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Posted on 19-Aug-2004 21:53 GMT by Michal (www.amigaworld.org) (Edited on 2004-08-20 20:07:18 GMT by Christophe Decanini)121 comments
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I got the permission from bbrv to post this onto ANN.

New article on IBM website about Genesi progress:
IBM website with Genesi info
The future is what you as the community want it to be. Whatever turn,.. AmigaWorld.org is here and will give you that Amiga is Amiga. And under that name its all Amiga related things. AmigaONE, PegasosI, MicroA1, PegasosII, Classic Amiga etc.

We are a community and were going to give what we have. But we cannot fight forever about nothing. This is our new Amiga way. Amiga has became the Amiga without custom chips. Its became choices. Its became a competition community. But at the same time. Everyone want it the best. Now its time to get this community back tougether and say.. Its the Spirit Of Amiga.

Enjoy the summer.. and keep Amiga alive!

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 1 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 19-Aug-2004 20:04 GMT
What an absolute pile of nonsense.

bbrv can say what ever he/she wishes at his/her own peril, however, he/she is not Amiga unless he/she actually pays (by license or by outright buy out) for it. (regardless of what his/her peons have to opine in this matter)

Michal, yet again, you have proven to be an immature and salacious individual just asking for a legal enema by screwing around with the Amiga brand. Good luck to you.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 2 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2004 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anonymous):
what an absolute load of nonsense ...
your reply that is...
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 3 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 19-Aug-2004 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anonymous):
What an absolute pile of nonsense.

This is ann.lu and you are posting anonymously, would you expect more? So an anonymous poster like yourself would prefer to read imaginary made-up quasi-news & information posts instead of information direct from an IBM website?

bbrv can say what ever he/she wishes at his/her own peril, however, he/she is not Amiga unless he/she actually pays (by license or by outright buy out) for it. (regardless of what his/her peons have to opine in this matter)

It apparent you didn't read it. Its nice to see business activity with IBM and the Pegasos, openingly more doors for opportunity. Anything is worth a try.

You should realise that Amiga is now just a trademark or brandname, because AmigaInc doesn't most of the Amiga IP. The amiga patents are nearly expired and Gateway (last known holder of Amiga IP) and potentially other companies own the IP.

Are you also complaining about: The Chinese company that made amiga-based set-top boxes, Mick Tinker's BoXeR, Scala, AROS and so on.

You might never see an Amiga branded solution involving IBM if the companies holding that trademark choose not to.


Michal, yet again, you have proven to be an immature and salacious individual just asking for a legal enema by screwing around with the Amiga brand. Good luck to you.

Can anyone take an anonymous troll like yourself seriously?
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 4 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 19-Aug-2004 21:05 GMT
Amiga has became the Amiga without custom chips.

Not if I can help it...
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 5 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 19-Aug-2004 21:53 GMT
AmigaWorld.org is here and will give you that Amiga is Amiga.

Since when did AmigaWorld.org become the ones to decide what is Amiga?

And under that name its all Amiga related things. AmigaONE, PegasosI, MicroA1, PegasosII, Classic Amiga etc.

I don't doubt "bbrv" gave you their permission to associate Genesi's products with the Amiga trademark, too bad it's the wrong people to ask.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 6 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 19-Aug-2004 22:06 GMT
Hehe.. industry "open" standards, "open" platform? :)

This document describes almost *exactly* an inhouse project I am involved in already, only we're not currently using PPC. I wonder who the target audience is.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 7 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Michal (www.amigaworld.org) on 19-Aug-2004 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Sammy Nordström):
He and many others knows amigaworld.org Spirit Of Amiga campaign.

Amiga is not what it was, so this community etc, its whats left and we
share that we like our OS's.

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 8 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Bobsonsirjonny on 19-Aug-2004 23:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Michal (www.amigaworld.org)):
AmiDelf - more thinly veiled trolling... oh dear. Mind you, your command of the English language has greatly improved.

Shame really, you always gave me something to laugh at.

Yes I am trolling at you :-)
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 9 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 20-Aug-2004 00:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anonymous):
bbrv can say what ever he/she wishes at his/her own peril, however, he/she is not Amiga unless he/she actually pays (by license or by outright buy out) for it. (regardless of what his/her peons have to opine in this matter)

I am shaking with anger. >_<
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 10 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 20-Aug-2004 01:16 GMT
The IBM Newsletter article about Genesi's open desktop platform has nothing whatsoever to do with anything "Amiga." I'm not sure what connection Michal sees between Genesi's Open Desktop Platform and "Amiga-related" things, but it's his privilege to make associations as he pleases, I suppose. With the article on a public web page of IBM, no permission from bbrv was necessary to report it here anyway.

