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Posted on 28-Jul-2004 17:42 GMT by Michal29 comments
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I just want to tell you that AmigaWorld.org AmiWest 2004 report is
now on-line at www.amigaworld.org Take Care.. :) and the summer shall warm you all, :)) Michal
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 1 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by AF on 28-Jul-2004 16:18 GMT
"As you might have noticed, aw.org have been very negative towards amigaworld.net Thats been and is, one of our rivals which is the opposite of other MorphOS websites. While I disagree with their propaganda against MorphOS."

Cut out this crap please. Post some proof instead of spreading such blind hatred.

In fact AW.net discourages MorphOS related discussions so its users don't have to put up with the occasional ann.lu and Amiga.org dog fights. It's mostly people like Realize/Magnetic who continuously likes to spark the MOS vs AOS4 debate there. He still doesn't realize its an AmigaOS community support website and not a MorphOS one.

If statements like "MOS looks cool, but is not of interest to me." is propaganda then what would the usual "That's faked!", "Amiga Inc is dead!", "DMA will never work!", etc coming from the usual suspects be?
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 28-Jul-2004 16:48 GMT
For the sake of equality, there should be a Genesi logo next to Amiga, <a href=http://www.amigaworld.org/ag35_fremside.jpg"> here</a>
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 28-Jul-2004 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (hooligan/dcs):
Nicely screwed up post there mr.hooligan.

HERE!!!


(if this one blows too, I'll hit the bed)
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2004 17:07 GMT
Why did you waist your time? Non Amiga stuff at an Amiga Show, really.
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Posted by JKD on 28-Jul-2004 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (AF):
I know that Michal's English isn't great but I think you deliberately mis-interpreted what he was saying.

It was clearly intended as a plea to stop the in-fighting and yet you go and try and quote it out of context and propogate it...shame on you!

Steve
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 6 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 28-Jul-2004 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (JKD):
Oh, and the article you were supposed to read (as opposed to Michal's well meaning Spirit of Amiga campaign) :

http://www.amigaworld.org/AmiWest2004.html

Regards,

Steve ;-)
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Posted by AF on 28-Jul-2004 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (JKD):
I do not deliberately mis-represent things at all. That's an exact quote from the homepage he is linking to, have a look yourself.

He directly accusses people at AmigaWolrd.net to spread propaganda, while I believe AmigaWorld.net users have behaved in the most polite manner and with the most understanding compared to the users at other websites. They really are an ultra cool bunch of people to chat with IMO and it is the website of my and many others preference!
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2004 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (AF):
> In fact AW.net discourages MorphOS related discussions so its users don't have to put up with the occasional ann.lu and Amiga.org dog fights

Actually, several prominent users on amigaworld aren't shy to put oil into the fire with snide comments but I dare you to retort in any way, shape or form ... you'll get to hear something like "don't let the door hit you on the way out" ;) But you find petty minds everywhere. amiga-news.de is hilarious, it's like American Wrestling in a mental institute over there.
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Posted by Lando on 28-Jul-2004 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (AF):
"He still doesn't realize its an AmigaOS community support website and not a MorphOS one."

It says "Amiga community portal" not AmigaOS community portal. Ask them to change it, and add something to the forum terms to point out that discussion of systems not branded "Amiga" will not be tolerated.

I've suggested this several times, as they often get new users who don't realise and end up getting flamed from all sides when they inadvertantly say something nice about MorphOS.

MorphOS.net is obviously for MorphOS discussion. MorphOS-News.de is obviously for MorphOS-News. If AmigaWorld.net is only for AmigaOS, calling it AmigaOSWorld.net would be more logical, right?
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Posted by Meckel on 29-Jul-2004 00:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Lando):
Right it's an AMIGA community portal, not a MorphOS or Pegasos community portal. AMIGA is a brand, just like Playstation, Nintendo and what freaking not. Why is it so hard to understand?

A playstation community portal does not need to support Nintendo users, even if there is a playstation emulator available for it.
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Posted by Lando on 29-Jul-2004 02:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Meckel):
"Right it's an AMIGA community portal, not a MorphOS or Pegasos community portal."

The other guy said it was an AmigaOS portal, which is the post I was replying to.

