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[News] Two new -A1's models on the wayANN.lu
Posted on 28-Aug-2004 15:44 GMT by Still Articia?170 comments
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Two MiniITX A1's models are on the way, both G3. The first one is very similar to the "beta" versions that was sold earlier. The price for this one will be $600USD/500EUR, excluding VAT. The other version will also offer some more features such as Firewire, Gigabit Ethernet and an additional (custom?) PCI connector, and will cost $700USD/600EUR.

More info at: http://www.eyetech.co.uk/addbar.php?Address=/NEWS/TWONE001.HTM

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Posted by nitpicker (217.95.211.174) on 28-Aug-2004 13:53 GMT
I don't know where you live, but where i live 600 EUR is hardly 700 USD. It's more like 720 USD.
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 13:56 GMT
The A1-I looks cool ^^
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Posted by Olegil (195.1.135.34) on 28-Aug-2004 13:57 GMT
It's not a PCI connector (it already has one of those), it is a PC/104 connector for industrial use. PC/104 is a lot more used than miniITX in the industrial world.

I'm not certain whether it is PC/104 compliant or just using the same connector type (female IDC header). Should be very easy for us hardware geeks to interface to this sucker.

The Realtek GigE isn't the _most_ popular one in the x86 world, but there isn't many alternatives with driver possibilities I guess...

All in all I'm fairly positive to both boards. Good luck to Eyetech, let's just hope they don't sell more than a couple of each type to me ;-)
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Posted by Kronos (217.255.217.204) on 28-Aug-2004 13:57 GMT
600+~100VAT(Germany)+119OS4PRE(as listed in the KDH-webshop) -> ~800Euro for
the base model.

Woah, they even managed to blast away the worst expectations....
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Posted by Olegil (195.1.135.34) on 28-Aug-2004 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (nitpicker):
725, actually. But October is still a bit off, God only knows what it'll be THEN! :-)

349GBP isn't 500EUR either, it's 515. So it's cheaper to buy in USD than in EUR, and still cheaper in EUR than buying in GBP...

I wish Alan would just state the cost in ONE currency and just use the current exchange rates each day rather than trying to politically price things.
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Posted by Tryo (217.237.151.45) on 28-Aug-2004 14:16 GMT
"The first batch of production -A1-C boards have already been made and are now on their way to us. Hyperion are currently finalising an updated version of OS4 for the board - we will begin shipping boards to dealers when we receive the new OS4 CDs. "

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, does this mean Amiga, Inc. certified the MircoA1 to be allowed to run OS4?

It's nowhere mentioned. Anyone cares to enlight me?
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.146.8) on 28-Aug-2004 14:23 GMT
Whoa, that re-defines expensive. Don't see much of those beeing sold outside the hard core of Amiga users (and even among us, how many would be satisfied with a single-slot-slow CPU-slow graphics platform?). OS4 needs a decent, bug-free, cheap micro-ATX G4 board. Did I mention cheap? They, IMHO, have their priorities all wrong.
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Posted by lurker (217.83.89.69) on 28-Aug-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Kronos):
The base model surely is the 500 one, isn't it? 16% VAT makes it 580, with a
very tight calculation it could sell for about 600 with little or no margin for
the dealer. And 20 for covering the dealers costs is not really much and only
feasible on high volumes. So I expect rather a 650 street price for the lower
and about 750-800 for the higher. Complete systems based on those board could
eventually start at 800/900 resp.

All in all that's not to bad, one step at a time in the right direction. After
all these are the 3rd and 4th model of the AmigaOne with a 5th on the horizon,
where is the Peg III one might ask?