Maybe Michal has the idea is that if Genesi gets healthier financially via Linux, then MorphOS and the Pegasos platform in general will get a boost, to the benefit of the "amiga-like OS" users around here (defined by heritage and application use, etc., not by association with the Amiga(TM) brand ;-) ). Or maybe he's just happy that a company with roots here is getting recognition in the bigger world. With the Amiga IP owners so quiet, I wonder how much of the reaction to his post is more due to sour grapes than anything else.

Personally, I think the time for rallying around "the Amiga Spirt" is long gone, especially considering what the name has come to mean in the last several years. As long as "Amiga" is first and foremost a brand name rabidly defended by fans, as demonstrated again in this thread, then it will be impossible and pointless to try make something positive out of it for anyone or anything else. Anyway, what value does it have? Maybe if/when the AmigaOne(TM) and AmigaOS(TM) are something that can be proudly compared to other computer platforms, when they're more on the cutting edge than in the backwash, then the name will regain its old glory, to begin with. In the meantime, as a brand it has basically been depreciated to near worthlessness IMHO.

To its credit, Genesi does not advertise MorphOS with any references to Amiga, only saying that it can run many of "the titles of the classic Commodore Amiga series of computers," which is just a factual product description. I hope people who know and care about the heritage of the Pegasos and MorphOS can just be content with that knowledge without having to try to defend it. The more Pegasos/MOS can evolve forward and expand and grow their own identities, the better.

-- gary_c
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 11 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 20-Aug-2004 01:28 GMT
Something that I would almost feel bad about posting:

There's no mention of AmigaOS or the compatibility of MorphOS with the AmigaOS, it just talks about Linux (Debian) and hardware. There's even a grain in there about how not all factors of Debian are guaranteed to work. I just find the article a proponent of misinformed journalists who have conveniently left out the underlying details to levy their own ilspoken propaganda. I'm going to shut up now... I feel my post is nothing more than flamebait. Sorry in advance if it is.
--
Kent
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 12 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 20-Aug-2004 01:28 GMT
Something that I would almost feel bad about posting:

There's no mention of AmigaOS or the compatibility of MorphOS with the AmigaOS, it just talks about Linux (Debian) and hardware. There's even a grain in there about how not all factors of Debian are guaranteed to work. I just find the article a proponent of misinformed journalists who have conveniently left out the underlying details to levy their own ilspoken propaganda. I'm going to shut up now... I feel my post is nothing more than flamebait. Sorry in advance if it is.
--
Kent
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 13 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 01:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Stop shaking, ignore the noise and consider the reality.

bbrv does not own, influence or in any way have, any say in Amiga. bbrv and any limited partnership (past, present or contemplated)would be a licensee at best.(if my understanding of the court decision is correct)

The 'Spirit of Amiga'/ a-blahblah.org faction that initiated this string is equally lost in the noise, not even remotely defensible, as repetitively shallow minded it may be.

If your delicate sensibilities are so incensed, I recommend that you and your ilk consider the last time that any company, its intellectual property portfolio, its trademark and all that it entails, was taken from its rightful owner, carte blanche, by squatters because they decided to initiate a plan in the TRUE Spirit of whatever. Great business plan.

Tourists.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 14 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 01:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (gary_c):
Thank you Gary_C.

Whilst I respect your position and bias, in this particular case, I respect your perspective in this matter. Well stated.

On the other hand, you might consider the same high road, and accordingly less smiley faces whenst referencing anything Amiga. If your product is soooo good and soooo original, it really doesnt need any association to something that is not yours, regardless of its stated 'inspiration', right?
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 15 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Aug-2004 02:12 GMT
I think I have come to a good and fairly correct conclusion about the "Spirit of Amiga": Dead.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 16 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 20-Aug-2004 02:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (anonymous):
Stop trolling and return to reality.

Here's what you did: you spammed this article just to spew your fanatical mindless drivel.


PS: You and your like-minded ilk need to get medical attention.

PPS: There is nothing to fight for here. It died a quiet death almost decade ago.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 17 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 02:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ronald St-Maurice):
A decade ago? And yet you are still spitting mad?

Pot, kettle, black.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 18 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 20-Aug-2004 02:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (anonymous):
Still spamming and trying to look relevant?
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 19 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 02:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Pot, kettle, black
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 20 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 20-Aug-2004 03:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (anonymous):
Earlier post: bbrv can say what ever he/she wishes at his/her own peril, however, he/she is not Amiga unless he/she actually pays (by license or by outright buy out) for it. (regardless of what his/her peons have to opine in this matter)

Is there something you don't understand about the IBM Newsletter article? There's no IP squatting going on. Don't confuse the poster's opinions with Genesi's. (Genesi doesn't control the opinions that people might have, so there's no point in calling anyone a Genesi peon -- apart from Sven or someone else actually working for them, of course ;-).)

