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[Motd] MOTD 26/Jul/2004ANN.lu
Posted on 26-Jul-2004 11:35 GMT by Christian Kemp82 comments
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I'm looking for additional front page and/or comments moderator(s), initially just for the month of August. If you are (mostly) impartial towards the various companies, have a few minutes to spare every day, and are interested in helping out, please send me an email to further discuss this.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 1 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 26-Jul-2004 09:38 GMT
I would offer, but I feel my position as OS4 beta tester and vocal supporter would perhaps be seen a bias, even if I personally have nothing against MOS, AROS or Amithlon ;-)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 2 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 26-Jul-2004 09:42 GMT
Well, I would put myself up, but that might hinder me savaging the likes of Amiga Inc, Genesi, and any other lying ******** 8**** ** ** *** that try it on...
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 3 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 26-Jul-2004 09:51 GMT
I'd be willing, but i suppose that would bring on a war the likes we haven't witnessed before :P

I think Don Cox or Hooligan would be good moderators, if they are willing/have time
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 4 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Jul-2004 09:52 GMT
My vote goes to Eva.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 5 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 26-Jul-2004 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (hooligan/dcs):
haha..

Post was removed by: Eva
Reason: IT WAS LIES FOM TEH BOUMA DOGS AND IT DIDNT SAYY MORPHOS RULEZ!!11
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 6 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Jul-2004 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Gordon):
I think she would spice up the forums for the summer ;-)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 7 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 26-Jul-2004 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Gordon):
I dunno, i suppose if she was in such a position that she would moderate as correctly as she can, i know i would.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 8 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Jul-2004 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amon_Re):
>I think Don Cox or Hooligan would be good moderators, if they are willing/have time

That's a good idea, I'll second that. Of course people are supposed to be volunteering their services, no volunteering others ;-)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 9 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 26-Jul-2004 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Amon_Re):
And that moderation would be correct ;-)
Good luck finding right person.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 10 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 26-Jul-2004 10:52 GMT
mhhh . . are you sure that EVA is a "lady"?
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 11 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 26-Jul-2004 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Peter Gordon):
Peter, my vote goes for you, I don't know why being a betatester can be a reason to refuse your offering. Your posts have always been polited and well reasoned, a thing hard to find nowadays.

Don Cox would be a good moderator too, and itix too, I think.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 12 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Jul-2004 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ferry):
All good candidates, fully agree.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 13 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 26-Jul-2004 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ferry):
Yeah, but the thing is, while I would strive to be impartial, no doubt if I moderated a troll, they'd just come straight back with "BIAS! BIAS!" ;-) Really, I think i'll pass, but I wish luck to whoever takes on the role...
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 14 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 26-Jul-2004 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Framiga):
If she isn't as the name implies, never cared about resolving it
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 15 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jul-2004 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amon_Re):
hooligan has always been nice at #amigaworld so i have no objection,and don cox is good too.can we have both mabe?
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 16 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 26-Jul-2004 12:13 GMT
A few thoughts on moderators :

- As with many positions of power, those who don't want it are the best candidates.

- While it's tempting (and all too common) to think that giving power to a disruptive character (e.g. Eva) may engender a sense of responsibility, it is more likely to be abused, and is disrespectful of those who manage to behave better as a matter of course.

- You have to be hard-nosed, and maybe even a bit of a bastard, to be a good moderator; fear of abuse should not deter one from appropriate moderation, and the occasional abuse of power is good for keeping the plebes guessing...

- (Humorous reference to a certain ex-moderator on a certain site removed in the interests of peace and harmony within the community, as certain participants of common sites have an over-sensitivity to any such exhibitions of humour, the sad gits).

Having said that, I am happy to accept your nominations, and will endevor to do the job to the best of my ability; thank you, and God Bless Me.

