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Posted on 09-Aug-2004 09:49 GMT by Anonymous27 comments
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If computers were made by car manufacturers, who would be making the Amiga, Pegasos and PC respectfully? Is the PC a Lada or one of those Soviet cars? ;)
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Posted by Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert on 09-Aug-2004 09:01 GMT
Stupid question since the PC would be "all the cars" except Amiga and Pegasos.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Aug-2004 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert):
What about Mac?
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Posted by AdmV on 09-Aug-2004 09:11 GMT
well...

Amiga = Delorean.
Genesi = whoever you like so long as they do a lot of recalls, redesigns, and missing products.
PC = Cheap japanese cars that work as intended.

AdmV
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Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Aug-2004 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
"Genesi = whoever you like so long as they do a lot of recalls, redesigns, and missing products."

Yeah, I always hated those companies who recall their cars, when it turns out there is a problem in the design. I'd rather burn inside, or wait for the told to be fire-proof suit to drive it - like the case with some other manufacturer. :)
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Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Aug-2004 09:48 GMT
" Is the PC a Lada or one of those Soviet cars? ;)"

A Lada is a car which will take you where you want to go, which you can service yourself, works sometimes under amazing conditions, which would mean the end to western cars, has minimal requirements, and gets the job done - yes, that's a PC. :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Aug-2004 10:06 GMT
Amiga = General Motors
Genesi= Audi
PC = the rest
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Posted by John Block on 09-Aug-2004 12:20 GMT
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Posted by Raffaele on 09-Aug-2004 12:25 GMT
Pegasos = Peugeot or Studio Pininfarina

(Peugeot is known for they are makers of low priced good-aggressive-designed cars of a little-medium luxury.).

(Studio Pininfarina instead is is known for mocking up of existing cars from other factories...
...And well... This is the real condition of the Peggy. A good assembly of existing CPU and existing parts such as chipset and PCI bus, coming from other factories on to a good new motherboard made by good computer designers.)

Or at least we could imagine the makers as a good japanese or corean firm.

(Good features at a reasonable price).


Amiga (intended as AmigaOne) = Toyota

(Because Toyota is known to be makers of luxury cars for the well-off people who believe they are rich and really they aren't.)

[i.e. cars overpriced compared to the real features they offer.]


PC = General Motors

(Because everybody in the world knows the poor quality of the cars coming from USA factories in great numbers, low priced, and aimed to a large-market.)

or at least FIAT.

(Because Fiat cars, which are economic cars, lack of final touches and quality in design)

[Design quality in Fiat went off miserably during the last 15 years. Only with New Panda car model they inverted this bad attitude in quality.].

[Note: Some pre-assembled PC's, marked with known firm logos, are Wolkswagen.].


Apple = Mercedes Benz or AUDI

(Because these are the makers of half-luxury and luxury cars. But intended as cars which are heavy in weight, and overpriced compared to the real features they could offer.)


And talking of software as gasoline, Microsoft could be imagined as russian gasoline (gasoline of poor quality), all extracted and manufactured in a lamish form by russians, and finally sold by russians (again). Russians who were adviced from texan business-consulting firms to raise the price exagerately.

LOL... :-D
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Aug-2004 12:50 GMT
Amiga = Trabant. Old, buggy, overpriced for its market (many of those who would have liked one could simply not afford one), full of dead-end custom solutions that served their purpose once upon a time. Dead since a decade, but with some handfuls of loyal followers scattered around the world that worships this technology but every now and then portraits themselves as real nutcases to the outside world.

BoXeR = Tucker. A machine that is now old, but was packed with for that time interesting and creative solutions. Was killed because of real stupid reasons before it could really take off, but served as inspiration for others.

Pegasos = Saab. High priced, not the most powerful on the market when it comes to raw engine power, but quite unique of its kind, made largely of industry standard components but with the little details that makes it stand out. A strugling little piece of art with a lot of soul.

x86 PC = Most other brands who are available in all shapes and price levels, ranging from Hyundai Atos (VIA Epia Eden) that wins over the Pegasos in price and compactness but looses in performance, via Mercedes (Intel based machines, like motherboards bundled with the faster of the Pentium 4 Northwood processors and really fast memory) that wins over the Pegasos in performance but looses in price and compactness, to low volume, extreme performance monsters like Ferrari with fantasy price tags as well as fantasy performance.