Great business plan.

I don't see anyone promoting that business plan.

Later post: If your product is soooo good and soooo original, it really doesnt need any association to something that is not yours, regardless of its stated 'inspiration', right?

There's the matter of history and factual accuracy, too. It's easy enough to say MorphOS isn't AmigaOS, of course, but is it accurate to say there's nothing in common between the platforms? Of course not. I don't think Genesi "needs" the association for its identity (and in fact, as time goes on, better off without it), but the reality is that there are deep-rooted associations on informal and functional levels, like the history of MorphOS, 68k Amiga application compatibility, overlapping developer and user bases, and abstract things like individual users' sense of identity and history, etc. These are inherent aspects of the situation that give the platforms a shared identity in some regards. In certain contexts that might be something for Genesi or its resellers to advertise, and why not, if it's phrased accurately? But I don't think that includes saying "we are the new Amiga" (unless its meant metaphorically, as JL Gassee referred to the BeBox). In view of what Amiga has become, I would imagine bbrv or anyone else would be fairly selective about how they want to phrase comparisons.

-- gary_c
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 21 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Aug-2004 03:51 GMT
Gensei is teh bad!!!
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 22 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Ugressive on 20-Aug-2004 04:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Michal (www.amigaworld.org)):
He and many others knows amigaworld.org Spirit Of Amiga campaign.

What many others? What are you talking about? Michal people are laughing
at you.

There is no Spirit Of Amiga campaign - this campaign is only in your head.
In little boy head which do what bbrv tell him to do.

You are not using Amiga anymore. This is of course not our problem but you
can't say everywhere you are still have Amiga because bbrv said you
that.

Many little boys have heroes: Spiderman, Batman, etc... You also have hero.
His name is BBRV. it is big double hero but only for you and for your
imagination.

Don't write anymore about Amiga. Because your computer and Amiga this is
two different things. Like AtariST and Amiga in the past. The same CPU,
sometimes the same programs and games you can run on this two computers.
But nobody said AtariST it is Amiga. I know, there wasn't bbrv hero in that
time.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 23 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Aug-2004 05:00 GMT
I don't see the relationship with what you wrote regarding the link you posted, nor do i see why you'd need bbrv's permition to post a link to ibm.

Am i missing something here? Or did bbrv post all that nonsence about Amiga & the community? The article itself seems like an intresting read, i'll read it later.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 24 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Aug-2004 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Why? He/She is correct, i mean Bill Buck/Rachel V. (forgot the spelling), so it IS he/she :P
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 25 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Aug-2004 05:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Amon_Re):
Shemales...
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 26 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Aug-2004 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (hooligan/dcs):
Oh great, thanks alot for *THAT* mental image...
:P
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 27 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 05:41 GMT
I got the permission from bbrv to post this onto ANN.

Lol, I didn't known things gone as sect in genesi world.

We were happy not to have blue trolls here since a while.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 28 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 20-Aug-2004 05:56 GMT
Pegasos with MorphOS is Amiga ;-)
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 29 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 20-Aug-2004 06:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (brotheris):
yeah.
so is aros on any x86 machine too tho ;)
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 30 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 20-Aug-2004 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
He didn't need permission. That's been explained already and you'd know it if you were really here for anything but to cause bad feelings.

-- gary_c
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 31 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 20-Aug-2004 06:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (gary_c):
About the permission thing, bbrv sometimes send an email to people running web sites, etc., when something like this IBM newsletter article is published. Michal probably received such an email and asked for permission to post about at ann.lu about the link in the private email, as a courtesy, maybe not thinking about the IBM newsletter already being public anyway. So don't read anything more than that into it. It's no big thing except to trouble-makers trying to twist the story around.

-- gary_c
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 32 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Aug-2004 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (gary_c):
I think it's a combination of bad wording and people trying to stirr up trouble, but hey, shit happens.

I still don't see the relevance to Amiga or the community, but i suppose AmiDelf saw a connection of some sort.

Good to see things are still happening over at that front, it's been quiet about Genesi on ann.lu
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 33 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Aug-2004 06:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (brotheris):
That's a personal opinion Brotheris, i think anything running AOS qualifies as an Amiga, be it a PC running Amithlon or whatever. For me, the qualifier is AOS, for you, it's probably the look, feel & apps.