Eyetech's calculation seems to be based more on the real cost of the design
rather than (too high?) expectations of sales as seen on the other side. Fact
vs. possibility. Also the boards are still mostly targeted for AmigaOS and Linux
as a 2nd choice, Genesi aims at the Linux and BSD markets (which possibly means
higher sales than the Amiga market) with MOS playing a kind of a joker and
teaser for former AmigaOS users (a small user/developer base is better than
none)

just 2ct.
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.146.8) on 28-Aug-2004 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Olegil):
> The Realtek GigE isn't the _most_ popular

That's one way to put it, most would say that Realtek is the biggest crap on earth ;)
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Posted by Olegil (195.1.135.34) on 28-Aug-2004 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Kronos):
there is no base model. There is one commercial and one industrial version. For consumers, there really is no choice. The cheaper one is the only one that would work for them (better expandability). Memory and CPU soldered on isn't for you and me, it's for those set-top boxes and other equipment

I agree that it's a bit pricey, though. But if you see the cost breakdown you'll see that more than half of it is the CPU module. ~250EUR. That's TOO friggin' much (it should cost ~70EUR at that spec). The board, license, memory, cooler and OS are, however, all within what I would consider ok for a board like this from a minor player in the market.

That's the same CPU price as an Intel XEON 2.8GHz with 512k cache... Ouch.
But I don't have any delusions about Eyetech running off with a large percentage from those boards. Unfortunately.
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Posted by Anonymous (81.29.32.150) on 28-Aug-2004 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Kronos):
did you read that both boards include cpu, 256MB memory, cpu cooler and on board graphics and sound ?
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Posted by Olegil (195.1.135.34) on 28-Aug-2004 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
But still, what other chipsets would be feasible? Intel maybe?
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Posted by Kronos (217.255.217.204) on 28-Aug-2004 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (lurker):
Yeah, my bad ..... it's hard to keep track with all these numbers.

But you also missed something, the cost of OS4-PRE.

Problem is that most of those ready to pay such a price have allready bought a "normal" A1, and the rest was going "will buy when prices drop" during the last months. Something that was expected with the ITX-A1 with rumoured prices around ~300Euro.

It's gonna be hard to sell a resonable number at these prices, which is gonna make developing competetive and exclusive SW (they only kind that can attract new users) even more unattractive.
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Posted by Olegil (195.1.135.34) on 28-Aug-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (lurker):
I wouldn't even BEGIN speculating about a "street" price for the industrial version. It's not AIMED at the street (ok, I wouldn't aim anything towards the street if it costs 400UKP :-P You know what I mean, though...). It's aimed for industrial usage where you will never need to put in more memory or upgrade the CPU (set top box, DVD/DivX players, arcade game systems etc, etc).

I'm fairly certain I would save more than 50UKP per unit by using the PC/104 interface instead of trying to use USB, parallell port or PCI to control things like LEDs, LCD, buttons on the front etc. Simple is good :-)
But for a small form-factor computer on my desk it would be a waste of money. I would rather get the cheaper one as it can be expanded later.
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Posted by Lando (82.69.46.251) on 28-Aug-2004 14:51 GMT
Damn... the "budget" A1 comes in at a whole 100 less than the A1-XE G3. 489 including VAT, when the A1-XE G3 is 588.

I would have actually bought one of these if they had kept it under 250...

Pegasos II G3-600 is 235 including VAT, so it's 2 and a bit times more expensive than that.

Why don't they let people buy their own CPU cooler and SODimm?
Why isn't there a "Profit" row in that price breakdown?
Why is the CPU module so expensive?
How much of the motherboard cost is the KMOS "name" licence?

How many do they actually think they're going to sell when they're 4 times more expensive than the equivalent mini-itx board in the x86 world and over 2 times more expensive than the PegII G3?

Why is OS4 purchase compulsory? 100EUR is too much. Every other Amiga sold in the history of Amigas has come with AmigaOS included free.

Anyway, as it stands this new board is dead before it's even out. Bye bye Eyetech.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Lando):
>Every other Amiga sold in the history of Amigas has come with AmigaOS included >free.