Gregg
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 17 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 26-Jul-2004 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ferry):
"Don Cox would be a good moderator too, and itix too, I think." I'm too biased. I'm towards Genesi/MorphOS (Pegasos owner) and my most of my friends are not very kind to "red camp". Vote someone who is not A1 or Peg owner. Don Cox, Bill Hoggett...
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 18 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 26-Jul-2004 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gregg):
Ehh...
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 19 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 26-Jul-2004 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gregg):
" - You have to be hard-nosed, and maybe even a bit of a bastard, to be a good moderator; fear of abuse should not deter one from appropriate moderation, and the occasional abuse of power is good for keeping the plebes guessing... "

If i didn't know better i'd swear you were talking about me :P
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 20 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 26-Jul-2004 13:04 GMT
No votes for me? Aaaaahhwww..... That hurts.

BTW. That was self-irony. Have a laugh on me, ok? :-)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 21 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Jul-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Sammy Nordström):
>Have a laugh on me, ok?

:lolling rofling and dancing like a nut banana:
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 22 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 26-Jul-2004 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Amon_Re):
Nah, you start to burn very fast.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 23 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 26-Jul-2004 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, are you suitable as a moderator?
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 24 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 26-Jul-2004 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (brotheris):
You're probably right
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 25 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 26-Jul-2004 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Peter Gordon):
Agreed, but NOBODY will be free of such accusations, be it red, blue, dark green or pale yellow... :¬) Trolls are trolls, even when they are being moderated. And, of course, if someone feels that has been moderated erroneously, he/she can always complain to CK.

The posts from the person in charge of moderation (the word itself says it all) have had to be self moderated, i.e. polite, reasoned, on topic, based on facts or in documented, reachable info, etc. I would not give moderation to a person who has wrote off-topic, insulting or trolling posts in the past. Of course, even a moderator has his/her own oppinion but the question is to show it as little as possible when moderating.

That's why I thought in those names...

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 26 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Jul-2004 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ferry):
The problem is that as soon as you are involved in the community you are "tainted".
Even if you are not, people will assume that you are based on your moderation decisions.
However I do think that the people who were making accusations and who did not like that all flavor of the colors live together here now belongs to more dedicated sites (even if a lot of them still visit ANN and do post anonymously).
We are definitely short handed. I welcome anyone willing to help with making objective moderation decisions.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 27 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 26-Jul-2004 17:47 GMT
I think if your interested your supposed to send an e-mail not rant on in the comment section.

I WILL TAKE THE JOB

...is what I would be saying, if I weren't busy, and if it weren't for the fact, that I probably would never find cause to moderate anything....(but then again, who knows what crazy rants we never go the chance to read)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 28 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 26-Jul-2004 17:55 GMT
I vote for EVA, Mike Bouma and a third person, not involved
at all (even benner, who hasn't NEVER involved) with Amiga.

The only rule: they have to discuss and AGREE for each
censure.

If not possible, simply get people from outside Amiga
community. Possibly someone who don't care about Amiga.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 29 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Jul-2004 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (MarkTime):
Moderation, right now, is mostly two separate tasks:

- Eliminate people who spam the comments with swearword-ladden posts with no real content to speak of. Moderations like these are usually very easy to do, since it's most often plain to see when someone is just being abusive.

- Promote unmoderated posts to one of the more suitable categories that get displayed on the main page. Sometimes, this also involves removing duplicate submissions, or submissions that are not in the spirit of the site.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 30 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Troels on 26-Jul-2004 23:29 GMT
It will not be easy to find a person that want the job and isn't pro MOS or AOS4.

Having said that I also believe there are both red and blue guys that would take the job serious enough to forget about what "camp" they where in.

Hooligan or Itix seems like good candidates and Peter Gordon does too.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 31 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Jul-2004 23:47 GMT
I am not available, for two reasons.

First reason is that my wife finally was granted the permission for stay in Finland after six months of struggle, and I intend to spend as much time as possible with her in coming weeks.