I think it's best if we tried to avoid stating such things, some people are very sensitive about those things on all fronts.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 34 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 20-Aug-2004 06:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Amon_Re):
I think it's best if we tried to avoid stating such things

You're right, but I was having a dig at "Name Followers". Seems like cheesegrate got it ;-)

Here's another: have a look at reality, OS4 runs less AmigaOS software that real solution (MorphOS) and runs on more underpowered and expensive platform, has a lot less features, is slower. Was that good ? ;-)

On article note, it is very nice to see wide recognition of Pegasos hardware. We'll just have to wait and see what this fight for new computer platform survival will bring into real world of computing (it is more than computer platform, but I comment what is more relevant here).
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 35 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 07:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anonymous):
"Michal, yet again, you have proven to be an immature and salacious individual just asking for a legal enema by screwing around with the Amiga brand. Good luck to you"

You are the immature one to write such crap. Hopefully some people believe in the future of PPC computer and not just Amiga... BTW what is Amiga today ??? Michal is kind enough to post good information for all the community, let him do it and start being a little less stupid. Is you role to screw everything ?
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 36 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Aug-2004 07:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (gary_c):
" To its credit, Genesi does not advertise MorphOS with any references to Amiga, only saying that it can run many of "the titles of the classic Commodore Amiga series of computers," which is just a factual product description. "

I wonder why freescale say MorphOS is AmigaOS...

And when they refer to the "original" all around their documentation, it refers to Amiga, even if they avoid saying "Amiga" and try to insist that Amigas were "JUST" "some" commodore A**00 machines...

I wonder if policy changes when MOS starts to do things beyond abox.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 37 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Aug-2004 07:18 GMT
About the topic...

Amiga is not about HW. Especially not any more.
It's about the spirit, OS, SW and community.

I have hard time getting anything Amiga related from that Linux stuff on the IBM page. But it's just me, so, forget it. :-)
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 38 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Michal (www.amigaworld.org) on 20-Aug-2004 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (brotheris):
Reason for this all is that you. ANN is become a flaming website. Whatever if I only posted that link. It would also be a trolling from the red side. So I added a comment about whats an Amiga for me and should be for you.

I own Amiga 1200, PegasosII, AMD XP1800 PC, Dreamcast, Playstation 2 and N-gage. And PegasosII is among my favourites tougether with my A1200 and my Dreamcast. But the whole point with the news flambait is to atleast try to get people to be more tougether. To try to give the Amiga a better reputation.

And sure, there will be many postings now that I am not doing a thing, that I am crap, that I am a blue troll, that I am a red troll etc.. That I do things on my own,.. But just think of it. The custom Amiga era is over! Its done and Amiga is just a name for all of it now.

If these ColdFire projects etc where made and the Classic Amiga could continue, that would be another story of it all. But the fact is that both AmigaONE and PegasosII is PPC motherboards with PC architecture on them. They are PC's, but they are Amigas. They are formed by this Amiga community.

And competition is good, dont you think? But on such small platform. Well. It's showing results of better software etc. Just follow the news and you will see.

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 39 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 20-Aug-2004 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Michal (www.amigaworld.org)):
Reason for this all is that you. ANN is become a flaming website

and

But the whole point with the news flambait is to atleast try to get people to be more tougether

So is this place becoming flaming website because of my comments or because of your news item :-) ?
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 40 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Aug-2004 08:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Michal (www.amigaworld.org)):
Reason for this all is that you. ANN is become a flaming website. Whatever if I only posted that link. It would also be a trolling from the red side. So I added a comment about whats an Amiga for me and should be for you.

Actually, i disagree, yes, there would still be mindless trolling about just a link (Why didn't you provide a summery, why this, why that, genesi is this, genesi is that, bla bla bla), but there would be less noise about your post, and more about the link.

Also, what you think is an Amiga is *YOUR* opinion, and yours alone, don't try & force your view on others.

I own Amiga 1200, PegasosII, AMD XP1800 PC, Dreamcast, Playstation 2 and N-gage. And PegasosII is among my favourites tougether with my A1200 and my Dreamcast. But the whole point with the news flambait is to atleast try to get people to be more tougether. To try to give the Amiga a better reputation.

You can't bring people together with flamebait mate :P

And sure, there will be many postings now that I am not doing a thing, that I am crap, that I am a blue troll, that I am a red troll etc.. That I do things on my own,.. But just think of it. The custom Amiga era is over! Its done and Amiga is just a name for all of it now.