Sure, Commodore never factored in the price of the development cost in the salesprice.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz (64.252.16.62) on 28-Aug-2004 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Olegil):
there is no base model. There is one commercial and one industrial version. For consumers, there really is no choice. The cheaper one is the only one that would work for them (better expandability). Memory and CPU soldered on isn't for you and me, it's for those set-top boxes and other equipment

This begs the question: Who would ever upgrade the CPU when you can't touch the GPU (and if G4s aren't going to be a purchase-time option just yet, while unpopulated boards won't be available to provide a market for used CPUs)... and who would complain about a 'free' 256MB RAM?

I'd wince at the lack of DVI, but no, really, this is enough, and especially if we're still going to be treated to a MicroATX board with a real AGP slot a few months down the roadmap... Eyetech, you've got it 'right.' Stop investing in MPX board R&D after this run (considering that Motorola 'SoC' everyone is on about sounds like a RapidIO part anyway, and *especially* if we're never going to see a DDR chipset that can shave that RAM cost in half), and focus on getting the cost of these things down below one kidney!

I agree that it's a bit pricey, though. But if you see the cost breakdown you'll see that more than half of it is the CPU module. ~250EUR. That's TOO friggin' much (it should cost ~70EUR at that spec). The board, license, memory, cooler and OS are, however, all within what I would consider ok for a board like this from a minor player in the market.

It's a nice place to stick all the costs of design and validation, or their suppliers should really be shot. Or both.

That's the same CPU price as an Intel XEON 2.8GHz with 512k cache... Ouch.

Or an Opteron 148 or 244.

I'd probably be less crass about this if I were $600 less in debt right now. (Anyone want that kidney?)

...

PCI-104 is actually what they're calling the PCI-based PC-104 spec, by the way.
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Posted by Seehund (81.229.106.134) on 28-Aug-2004 15:17 GMT
Someone, somewhere, seems to keep making quite odd decisions, IMO. This time about these two Teron Mini configurations. I would expect a "Commercial" (home use) Teron Mini config to be more like Eyetech's "Industrial" one (ATA133, GbE, IEEE1394)...
... minus the PC/104 (PC/104-Plus, surely?) connector,
... plus CPU-module socket,
... minus the on-board video crap, plus an AGP connector.

Not that I believe this would make it all that easier to sell a 1999/2000 PC technology motherboard for US$600 to 700 + VAT + whatever_the_"compulsory_purchase_item"_AOS4_will_cost, in 2004. Or 2005. Or 200...

BTW, are there new versions of the lowly CMI8738 that are actually capable of "6.1 surround sound"?
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Posted by ikir (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 15:18 GMT
Really good! 2 different models is a surpire for me! I hope in a cool black case :-P

@ thread i know a good number of people (not amiga die hard fans) who whould be interested in buying one of these. Also the industrial model has a lot of potential imho.

Anyway we'll see i, good luck Eyetech.
Ps: There is no need to attack every OS4/A1 news :-) If you aren't interested, don't read this :-)
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.145.82) on 28-Aug-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Olegil):
> It's aimed for industrial usage where you will never need to put in more memory or upgrade the CPU

I think the only niche for them is as small home computer cubes. I don't see them getting "industrial use". These mini-itx boards don't appear to be aimed at anything in particular, they are a jack of all trades but don't do anything very well. For an industrial solution, they tend to have too much that is not needed: a web server doesn't need sound and USB and VGA, a set top box doesn't need 256 MB RAM and an expensive 800 MHz CPU etc.
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Posted by Seehund (81.229.106.134) on 28-Aug-2004 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Lando):
Why is OS4 purchase compulsory? 100EUR is too much. Every other Amiga sold in the history of Amigas has come with AmigaOS included free.

I know what you mean, but as Ben Hermans already has remarked; TANSTAAFL. No matter *how* you buy something, you always pay for everything you get, one way or another.

Saying "Buy Product X, it only costs A dollars (and compulsory purchase item Y costs B dollars)" might sound cheaper than "Buy Product X+Y, it only costs A+B dollars".

