| Posted on 27-Jul-2004 06:20 GMT by Anon | 58 comments
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How much money does KMOS have?
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 04:39 GMT | Right.
And appropriate answer: more than Genesi/RV |
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| Posted by gary_c on 27-Jul-2004 04:58 GMT | Enough to buy a little company that has big debts and dubious assets. How much money would that take?
-- gary_c |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 05:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (gary_c):
Wich one is that? Ainc or that Finnish one? |
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| Posted by Ketzer on 27-Jul-2004 05:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (gary_c):
Apparently enough to pay for lawyers, tshirts, programmers/applications, Amiga Inc., (supposedly) Amiga Inc.s debts and Capacity. We'll see soon enough if or if not. |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 05:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (gary_c):
IIRC, debts were vaguely mentioned in some court docs. IIRC, hundreds of thousands of dollars. |
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| Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Jul-2004 06:10 GMT | | 15 groats. |
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| Posted by Hagge on 27-Jul-2004 06:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (Amon_Re):
" Wich one is that? Ainc or that Finnish one?"
rotfl :D:D:D:D |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 06:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (Hagge):
Thank you thank you :D |
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| Posted by Olegil on 27-Jul-2004 07:05 GMT | And while we're at it:
How long is a fish? |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 07:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Olegil):
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2004 07:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Olegil):
Until it is ready? ;-) |
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| Posted by ikir on 27-Jul-2004 07:20 GMT | | How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
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| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 27-Jul-2004 08:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (ikir):
A woodchuck that could chuck wood would chuck as much wood that a woodchuck that could chuck wood would chuck wood. |
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| Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Jul-2004 09:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Sammy Nordström):
Well... How much would Edward Woodwards woodchuck chuck if Edward Woodwards woodchuck could chuck wood? |
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| Posted by Emeric SH on 27-Jul-2004 09:07 GMT | | In their right or left pocket? |
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| Posted by Graham Chapman on 27-Jul-2004 09:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Peter Gordon):
Stop that!!! This is silly.
(and now for something completely different...) |
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| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 27-Jul-2004 09:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Peter Gordon):
Edward Woodward woodchuck would chuck a whole lotta wood if he could chuck wood, but a woodward won't chuck wood! :-P |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2004 09:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (gary_c):
> Enough to buy a little company that has big debts and dubious assets.
> How much money would that take?
And how much remains afterwards? Perhaps enough to set up an office even? |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 10:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Already being paid:
- AInc secured debts
- T-shirts
- some application developers
- 12 own personell, ~12 contractors
Short term plans seem to be:
- Pay some/all of AInc unsecured debts
- Establish/publish office.
- update developer web pages (done by external company, most likely)
- update KMOS web page (office location, some marketing stuff)
- To put AmigaDE games AND applications in distribution (ASAP).
- To release AACE for another new platform during the next or this quarter.
- pay to even more developers
Mid term plan:
- 80% more personell (10 own employees and 10 more contractors)
- honouring coupon commitments fully
- release SDK update(s)
- shout from rooftops (=more marketing) (was it next September or so ...)
- release AmigaDE for pegasos if genesi still wants it
Long term plan:
- release HW with some Sony chip & AOS
- get more money :-) |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 10:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
and acquire more technology and companies. Garry says they are not done yet. ;-) |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 10:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (priest):
+ so Garry needs to hurry, otherwise it's yet another disappointment company. |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Jul-2004 10:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
>- update developer web pages (done by external company, most likely)
I like it how it is now.. simple and fast =) |
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| Posted by Lando on 27-Jul-2004 10:56 GMT | "How much money does KMOS have?"
More than sense, it appears. Why they have deciced to keep employing McEwen and Fleecy and paying their six-figure salaries is beyond comprehension. |
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| Posted by Kronos on 27-Jul-2004 11:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
>Already being paid:
> - AInc secured debts
You mean Garry has paid what was owned to iTec/Netventures ? Mmmm and who owns KMOS ?
> - T-shirts
Any takers for a new avartar-bet ?
> - some application developers
> - 12 own personell, ~12 contractors
Wow, 1 vague speech by a dubious character, and people again start to believe ..... |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2004 11:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
> Already being paid:
And this is confirmed by other people, like users recieving their t-shirts?
Anyway, this sounds good. I wish K-MOS the best of luck. And it will be interesting to see how any future cooperation between Amiga Inc and Genesi will take shape, or perhaps rather if there will be any, besides the ones already settled - that is Genesi leasing trademarks, logos and Amiga DE for itself and any subcontractors. This could be interesting!
:-) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2004 11:19 GMT | Lets see..
Garry Hare does some consulting for AInc.
Investors not happy at all with AInc.
Garry Hare is seen and heard as the new CEO.
Bill Buck mentions he thinks AInc has a new CEO.
AInc does not confirm it.
Buck is considered atleast 20% more evil than before by some people.
Wayne Hunt says he has seen the card.
Wayne is considered atleast 20% more lying than usual by some people.
skip
CourtCase starts.
SUddennly AmigaOS has been sold a year ago form AInc to ITec.
ITec later sells it to KMOS.
Garry Hare explains the buissiness card as just a little fun from his
side, playing around with his new printer, nothhing at all to
do with him expecting to be new CEO. We all laughed.
Accusations of "Shell-game" starts against AInc/KMOS.
Court rules in favor of Genesi, AInc must port DE to pegasos.
KMOS buys AInc.