Mac = Bentley. Really high priced, performance that compares well to most other cars ranging from general usage to performance applications. Like the Pegasos it has a lot of soul but of a more snobby kind; this is certainly not something you should mix with the common, general models. It has some status among certain people, while it leaves most others quite untouched.
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Posted by Raffaele on 09-Aug-2004 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
An Anonymous dude wrote:

> Amiga = Trabant.

Trabant were unusable and crappy.

Amiga was very very very good and performant for its times.


If we use the same scale of comparison you used (trabant, bentley, saab), classic Amigas were as Wolkswagen Beetle (not counting power consuming), or Fiat Uno (really usable and good economic car for its market position niche).
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Posted by Bernie Meyer on 09-Aug-2004 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Raffaele):
On the issue of comparing Amigas to VW Beetles (there are other Volkswagen models :), here is something written almost 5 years ago (in January 2000), which seems to have gotten only more applicable over the years.And in case anyone is wondering --- I was wrong about one thing. I never ended up selling that car, and it's now rapidly approaching 30 years on the road, going as strong as ever --- on roughly once-a-year-servicing, too :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Aug-2004 14:37 GMT
PC == Lada
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Aug-2004 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Emeric SH):
" Yeah, I always hated those companies who recall their cars, when it turns out there is a problem in the design. I'd rather burn inside, or wait for the told to be fire-proof suit to drive it - like the case with some other manufacturer. :)"

...or better still, don't buy from companies that can't design a product, and don't buy from companies that having failed to design a prodct release it to the market anyway in order to score a few quick bucks.
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Posted by itix on 09-Aug-2004 18:58 GMT
But what about Airlines? Genesi Airlines vs. Amiga Airlines :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Aug-2004 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (itix):
What's wrong with the good old cola analogy? Which is more "real", Coke or Pepsi?
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Posted by priest on 09-Aug-2004 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
" PC = Cheap japanese cars that work as intended. "

I disagree 100%.
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Posted by Pimploch on 09-Aug-2004 21:50 GMT
For the uninformed types, here is a website which displays which major car company owns the smaller car companies...

http://www.pommert.de/virtualia/garage/
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Posted by AF on 10-Aug-2004 02:17 GMT
Amiga - old model Mercedes passenger car
Pegasos - old model BMW passenger car
PCs - any cheap truck till more expensive Monster Trucks

Amiga and Peg suffer from being perceived as being obsolete and under-powered compared to top model PCs (Monster Truck). They still offer a nice experience though, but spare parts, support and availability is sparse.
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Posted by Raffaele on 10-Aug-2004 06:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Bernie Meyer):
Mr. Bernie Meyer wrote:

>On the issue of comparing Amigas to VW Beetles
>(there are other Volkswagen models :)

I know it. For years my family has got a Wolkswagen Polo (diesel) (very, very good car) but Beetle has more personality and is the best car in the world for preferences in simpathy. That is why I intended Amiga as a Beetle.

And also we got one Fiat Uno (first -or second- slot of production) for 17 years, until last year when we were forced to demolish it, because it suffered having crunched more than 220.000 Kms. A car I am still crying for it.

ç_ç

Very very light, confortable, low consumption and good in stability, with good visual in every direction, easy to drive, easy in parking, and fresh in summer even without air-conditioning. Yes my old Fiat Uno was perfect. One car in a million cars of same model it came out really perfect. Sad it passed away.
And more it is strange that Fiat car company cancelled the model Uno from production or else I could had got another.

Perfect as my old A500.
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Posted by PaulT on 10-Aug-2004 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Finally, an answer that applies some actual knowledge of the auto market! Well done.
I don't think that I would apply Trabant > Amiga, personally. It's a primitive Eastern Bloc auto brand that was not well regarded at ANY time. Why not go with the obvious choice from Commodore's ads, quoting someone from industry at the time: Amiga: The "Maserati of personal computers"! A brand that wasn't for everyone but offered shining performance in its limited field; a brand that was more successful in the area of origin (Europe) than in the U.S.; a brand that at the time competed with the best, though its later offerings fell off the pace, and was sold and resold, with some minimal interest and activity remaining but a tiny player in the market with little impact.
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Posted by Raffaele on 10-Aug-2004 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (PaulT):
Mr. PaulT wrote:

>I don't think that I would apply Trabant > Amiga, personally.
>It's a primitive Eastern Bloc auto brand that was not well
>regarded at ANY time.

Yes, right. We could compare Trabbie to Tandy Radio Shack.