Second, as Peter told about his "os4 betatester-problem".. I'm moderating MorphZone so I would get the exactly same treatment. We are both "stamped" even before starting.. so I'll say I'll pass aswell.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 32 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 05:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (hooligan/dcs):
Good luck with your lady, just don't reproduce just yet, i'm not sure the world is ready for that :P
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 33 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2004 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Amon_Re):
Oh ! How cruel of you
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 34 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 27-Jul-2004 10:54 GMT
Hey, how about me? 8)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 35 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Nate Downes):
Who are you? :P
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 36 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 27-Jul-2004 11:42 GMT
If I became moderator you guys wouldn't see any threads at all, so lets not, eh?
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 37 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 27-Jul-2004 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Gabriele Favrin):
Dude, that was an excellent idea for a reality show, but probably not useful for a working moderation system.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 38 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 27-Jul-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Darth_X):
As a webmaster myself (mindrelease.net), I do believe that I am capable of performing the task from a practical standpoint. However, I think few would agree that I'm suitable for the task from a political standpoint. :-P
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 39 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 27-Jul-2004 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Sammy Nordström):
Hehe, [moderated by Sammy - A4000 + CPPC + MorphOS is not an Amiga] ;-]
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 40 of 82ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Test comment
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 41 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 28-Jul-2004 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (brotheris):
Sigh... Amiga hardware is Amiga hardware, no matter what OS and software you use it with. Please don't insinuate that I would have claimed differently, not even as a joke.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 42 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 28-Jul-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Sammy Nordström):
It is?

I wouldn't consider it an "Amiga" if my A4000 was running Linux instead of AmigaOS. Then it's a Linux system. Yes, it says Amiga in the front, but you get excactly nothing useful out of that logo.

My AmigaOne wasn't an "Amiga" until a few weeks ago either. Not to me, at least.

Oh well, this is off-topic, it is :-)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 43 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 28-Jul-2004 07:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Olegil):
I know it's off-topic, but I would still like to reply...

I agree with what you just said too, Olegil. However, I also believe that just like the hardware is not defined by the OS it is running, an OS is not defined by the hardware it runs on either. Linux running on an Amiga does not make Linux an Amiga OS and an Amiga running Linux does not make the Amiga a Linux computer. BUT, listen to this great new revolutionary concept; an Amiga computer can be used as a Linux system and Linux can be used as an Amiga OS.

These two different viewpoints are not contradicting each other.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 44 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 28-Jul-2004 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Sammy Nordström):
So what does A4000 + CPPC + MorphOS make ? It is so confusing %-)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 45 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 28-Jul-2004 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (brotheris):
While the Amiga is not a MorphOS computer and MorphOS is not an Amiga OS, it is an Amiga used as a MorphOS system. Once you grasp it, it's quite simple actually.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 46 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 28-Jul-2004 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Sammy Nordström):
Thanks, now I see it clearly: when I run native amiga programs natively then it is Amiga runing AmigaOS, so this labeles it as Amiga system ? =)
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 47 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 28-Jul-2004 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (brotheris):
>Thanks, now I see it clearly: when I run native amiga programs natively then >it is Amiga runing AmigaOS, so this labeles it as Amiga system ? =)

Now I know you're not beeing serious. However, I would still like to know how you got Amiga programs into the equation? I mean, noone mentioned anything about programs nor applications, much less claimed that the applications is what defines the platform. What kind of computer platform/system you have is defined by what kind of OS and hardware combination you have, nothing else.
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 48 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 28-Jul-2004 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Sammy Nordström):
So if I have YAM 68k running on A4000 + CPPC + MorphOS, while only emulating 68k CPU (same as AOS4) then I am runing Amiga system or not ? Amiga system is Amiga + AmigaOS or can it be something else ? Am I runing Amiga system with Amiga4000 + CPPC + MorphOS or not ?
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 49 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Jul-2004 04:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (brotheris):
Running MorphOS, regardless of the underlying hardware, makes your system a MorphOS system, just like running Linux on your Amiga would make your Amiga a Linux system.

I know what you're trying to get at, that I would somehow claim that your Amiga is no longer an Amiga when you run another operating system than AmigaOS. That is of course not true. Your Amiga hardware will always be Amiga hardware. However, when you're talking about a system or a platform, it's NOT defined by the hardware. It's the operating system that makes it a system and therefore the system is defined by the system operating it. Is this really that hard to understand?
MOTD 26/Jul/2004 : Comment 50 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 29-Jul-2004 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Sammy Nordström):
Is this really that hard to understand?

No :-)

So PC runing Amithlon is an Amiga ?
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