That price breakdown seems both pulled out of somebody's as*... sorry, "approximate"... and pointless anyway. It's the end-user price. Without a listing of what the seller (Eyetech) pays for each part, it seems like meaningless juggling with numbers. And no, I don't expect Eyetech or any other privately owned reseller of any other product to (honestly) disclose how much they pay themselves.
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Posted by Seehund (81.229.106.134) on 28-Aug-2004 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Kronos):
... the rest was going "will buy when prices drop" during the last months.

Hm. So "RSN marketing" still works.

Something that was expected with the ITX-A1 with rumoured prices around ~300Euro.

What 300 rumours? Did somebody else go and e-mail Mai Logic this time? If so, bad puppy! That's not Constructive(TM)! ;)
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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
"OS4 needs a decent, bug-free, cheap micro-ATX G4 board. "

Did you read the announcement? It states that current G4s are too hot for those little cases.

As for cheap, what was the price of the A1200 when it came out, and how do the specs compare?
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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Lando):
"Why is OS4 purchase compulsory? 100EUR is too much. Every other Amiga sold in the history of Amigas has come with AmigaOS included free."

Every other Amiga has come with the OS compulsory. How could it be free? Commodore's programmers had to be paid.
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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Seehund):
"Someone, somewhere, seems to keep making quite odd decisions, IMO. "

Have you considered starting a hardware company of your own? I am sure you would make better decisions and become rich very quickly.
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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
"For an industrial solution, they tend to have too much that is not needed: a web server doesn't need sound and USB and VGA, a set top box doesn't need 256 MB RAM and an expensive 800 MHz CPU etc."

There are probably 500 other possible applications beside those you mention. In some, the cost of the motherboard is not significant.
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Posted by Seehund (81.229.106.134) on 28-Aug-2004 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Tryo):
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, does this mean Amiga, Inc. certified the MircoA1 to be allowed to run OS4?

As has been obvious to most (I hope) people all along, the AInc. "certification" and "QA" nonsense was just that, nonsense. Last I can/care to remember hearing of Fleecy, he said that the "AmigaOne" trademark belongs to Eyetech.

But here's some great news: All Teron models hitherto and currently sold "for use with AOS" (so to speak, since none have shipped with AOS) by Eyetech, and presumably anything else they can find to sell under their own "AmigaOne" trademark in the future, are already "actually [...] available and selling in numbers that provide a business opportunity."

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Source. (Then again, "it's not on amiga.com". Strictly speaking.)
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Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 28-Aug-2004 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
A1200 was full system (case, kb, mouse, ram, gfx+sound, OS). Lack of G4 model isnt big loss IMO. Usefulness of Altivec is limited and there aren't that many PPC native titles anyway.
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Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 28-Aug-2004 16:16 GMT
Is it possible to buy mA1 without an OS4? (i.e. to run Linux only)
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Posted by Anonymous (217.208.171.136) on 28-Aug-2004 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Seehund):
Please point me to the mai document or webpage concerning a Teron motherboard that you feel represents the -A1-I featurewhise.
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Posted by Kronos (217.255.217.204) on 28-Aug-2004 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
>As for cheap, what was the price of the A1200 when it came out,
Less for the base unit, and about the same when you added an HD and compare it to a "full" A1-system.

>and how do the specs compare?
The A1200 (at that time):
-allowed you to run top-notch games
-was the only computer in this price-class that offered useable multitasking
-was easy (cheap) to expand for use with video-related apps
-was capable to run some of the best pixel-based GFX-apps of the time
-offered good sound compared to what had to be bought at extra cost for the PC
-was quite cheap compared to entry-level PC

How much of these applies to any A1 ?
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Posted by Seehund (81.229.106.134) on 28-Aug-2004 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Don Cox):
Can I borrow some venture capital from you, Don? ;)

Seriously, I just thought the "C" and "I" model specs respectively aren't aimed at either of the "C" or "I" markets.