>Why not go with the obvious choice from Commodore's ads,
>quoting someone from industry at the time:
>Amiga: The "Maserati of personal computers"!
>A brand that wasn't for everyone but offered shining performance [CUT]
>and was sold and resold, with some minimal interest and activity
>remaining but a tiny player in the market with little impact.

Hummm. good comparison.
I forgot the fact that the Maserati brand, passed a lots of hands, since it ceased any activity.

No one was capable (and still "is" capable) to bring Maserati back in the market seriously.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 10-Aug-2004 21:11 GMT
Hmm. Okay, to throw my spare change in, I've always thought of the Amiga 'concept' as somehow correlating to Subaru - lightweight, 'different,' based on proven tech, and 'gadgety' without compromising usability. In contrast, Microsoft is the looming GM (or perhaps Ford, given the attempt at consolidation), most UNIX and Linux vendors still run their businesses as if they were making military/commercial contract vehicles, and Apple presently has similarity to the modern Volkswagen -- expensive, functional-but-fiddly designs sold based on the *association* with forgotten simplicity. (That one's apropos, really -- we've seen both companies have to go liquid-cooled.)

If we have to drag Genesi into it, I'll be charitable with the analogy and call the Pegasos a Lancer -- pretty much an even match, probably quite decent or better in aspects when looked at objectively, but backed by a company that but makes what might be odd decisions, and has varying devotion to "the art of rallying," whatever that means here. (KMOSAInc is, for better or worse, focused on the one or two things... Much as Subie's health is dependent on consumer demand for 'things you could probably win a rally with, if nothing else' -- and of course, call the tangled mess of DE a research project along the lines of the hybrids and Smart-alikes the five-star company's been playing with. Genesi, meanwhile, wants to be a big, diversified company... but the strategic moves of the past dozen months resemble what's left the triple-diamond camp in the red.) In any case, you'll find people who love one more than the other at the end of the day, even if they target the same 'niche.'

I'd lean towards calling PCs 'American' in respects, as Intel and AMD are the ones calling the shots... and their marketing departments are made up of the same people who come up with things like the Excursion and Pontiac Vibe. I suppose you could argue that Sony's overall strategy fills the Toyota/Honda/Lexus/Acura niche as regards something excruciatingly 'Japanese,' since while they're happy to do what it takes to penetrate markets (selling products based on MS and Intel, in some way similar to the way those players set up factories over here to claim N% American content), that's only a step in their plan for a Playstation in every home (and Sony will still do what they can to keep MS from gaining ground, much as certain Japanese makes will do what they can to avoid unionization imposing outside influence on their plans).

Meanwhile, sports-car and Bentley analogies will be reserved for the world of consoles, 20-fan game boxes, and various forms of 'workstation'/supercomputing... though something like Red Storm is more of a B-52 than anything else. ;) [You have to be in the four to eight CPU category to equal the markup and 'perqs' you get with a V12, right?]
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 10-Aug-2004 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Raffaele):
>I don't think that I would apply Trabant > Amiga, personally.
>It's a primitive Eastern Bloc auto brand that was not well
>regarded at ANY time.

Yes, right. We could compare Trabbie to Tandy Radio Shack.


Hum. The TRS *was* well-enough regarded in its lifetime, mostly in hacking and hobbyist circles (plenty of Amateur Radio usage, for one thing)... somewhere between a cube van, an old pickup truck, and a Model T (like the PET, but certain -80s could eventually run CP/M). You could call the Model 100 the first motorcycle, though that might've been a repackage of a Japanese design.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 10-Aug-2004 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Bernie Meyer):
@Bernie - If you ever have the opportunity to rent a non-WRX Impreza, it might be the closest thing... Or at least, have a similar sound to it. ;) (Ugh, I forget if that model has a different name on that side of the planet.) A friend's Breeze (Neon) also impressed me in the small, light, cheap category -- your usual fiddly American car, but they gave it a bouncy, solid, 'fun' ride and steering, versus the 'sport-luxury' damping that plagues so many commuter boxes.
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Posted by hammer on 11-Aug-2004 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
Note that X86 ranges from cheap (Celeron/Sempr0n) to expensive (Athlon 64 FX-53/Opteron 850/Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 850/Xeon).
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Posted by hammer on 11-Aug-2004 07:05 GMT
[Edit]Ignore 850 number next to PIV EE.
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Posted by gemuse on 12-Aug-2004 04:14 GMT
Heh :)

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