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Posted on 22-Jul-2004 06:06 GMT by Emil 'opi' Oppeln Bronikowski35 comments
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Freescale -- possible (or are they partner allready?) Genesi partner has raported a steady grown in a second quater.
Freescale : Comment 1 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 04:37 GMT
Why restrict the targeted reader segment by refering to this news as Genesi related when it's actually interesting news for anyone interested in the PPC market? Freescale is Motorola's chip division and Genesi isn't more of a "potential partner" than anyone else.
Freescale : Comment 2 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 22-Jul-2004 05:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, are you provoking harsh replies on purpose? ;-)

-- gary_c
Freescale : Comment 3 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (gary_c):
No. It was a sincere request for "neutral" journalism for an issue that should be as much related for anyone interested in the PPC industry rather than just Genesi.
Freescale : Comment 4 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Jul-2004 05:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Sammy Nordström):
Frankly i don't see your objection here Sam, yes, Genesi's name was mentioned in the news item, but that doesn't limit the news to just Genesi.
Freescale : Comment 5 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 05:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amon_Re):
>yes, Genesi's name was mentioned in the news item, but that doesn't limit the
>news to just Genesi.

No, but it portrays the issue as more relevant for Genesi than anyone else which makes the article somewhat angled, IMO.
Freescale : Comment 6 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Jul-2004 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Sammy Nordström):
I think you're stretching it, but we're talking about perseption, wich will differ from person to person, so i see no point in further discussing this.
Freescale : Comment 7 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 22-Jul-2004 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Sammy Nordström):
If you skip this article only becouse it includes word "Genesi", it's your own fault.
Freescale : Comment 8 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 05:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amon_Re):
>I think you're stretching it,

Actually, I never meant for it to be a big thing. I just wanted to know why the author portrayed the issue as more relevant to Genesi than anyone else, that's all.
Freescale : Comment 9 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Jul-2004 05:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Sammy Nordström):
Like i said, that is your perseption of the news item, mine differs.
Freescale : Comment 10 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 05:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Jupp3):
I don't comment on articles that I "skip".
Freescale : Comment 11 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 22-Jul-2004 05:53 GMT
Genesi - poo, bad, bad bad. Honestly, you're at times worse than Eva, Samface.
Freescale : Comment 12 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 06:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Emeric SH):
It wouldn't have been any different if the article would have said Eyetech instead of Genesi. Both are just as much "potential partners" of Freescale which is exactly the point I'm trying to make; why make it a one sided story to begin with?
Freescale : Comment 13 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Jul-2004 06:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Sammy Nordström):
"It wouldn't have been any different if the article would have said Eyetech instead of Genesi. Both are just as much "potential partners" of Freescale which is exactly the point I'm trying to make; why make it a one sided story to begin with?"

I thought Freescale were actual current customers of Genesi? Or am I misinformed? Isn't Genesi's main business at the moment making Pegasos boards and selling them to Freescale?

I don't see much relevance to Eyetech here.
Freescale : Comment 14 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Don Cox):
>I thought Freescale were actual current customers of Genesi? Or am I
>misinformed? Isn't Genesi's main business at the moment making Pegasos boards
>and selling them to Freescale?

This seems unclear to the author of this article as well. However, the author was refering to Genesi's "potential" for becoming a partner of Freescale and that's what I commented on.

>I don't see much relevance to Eyetech here.

Why wouldn't they have any potential for becoming a Freescale partner?
Freescale : Comment 15 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Jul-2004 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sammy Nordström):
">I don't see much relevance to Eyetech here.

Why wouldn't they have any potential for becoming a Freescale partner?"

What's a "partner" anyway? Amiga Inc were always waffling on about "partnerships". It seems to mean no more than that you exchange phone numbers.

Having a company as a regular customer is real, especially if it is a company that actually pays its bills.
Freescale : Comment 16 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jul-2004 08:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sammy Nordström):
Genesi is Gold member. No just a contact ;)
Freescale : Comment 17 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Don Cox):
>Amiga Inc were always waffling on about "partnerships".