They want to start working with DE, suddenly it is
an important part of the great plan.
PPC version announced.
AmigaWorld is filled with joy.
What have I missed ? :-) |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 11:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Kronos):
"You mean Garry has paid what was owned..."
No, I just repeated what was said.
" Wow, 1 vague speech by a dubious character, and people again start to believe ..."
Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following.
As I tried to say, Garry made some goals for themself that they need to accomplish.
...so Garry needs to hurry, otherwise it's yet another disappointment company.
Seeing is believing. |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 11:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Anonymous person wants to know how much money they have! |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 11:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
"And this is confirmed by other people, like users recieving their t-shirts?"
Not yet. But if it is a lie, it will backfire fast.
(personally I'm trying to contact them to correct my addresses, just in case )
" This could be interesting!"
It is. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2004 11:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 28 (Amon_Re):
Ask the investors |
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| Posted by Olegil on 27-Jul-2004 11:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (Amon_Re):
Is that an african swallow? |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 11:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
>Garry Hare is seen and heard as the new CEO.
He himself denied it to everybody (unless otherwise witnessed), especially to BBRV.
>Bill Buck mentions he thinks AInc has a new CEO.
He likes to stirr shit with everybody @ Amiga community.
>AInc does not confirm it.
They denied it strongly.
>Wayne Hunt says he has seen the card.
How did that happen? BBRV spread it around stirring shit?
>CourtCase starts.
Thendic (RIP?) started the process long time ago.
>SUddennly AmigaOS has been sold a year ago form AInc to ITec.
LOL!
>Garry Hare explains the buissiness card as just a little fun from his
side, playing around with his new printer, nothhing at all to
do with him expecting to be new CEO.
That is not what he explained.
>Court rules in favor of Genesi, AInc must port DE to pegasos.
IIRC, I think they ruled that the original agreement is still binding.
>They want to start working with DE, suddenly it is an important part of the great plan.
Is it? And what's the conspiracy theory here?
>PPC version announced.
I think it was not announced. But now it is definitely possible.
>AmigaWorld is filled with joy.
That has been a fact since AOS4 pre beta release ... when it was announced that KMOS owns AOS it only became better.
>What have I missed ?
A lot of stuff. Happy browsing @ ANN. |
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| Posted by priest on 27-Jul-2004 12:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (hooligan/dcs):
Surely you meant the:
" - update KMOS web page (office location, some marketing stuff) "
I doubt it will be made a lot more bloat.
Perhaps we will see KMOS logo. Perhaps not. |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 12:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
I don't want to know :P |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 12:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (Olegil):
Hmmm... I don't know..
*AAAAAaaaaaarrrr ggg hhh....<CRASH!>* |
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| Posted by Rafo on 27-Jul-2004 12:58 GMT | | Just as much money as AmigaInc. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2004 13:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (priest):
> (personally I'm trying to contact them to correct my addresses, just in case )
How are you trying to reach them? |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 27-Jul-2004 13:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
- Seances
- Tam Tam
- MorseCode |
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| Posted by MIKE on 27-Jul-2004 14:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
He admitted he did have Amiga Inc. CEO cards printed and did pass them out at the show Bill Buck said he did. |
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| Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jul-2004 14:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (ikir):
How much junk could a junk truck dump, if a junk truck could dump junk? |
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| Posted by Darth_X on 27-Jul-2004 14:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
POOPY DIAPERS! |
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| Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jul-2004 14:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (Lando):
"Why they have deciced to keep employing McEwen and Fleecy and paying their six-figure salaries is beyond comprehension."
If KMOS want to do anything with the DE, they need Bill and fleecy to tell them what has been done so far. The source code will be on a server somewhere. Who has the passwords? Who knows what the files are called?
Who has the list of addresses of developers? |
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| Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jul-2004 14:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
"AmigaWorld is filled with joy."
Is it?
Most people seem to be saying "Not that damned DE again". |
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| Posted by Seer on 27-Jul-2004 14:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 39 (MIKE):
IIRC he handed out a few (very few) cards to people Gary allready knew and told them he himself was asked to be CEO of Ainc and he was thinking about accepting or something similar.
And yes, I know, you can read this in a blue or a red way. Take your side, enjoy the ride. It's not over yet. |
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| Posted by Kronos on 27-Jul-2004 14:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (Don Cox):
.... or they just knock onto TAO's door ...... |
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| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 27-Jul-2004 15:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 40 (Don Cox):
How much trolling would a trolling troll troll if the trolling troll could troll? |
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| Posted by Agima on 27-Jul-2004 16:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 46 (Sammy Nordström):
>>How much trolling would a trolling troll troll if the trolling troll could troll?
I don't know, lets ask... Eva? |
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| Posted by Neko on 27-Jul-2004 17:31 GMT | $50 per t-shirt? :)
Neko |
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| Posted by gary_c on 27-Jul-2004 23:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (Don Cox):
You don't need to retain high-salary staff just to get the server passwords and developer lists. Presumeably (if it wasn't sold at the auction ;-) ) this information is part of what KMOS bought. I think Bill & Fleecy could tell them "what has been done so far" also as part of the purchase arrangements; they certainly don't need to be kept on the payroll for this purpose alone.
My speculation is that by keeping B&F on staff, KMOS is spared having to come forward with all the back pay owed right away. In any case, the B&F employment arrangements probably have more to do with the investor side of the situation than technology and product development. At least I hope so, wanting to give KMOS more credit than that.
-- gary_c |
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