like to sympathize with the above. I know how does it feel :-)
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 339 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Jul-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 251 (Amon_Re):
> I think you're mistaking people here, charging extra money for drivers isn't
> stealing,

It's not thechnically nor legallt "stealing", of course, but try to open your mind a little, and understand the concept behind the use of that word in this context. Damn, this is the same issue there was with "racist".

> and not offering support on a no longer supported platform isn't stealing
> neighter.

Was the support offered for unlimited time?
Was the support offered for the Pegasos I, or for MorphOS?

Answers to those question will make the difference.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 340 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 20-Jul-2004 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 339 (Fabio Alemagna):
MorphOS .. AFAIK
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 341 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 20-Jul-2004 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 340 (Adam Waldenberg):
Was that "MorphOS", "MorphOS 0.x" or "MorphOS 1.x"? That's important too.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 342 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Jul-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 294 (Graham_NLI):
> The drivers were for the Pegasos hardware that Jens had at the time. A Pegasos
> with presumably an older version of MorphOS.

It should have been specified which HW and which MOS version exactly, then. Was that done? If not, Jens is at fault.

Moreover, was the support offered for unlimited time? If so, regardless of whether Jens was in possession or supported the Peg2 and the newer MOS, unlimited support means unlimited support. Not specifying a limit, means unlimited support.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 343 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 20-Jul-2004 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 342 (Fabio Alemagna):
I guess a limit never was specified... But you dont expect him to drop support only a short time after you bought the card.. Anyway... Just this is not the single issue it's about.. It's also really about how bad Jens handled the whole matter regarding MorphOS. But it's really up to him... If he refunds my card I will apolologize as then I have nothing against him. As I said before; The driver didn't even work correctly in 1.3 on Pegasos1.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 344 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Jul-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 282 (Paul Gadd):
"My comment is about Bill Buck screwing a person who deserved it (Jens)"

Do you support burglary of people who "deserve it" ?
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 345 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 20-Jul-2004 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 342 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio wrote:
> Not specifying a limit, means unlimited support.

Wrong. Not specifying a limit means "reasonable" support. I think what
Adam is arguing here is that there was no reasonable support and that
it didn't work as specified even with the version of the Pegasos and
MorphOS which was available when it was advertised and sold. I don't
know if he's right or not.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 346 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_NLI on 20-Jul-2004 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 342 (Fabio Alemagna):
I agree that stopping support was a bit off, he should have at least have got the drivers working correctly on top of the OpenPCI layer in MorphOS, or let someone else finish them off. Still, it does look like something happened with OpenPCI on MorphOS to stop it even vaguely working after a while.

Of course, if it was Pegasos that was supported, he could create some Linux drivers and then Pegasosen would be supported!
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 347 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 20-Jul-2004 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 341 (Darrin):
Gimme break. MorphOS drivers were in works, they were cancelled, Adam expected he gets a hardware with working drivers (68k or PPC). 68k drivers were not working particularly well on MorphOS 1.3 and in MorphOS 1.4 they were not working at all. Now there is nothing to remedy this situation because Schönfeld sold his Peg long ago. I'm not happy how he dealt this with MorphOS users and apparently he is not very warm towards MorphOS users. I don't know why, I don't care why (anymore), Catweasel is not the only SID card available and MorphOS users can buy something else.
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 348 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 20-Jul-2004 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 344 (Don Cox):
Don Cox wrote:
> Paul Gadd wrote:
>> My comment is about Bill Buck screwing a person who deserved it
>> (Jens)"

> Do you support burglary of people who "deserve it"?

Indeed. I have a mail here from Jens where he quite plainly states the
same attitude towards Genesi, though (actually a bit worse than the
quote above).

But as Jens only talked about the *existance* of supposedly damning
mails from BBRV, without actually publishing such emails, I'll stay on
that level as well. ;-)
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 349 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 337 (Gary):
Christian, could you ban the following IP range?

202.0.0.0 - 203.255.255.255 (see DNS records, if wanted i'll mail you the details)
Announcement: Technical data of the new Catweasel MK4 : Comment 350 of 469ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Jul-2004 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 339 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, no matter how you twist the the term stealing in Adam's post, i can't find any justification for it.

As for the questions you posed, no developer offers unlimited support, and the statement was, according to Adam, that there was support for MOS.

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