I don't see much relevance to Amiga Inc. here.
Freescale : Comment 18 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jul-2004 08:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Don Cox):
BTW...

>Having a company as a regular customer is real, especially if it is a company
>that actually pays its bills.

I'm sorry but it would be so much easier to hear what you're trying to say if you don't have your foot in your mouth. ;-)
Freescale : Comment 19 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Monoxyde on 22-Jul-2004 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
"Genesi is Gold member."

Ah, that explains a lot. However, Austin Powers will, as always, conquer the villains in the end.
Freescale : Comment 20 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 22-Jul-2004 15:02 GMT
Sammy:
Freescale are an actual partner with Genesi. Freescale are a potential
partner with Eyetech, or me. Real stuff has more relevance than
fantasies, at least for most people. Sorry if you see things
differently.
Freescale : Comment 21 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 22-Jul-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Monoxyde):
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD!!!!! I like GOOOOOOOOLD!!!!!
Freescale : Comment 22 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 23-Jul-2004 03:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Johan Rönnblom):
>Freescale are an actual partner with Genesi.

Do you have anything to back that up? All I know is that Genesi is a Motorola Design Alliance Partner and is listed in the Design Alliance Member Directory, which is hardly the same thing as a partner of Freescale.
Freescale : Comment 23 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 23-Jul-2004 04:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Sammy Nordström):
As Amiga, Inc. demonstrated, "partner" can mean just about anything. Maybe it's better to look at the specifics. Genesi is listed on the Motorola site, as well as IBM's, as a resource. Genesi was a gold sponsor at Freescale's Smart Networks Developer Forum and will be at SNDF Europe and SNDF Asia later in the year. Freescale has placed three successive orders for Pegasos computers, including Genesi's largest single sale. There appears to be ongoing communication between the two companies for mutual benefit. Call it a partnership if you like, or don't; it doesn't really matter, does it?

-- gary_c
Freescale : Comment 24 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Jul-2004 05:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (gary_c):
Do you have any more info on SNDF Europe? Where is it going to be held?
Freescale : Comment 25 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 23-Jul-2004 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Amon_Re):
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=02VS0llCc5pzMP2861
Freescale : Comment 26 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 23-Jul-2004 07:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (gary_c):
>As Amiga, Inc. demonstrated, "partner" can mean just about anything.

Again, I don't see the relevance to Amiga Inc. here.

>Maybe it's better to look at the specifics. Genesi is listed on the Motorola
>site, as well as IBM's, as a resource.

Again, that doesn't make them a partner of Freescale.

>Genesi was a gold sponsor at Freescale's Smart Networks Developer Forum and
>will be at SNDF Europe and SNDF Asia later in the year. Freescale has placed
>three successive orders for Pegasos computers, including Genesi's largest
>single sale. There appears to be ongoing communication between the two
>companies for mutual benefit.

Is there anyway to confirm any of the above at all? Because if this is just something you've heard from BBRV, it's very unlikely to be true.

>Call it a partnership if you like, or don't; it doesn't really matter, does
>it?

This isn't about semantics, this is about honesty. What exactly does Freescale's quarterly report go to do with Genesi?
Freescale : Comment 27 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 23-Jul-2004 08:41 GMT
Well, Sammys usual inability to communicate his thoughts aside, I think it would be a lot more logical if the news item had read "Freescale (previously known as Motorolas Semiconductor division) has reportet a steady growth etc etc." and then you could have added whatever speculation about partnerships and/or implications in the next sentence. I see the connection, but I would say it's a bit misleading to people who don't know everything about the Motorola/Freescale thing. As it stands, it looks like Freescale is some small thing only recognised in the business for its dealing with Genesi. And that isn't QUITE true, is it? :-)

Seriously, I don't immediately think "Genesi partner" when I see the name "Freescale". Instead, I immediately think "Motorola Semiconductors". And I think the majority of people in the world would do the same ;-)
Freescale : Comment 28 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 23-Jul-2004 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Olegil):
Seriously, I don't immediately think "Genesi partner" when I see the name "Freescale". Instead, I immediately think "Motorola Semiconductors". And I think the majority of people in the world would do the same ;-)