"AMIGA is a brand, just like Playstation, Nintendo and what freaking not. Why is it so hard to understand?"

Exactly - Amiga is just a brand, and all I suggested was that they add to the forum rules that only discussion of Amiga _branded_ hardware/software is allowed. That way you won't get people who run MorphOS on their Amigas, or run Amiga software on their Pegasos's joining thinking the site is for discussion of all things Amiga rather than just those carrying the badge.

"A playstation community portal does not need to support Nintendo users, even if there is a playstation emulator available for it."

The only Amiga emulator available for MorphOS is UAE, just like OS4.

If Nintendo tomorrow made a machine which was Playstation compatible (actually, more compatible than my official "branded" Playstation), was many times faster, smaller, more modern, and half the price, I'd expect to be able to discuss it on PlaystationWorld.net, unless of course I knew that only official Sony products were allowed.
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Posted by AF on 29-Jul-2004 02:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Lando):
"Exactly - Amiga is just a brand, and all I suggested was that they add to the forum rules that only discussion of Amiga _branded_ hardware/software is allowed."

I don't think that's a good idea. People should be able to discuss Pegasos and MOS like is currently the case at AmigaWorld.net, but I am against Peg&MOS evangalism spread on AmigaOS4 focussed websites. With a Peg dealer like Realize/Pegasos advertising the Peg is like have the Frieden brothers or Eyetech come to MorphZone to advertise AmigaOS4. IMO a very unhealthy, childish and counter-productive approach.

MOS specific discussion are discouraged by pointing people to MOS dedicated websites, IMO the only honourable approach. Should they also include rules that Windows, Apple, Playstation and what not cannot be discussed? IMO that makes no sense, but of course if we there are too many Windows posts I am sure the admins will ask people to get back on topic. With regard to MOS/Pegasos compared to Windows and Apple and such there is of course the added difficulty that it is a direct (and even hostile, from userbase/management point of view) competitor platform.

"The only Amiga emulator available for MorphOS is UAE, just like OS4."

MOS emulates and mimics the classic 68k AmigaOS 3.1 API as well as WarpOS and PowerUP I believe.

"If Nintendo tomorrow made a machine which was Playstation compatible (actually, more compatible than my official "branded" Playstation), was many times faster, smaller, more modern, and half the price, I'd expect to be able to discuss it on PlaystationWorld.net, unless of course I knew that only official Sony products were allowed."

I am sure a XBOX could emulate an original playstation faster than the original, as well as a PC, Mac, AmigaOne, etc. However I do not believe all those Playstation fan sites would appriciate you advertising the Amiga, PC, Mac, etc on their websites.
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Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jul-2004 04:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
"But you find petty minds everywhere. amiga-news.de is hilarious, it's like American Wrestling in a mental institute over there."

At least the Amiga forums are reasonably free from fights between Republicans and Democrats.
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Posted by AF on 29-Jul-2004 05:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Don Cox):
"At least the Amiga forums are reasonably free from fights between Republicans and Democrats."

When anarchy reigns that's that last thing we have to worry about. ;-)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Jul-2004 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (hooligan/dcs):
Kill Bill?

Which one? Gates? McEwen? Buck? :P
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Posted by ehaines on 29-Jul-2004 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Amon_Re):
> Kill Bill?
>
> Which one? Gates? McEwen? Buck? :P

Yes.
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 17 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 29-Jul-2004 08:09 GMT
When someone offers an olive branch, it's customery not to snatch it and break it in half. I hope someone bigger than you will accept it though.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 29-Jul-2004 09:22 GMT
Oh my, this community splitting again. It's just wonderful how for example (w/o names) people turn from the most vocal H&P supporters into H&P haters at the Amithlon issue, and now Bernie haters as H&P is back in business.