It's also a trademark, i have no problems accepting the pegasos community as part of the general Amiga community, but that doesn't mean they have a moral or legal right to use the name amiga for their products (the moral part is offcourse open for debate, and my own biased opinion, please don't go further into this for the sake of it)

If these ColdFire projects etc where made and the Classic Amiga could continue, that would be another story of it all. But the fact is that both AmigaONE and PegasosII is PPC motherboards with PC architecture on them. They are PC's, but they are Amigas. They are formed by this Amiga community.</>

True, but the classic had to die sooner or later, it's unfeasable to bring AGA up to a point that it can compete with the likes of ATI or NVidea

And competition is good, dont you think? But on such small platform. Well. It's showing results of better software etc. Just follow the news and you will see.

Fair competition is good in a decent sized market, in a microsphere like this market, it could kill all products. So all involved parties should thread more carefully i think

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 41 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 20-Aug-2004 08:15 GMT
About that Amiga talk, well, it's like this:

AmigaInc or KMOS do not own "Amiga". They presumably own at least
some of the trademarks and have a right to use most or all of the
technology.

Genesi also do not own "Amiga". They have the right to use the
trademark and some of the technology.

What KMOS/AInc has and has not rights to is somewhat unclear, but what
Genesi has rights to (including use of the trademark) is crystal clear
after the court case.

Well: Maybe not. Because there is a possibility that neither Gateway,
AInc or KMOS own any of it, if some claims about what happened after
the previous bankruptcies are true. In that case, Genesi can of course
not be granted that right by AInc/KMOS. But if this is the case, it is
hardly fitting for KMOS/AInc supporters to complain. :-)
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 42 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Johan Rönnblom):
"What KMOS/AInc has and has not rights to is somewhat unclear, but what
Genesi has rights to (including use of the trademark) is crystal clear
after the court case. "

Yeah. genesi does not have any right to use Amiga trademark.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 43 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by David S Lund on 20-Aug-2004 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (gary_c):
I just don't see what all the fighting is about. What does it accomplish? I like my Peg1 just the way it is. When I bought it, it wasn't with runnning OLD Amiga apps in mind. It was a fresh start with a fast new OS that was AVAILABLE at the time. If in the future, I think that there is an A1 app out there that I can't live without, I'll buy an A1. I will not be convinced to by a product based on a bunch of childish fighting.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 44 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 20-Aug-2004 10:50 GMT
43 comments and *none* about the real subject: this Avalanche newsletter...

Some people believe the "Pegasos" has nothing to do and shouldn't be mentionned together with "Amiga". (1)
Some other believe the contrary. (2)
Some, just like me don't care at all. (3)

Whatever you think, this news item is about Avalanche project. So whatever "camp" you have chosen (1, 2, or 3), you're free to comment on this subject. But if you don't want to comment on this, better spend your time playing football, watching movies, reading books, coding, instead of writing trash here.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 45 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 20-Aug-2004 10:50 GMT
43 comments and *none* about the real subject: this Avalanche newsletter...

Some people believe the "Pegasos" has nothing to do and shouldn't be mentionned together with "Amiga". (1)
Some other believe the contrary. (2)
Some, just like me don't care at all. (3)

Whatever you think, this news item is about Avalanche project. So whatever "camp" you have chosen (1, 2, or 3), you're free to comment on this subject. But if you don't want to comment on this, better spend your time playing football, watching movies, reading books, coding, instead of writing trash here.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 46 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 11:29 GMT
OK what's all this fuss about an Genesi advertisement on the IBM homepage?

I mean, this article was not written by IBM or some "neutral" journalist. It was written by Sven Luther and Bill Buck.

And every compagny, using IBM products, can write an "technical" artical and get it published on the IBM homepage.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 47 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by David S Lund on 20-Aug-2004 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
> And every compagny, using IBM products, can write an "technical" artical and get it published on the IBM homepage.

This is a good thing. Exposure. Free advertising. Marketing. Nothing wrong with that. A1 also uses IBM products...any tech articles?? Why not? What could it hurt?
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 48 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 20-Aug-2004 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
Why don't you just read the court order and the contract?

As things stand, Genesi do have the right to use the trademarks in
connection with the Pegasos. I haven't seen them do this except at
http://www.pegasosppc.com/operating_systems.php
but this usage (which caused a lot of complaint) is quite in line with
the contract.

Aside from that, it doesn't require any license or agreement to claim
that the Pegasos comes with an Amiga(tm)-compatible operating system,
of course.
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 49 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2004 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (David S Lund):
Of course someone can right an tech article about the possibilities of for example an mini ITX A1, but that's not my point.

Why should a link to an advertisement be posted on a news site? At least it got moderated as [web].
Genesi on IBM webpage etc : Comment 50 of 121ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 20-Aug-2004 12:31 GMT
Michal, it's nice to see more people that embraces all that has it's roots in the classic Amiga, regadles of the name of the product.
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