The first thing that comes to mind is gaming. I swear I've seen a game with a similar name. I just can't seem to recall the name right now.
Freescale : Comment 29 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 23-Jul-2004 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Olegil):
>Well, Sammys usual inability to communicate his thoughts aside

???
Freescale : Comment 30 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2004 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Descent Freespace? :)
Freescale : Comment 31 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jul-2004 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Sammy Nordström):
"Again, I don't see the relevance to Amiga Inc. here."

They demonstrated that the word "partner" means nothing, except perhaps an exchange of email addresses.
Freescale : Comment 32 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 23-Jul-2004 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Sammy Nordström):
>As Amiga, Inc. demonstrated, "partner" can mean just about anything.

Again, I don't see the relevance to Amiga Inc. here.

As Don said, Amiga, Inc. is infamous for showing how meaningless the word "partner" can be; they just provided an example, nothing more. My point was that the definition of "partner" is very subjective, so there's no use debating whether or not two companies are partners. Instead, look at the details of the relationship.

>Maybe it's better to look at the specifics. Genesi is listed on the Motorola
>site, as well as IBM's, as a resource.

Again, that doesn't make them a partner of Freescale.

Maybe, or maybe not, depending on the definition. I didn't say it made them a partner; I simply listed it as a fact indicating a substantial relationship. It doesn't matter to me what the relationship is called.

>Genesi was a gold sponsor at Freescale's Smart Networks Developer Forum and
>will be at SNDF Europe and SNDF Asia later in the year. Freescale has placed
>three successive orders for Pegasos computers, including Genesi's largest
>single sale. There appears to be ongoing communication between the two
>companies for mutual benefit.

Is there anyway to confirm any of the above at all? Because if this is just something you've heard from BBRV, it's very unlikely to be true.

Well, there were apparently thousands of witnesses at the SNDF, and I've seen photographic evidense as well as first-hand reports....

>Call it a partnership if you like, or don't; it doesn't really matter, does
>it?

This isn't about semantics, this is about honesty. What exactly does Freescale's quarterly report go to do with Genesi?

Actually no one has claimed Freescale's quarterly report has much to do with Genesi; I assume the idea is that Freescale is financially healthy, so they're a better company to be involved with than one that's on the ropes. I don't understand what the question about honesty is. Everything except the figures for the Pegasos sale to Freescale is a matter of public record, and I haven't seen Freescale denying the sale or the relationship deteriorating due to dishonest claims about the sale, so apparently Freescale really has been buying large numbers of Pegasoses.

-- gary_c
Freescale : Comment 33 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Jul-2004 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (gary_c):
Well.. although I'm sure it is their biggest order, to be honest that
doesn't mean much. What would be their biggest order before this? 50
units? Well, probably Freescale ordered more than that, but there's no
way to tell really, just from the available info.
Freescale : Comment 34 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 24-Jul-2004 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (gary_c):
Example or not, Amiga Inc. are not the ones defining the meaning of words. Besides, isn't Genesi supposed to be NOT doing the same things as Amiga Inc. did? Or, are you telling me that Genesi are doing the same things as you keep criticizing Amiga Inc. for?

Anyway, you don't need to respond to that. We've had enough of those threads already and this thread really has nothing to do with Amiga Inc.

Now, as for Genesi's relationship with Freescale. All we know as a matter of fact is Genesi's participation on Freescale's SNDF along with a bunch of other companies. Everything else is something that we, according to you, should believe until it's denied by Freescale. Does even Freescale know that BBRV has made these claims? I'm sorry but those of us who has witnessed BBRV's marketing games before have a pretty good reason to NOT believe in any claim comming from BBRV until it has been proven with actual verified facts.
Freescale : Comment 35 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Jul-2004 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Sammy Nordström):
I'll speak as directly as I can: Shut UP!
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