Say, if next day Amiga Inc withdraws the licence to call Hyperion's OS AmigaOS - will you lot hate it just as furiously as you do with MorphOS today and tell them to go away? :)

In the old days I was just like that. Now I'd rather respect those who do something for this community, not those who want to "controll" and "use" it.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Lando):
Ity's not just about AmigaOS. it's about ClassicAmiga, AmigOne and AmigaOS. So Amiga community portal is just right wording.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Emeric SH):
"Say, if next day Amiga Inc withdraws the licence to call Hyperion's OS AmigaOS"

Don't be stupid. you know that OS4 is AmigaOS. It's not same as MOS which not written whitout AmigaOS code. OS4 is AmigaOS, there is no poiint in your speculation.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2004 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
It's not same as MOS which was written whitout AmigaOS code.
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 22 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2004 10:33 GMT
Michel: Don't you see what your opinions caused ?

You try to say that OS4 and MOS guys should stop fighting, but you just add fuel to flames.

You try to say that AmigaWorld.org is neutral site. But then you openly say those things about AmigaWorld.net.

You think AmigaWorld.net is your rival ? Then why MorphZone or MorpohOS news is not your rival ? Why ?

I tell you why. Because you and your site is not so neutral as you try to say. Not at all. Your opinions show that you and your site is more like any other MoephOS site.

You don't accept OS4 specific site like AmigaWorld,net, but you accept MorphZone etc ? Only reason for that is that you are not neutral.

When you think AmigaWorld.net as a rival, and MMOS sites not. You actually say that you support MIOS and not OS4 and it's users.

And your opinions make people write threads like this. Dealing Amigaworld.net as a rival does not help anything, it just causes more trouble.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Jul-2004 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Emeric SH):
License agreements and contracts are important parts of cooperation and joint efforts which I believe is neccessary for the survival of such small and struggling market as the Amiga market. Anything opposing the concept of unifying the Amiga market and community is an opposed effort to what I believe in.
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Posted by ikir on 29-Jul-2004 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Lando):
There are 2 or 3 www.amigaworld.xxx which are Peg forums or website.

For me they are ok. As www.amigaworld.net is only dedicated to Amigaos.
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 25 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by DoomMustard on 29-Jul-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (KenH):
>When someone offers an olive branch, it's customery not to snatch it and break it in half. I hope someone bigger than you will accept it though.

Sure. If it were an Olive Branch. But its only Poison Oak disguised to look like an Olive Branch. Let's reverse the message and THEN see if you understand.

"AmigaWorld.Net concurs, and would like to extent a warm invitation to the Blue crowd (propagandists that they are) over for a pint Tuesday."

Now do you see?
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Posted by AF on 29-Jul-2004 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Emeric SH):
"Say, if next day Amiga Inc withdraws the licence to call Hyperion's OS AmigaOS - will you lot hate it just as furiously as you do with MorphOS today and tell them to go away? :)"

I can only speak for myself, I am behind the AmigaOS4 team all the way nomatter what AmigaOS4 would get called. Neither do I hate MorphOS although it doesn't interest me much due to various reasons, like not needing an alternative with AmigaOS4 coming, disliking the MOS management and various vocal people within its community.

I guess you are just trying to stir up trouble by making things up.... I think most AmigaOS4 supporters feel similar like I do.
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 27 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 29-Jul-2004 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (DoomMustard):
Why take offence when an Amiga site is accused of promoting Amiga?
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 28 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by DoomMustard on 29-Jul-2004 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (KenH):
What are you talking about?
AmiWest 2004 report at amigaworld.org : Comment 29 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 30-Jul-2004 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (AF):
However, I bet you would very welcome to discuss _Playstation gaming_ there even if you only use an emulator. So there's plenty of common ground both in your analogy and in the Amiga community. The point is that you don't log on to Eyetechs official support network and tell people to buy a Pegasos instead.
Expecting to get away with that sounds like something a 4 year old would do. If you're a Pegasos dealer then I advice thinking before writing when visiting AmigaWorld.net. Bah, scratch that. I advice thinking before writing in ANY case. "Engage brain, open mouth" is an old expression of mine that seems to fit here ;-)

If you've ever used DC you'll probably know that many hubs have bots and/or ops that monitor the main chat just to kick people who advertise other hubs. Very funny to ask "where would I find ___" and see people reply with a hub address only to get kicked immediately by a bot. They typically learn to use a private chat on the second attempt :-P

AmigaWorld.net are hosting AmigaOne and AmigaOS4 support forums, so their bias should NOT come as a surprise.
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