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[Forum] Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS resellerANN.lu
Posted on 25-Jul-2004 13:04 GMT by Amon_Re28 comments
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In this link that points to morphzone.org you'll see that any news about MOS is only official and/or real if it comes from the official prepresentives. (Ralph Schmidt, Frank Mariak and David Gerber)

However, in this thread BBRV is claiming (together with Neko in the comments) that tey have found a reseller for MOS.

There is also this thread posted in an earlier item by me that further questions that deal.

My question is, does *anyone* have an idea of what is going on?
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 1 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Jul-2004 11:06 GMT
I don't intend this thread to accumulate flamebait, so i've refrained to post any personal "interpration" of these threads & newsitems, but it seems like the left hand has no clue as to what the right hand is doing anymore.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 2 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 25-Jul-2004 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Amon_Re):
Well doh. Isn't that has been the case for the past ten years in Amigaland?
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 3 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Jul-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (hooligan/dcs):
And in most organisations.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 4 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Jul-2004 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (hooligan/dcs):
lol ;) Yea you're right actually
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 5 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by seer on 25-Jul-2004 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amon_Re):
Same old story... Big announcement, but we need to wait for the real deal... Genesi, Amiga.. No differences..
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 6 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 25-Jul-2004 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (seer):
No difference except Genesi delivered software and hardware, and have followed up on every promotion, and aren't totally bankrupt so they have to eat out of dumpsters, etc.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 7 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by seer on 25-Jul-2004 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (XraalE):
Tho I am better informed about Aincs track record, I'm sure both sides have their successes and mishaps with these kind of announcements. Both sides should keep their press releases behind close doors until the "big new partner" gives the green light..

Now if these reseller backs put it will look bad on Genesi, just like Amiga with for instance the nokia deal..

All I'm saying; if you're under NDA why give stupid hints about something that's just around the corner...
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 8 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Seer on 25-Jul-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (seer):
<>Now if these reseller backs put it will look bad on Genesi

Should have been;

Now if this reseller backs out it will look bad on Genesi


Hm.. Must be doing sometihng wrong... My account doesn't seem to work..
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 9 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 25-Jul-2004 12:56 GMT
My question is, does *anyone* have an idea of what is going on?

If anyone is curious or confused, they should just read the threads and come to their own conclusions. Although I don't know the details on the reseller deal, in general things aren't in chaos the way you make it sound. In fact there's no connection between bbrv's statement and the MOS core developer's statement; theirs is about MOS development progress, etc. bbrv's is about sales and marketing. A few individuals seem to have gotten panicky for some reason (too much coffee?), but I don't think there's a valid basis for that reaction.

-- gary_c
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 10 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Jul-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (gary_c):
I didn't make it look like it was in chaos, but from what i read i couldn't make out alot of it, hence why i linked to all 3 items.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 11 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 25-Jul-2004 13:39 GMT
"My question is, does *anyone* have an idea of what is going on?" It looks crystal clear to me.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 12 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 25-Jul-2004 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (itix):
Go on then...take it further :-)

Steve
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 13 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 25-Jul-2004 14:20 GMT
"My question is, does *anyone* have an idea of what is going on?"

Nah, I'm only here for the free tickets. What? There are no free tickets? I'm outta here!

:-)
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 14 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Jul-2004 15:50 GMT
last gasps...
I'm waiting for the death throws.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 15 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 25-Jul-2004 16:09 GMT
I don't see any statement by BBRV or Neko that there has been any
contract to resell MorphOS. They are just saying, as I read it anyway,
that they have found a possible reseller. If the deal is actually
made, I assume we will see a press release from the MorphOS team about
it. So I don't see any difference here, except BBRV talk very much
(perhaps too much) and the MOS team talk very little (perhaps too
little).
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 16 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Jul-2004 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Johan Rönnblom):
and how timely to make such announcement. During Amiwest where Ben Hermans and Garry Hare are speaking. Ah, Anti-News.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 17 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 25-Jul-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
it was announced about a week ago.. there goes your conspiracy theory.. wave it good bye now
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 18 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X2 on 25-Jul-2004 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
> last gasps...
I'm waiting for the death throws.

Core OS4 developers and OS4 beta testers alike should refrain from making these kinds of comments.

Thankyou and have a nice day! :)
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 19 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X2 on 25-Jul-2004 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Olegil):
Would free beer be a suitable replacement? ;)
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 20 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Jul-2004 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Johan Rönnblom):
Quote from BBRV from the second link:

"Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, MorphOS achieved a MAJOR milestone today.
A MAJOR IT COMPANY HAS AGREED TO RESELL MorphOS! "
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 21 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 26-Jul-2004 08:12 GMT
"My question is, does *anyone* have an idea of what is going on?"

Most probably the MorphOS 1.5 only in more than a year, and the public shock this caused made the MorphOS team to make that statement. I think there lies the original problem, not in the reseller issue - and it's crystal clear that they're trying to avoid the Ask Fleecy phaenomenon.
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 22 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 26-Jul-2004 09:11 GMT
It is my belief, but I could be wrong, that the MorphOS team made that statement to make it clear that they, and only they decide what happens in regard to MorphOS.

And I think they have done that for one of two reasons..

a. They did not like or Enjoy BBRV making that 'announcement'/'statement' and you can add any crap Neko added to that.
b. They are working with neko/bbrv and will announce changes later in regard to this reseller/oem deal

I do not know the MorphOS team at all well, but from what I know of the people, I will plump for a. as being the reason. Time will tell.

While Genesi was willing to help back and support MorphOS it was a symbiotic relationship. But if Genesi are now making business decisions in terms of raising capital, and intend to use MorphOS to do so, thats going to create some friction..especially on an x86 emulation route

Just my tuppence
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 23 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 26-Jul-2004 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Amon_Re):
Yes, but anyone who has followed BBRV's posts for a year or two will
realise that such an "agreement" should be read more like "they are
interested" than "we have signed the contract".
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 24 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 26-Jul-2004 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Johan Rönnblom):
> "Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, MorphOS achieved a MAJOR milestone today.
A MAJOR IT COMPANY HAS AGREED TO RESELL MorphOS! "

Major milestone, all capitals ... if that should be understood to mean "they are giving it a thought" ... then ...

> "we have signed a contract"

.. really means "we did but they didnt, and told us to get lost".
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 25 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 26-Jul-2004 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ketzer):
Lol, probably. Better watch the wording of any such release. ;-P
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 26 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 29-Jul-2004 10:23 GMT
One might note the almost complete silence since the MorphOS team made the post simply stating that anything publicised regarding MorphOS comes through them, and not the, erm, dubious sources we know and love.

Not all well in camp Genesi, .... just waiting for the fall out
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 27 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 30-Jul-2004 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (AdmV):
You must have missed this then:
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=545
Controversal: MOS team statement & BBRV's statements about MOS reseller : Comment 28 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 30-Jul-2004 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Johan Rönnblom):
Are you not able to read then?

'PearPC

While we acknowledge that PearPC is a very interesting project, we currently
have to focus on other more important things for our own project, and we do not
have the resources to actively support MorphOS on PearPC.'

So how does this square away with 'We have found a large IT reseller for MOS'.

You tell me, I am very interested in whatever fantasy you wish to now try and create. Any reseller would want active support from that team of people.

AdmV
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