Personally I'd expect "C" (home/enthusiast/entertainment/multimedia/"Amigan") to mean "all bells and whistles [from this particular "I" model, anyway] and expandability", while "I" (industrial, embedded, kiosk) would mean "small, highly integrated, and with the target market essentials".
OTOH, depending on Industry, "I" often equals "tailor made".

Maybe it's just the names and labels that are confusing, as always.
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Posted by Johan Rnnblom (193.11.251.131) on 28-Aug-2004 16:35 GMT
Well, the differing prices all go to show that this is just an
estimate, anyway. The problem is the addition of the much too precise
"39" for the DIMM to the less precise "170" for the CPU card, yielding
the seemingly rather exact sum of 349 GBP. Of course it should be
rounded to 350. And then whether it's 500 or 520 EUR clearly cannot be
determined at this point.

Still, 600+ EUR including OS, plus VAT, is quite a lot for a system of
this kind. I can't see anyone buying it unless they desperately want
OS4 and can't get an earlier A1 version.


lurker wrote:
> After all these are the 3rd and 4th model of the AmigaOne with a 5th
> on the horizon, where is the Peg III one might ask?

You're joking or so? I mean, these "3rd and 4th" generation A1s are no
match even for the Pegasos I, let alone the Peg 2. In fact, they even
have a worse price/performance ratio than the previous A1s for home
computer applications (OS4), which is the only application likely for
an Articia based system.
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Posted by Seehund (81.229.106.134) on 28-Aug-2004 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
What do you mean, "represents"? And why ask me? For specs, read this news item and check out the link there instead. AFAIK there's no Mai web page or doc listing the Teron Mini populated with this "I" config separately from its base specs.
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Posted by Lando (82.69.46.251) on 28-Aug-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Don Cox):
"Every other Amiga has come with the OS compulsory. How could it be free? Commodore's programmers had to be paid."

"Free" meaning that I don't remember walking into Dixons and seeing A1200's advertised as "299 (+ 100 for compulsory Workbench 3.0)". Obviously C= paid their programmers. It's just the way Eyetech have worded it in an attempt to make the price sound more reasonable.
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Posted by Anonymous (82.68.41.196) on 28-Aug-2004 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Seehund):
It seems to be a typo, and a fairly obvious one if you know audio. The part specified is designed for 5.1 channel surround, and the physical connectors will be three 3.5mm stereo mini-jacks, software-configurable as either mic+line+phones or as 6 surround channels.
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.154.44) on 28-Aug-2004 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Don Cox):
> There are probably 500 other possible applications beside those you mention. In some, the cost of the motherboard is not significant

Don't kid yourself. The only viable market for fully equipped mini-itx and flex-atx mainboards is small cubes for home users. The "industrial niche" for general-purpose mini-itx mainboards does not exist. Or do you see any mini-itx and flex-atx mainboards penetrating any such niche? I don't. When I see "industrial" solutions based on PPC, they are always custom-designed and not based on an all-purpose mainboard. A good example is the DreamBox: a PPC-based digital STB running Linux: a cheap PPC CPU, digital tuner, case, PSU, OS, just enough memory. All for 299 EUR. Because it's built to order and not over-spec'ed.
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 28-Aug-2004 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Don Cox):
Don: I Have been designing and making industrial type embedded 68K and PPC boards for last 5 years ... And I can tell you this one don't sell with price like that. It does not have OS support (Qnx + Linux minimum) nor does it offer enough necessary HW-goodies for Industry use.

It could be used as an (overexpensive) Web-box,... But OS4+utilities ain't ready for that.
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Posted by Anonymous (80.58.2.236) on 28-Aug-2004 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You and the KMOS joke for not pay to certain people, KMOS inc. is the same thing but with other name for evading legal issues. All time making bad techniques, saying FUD, selling crap...
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Posted by Anonymous (80.58.2.236) on 28-Aug-2004 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=PC7447A.html

We have one...
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Posted by Martin Wollert (84.129.12.173) on 28-Aug-2004 17:47 GMT
what does this "sales tax" means ? is that the profit the dealer grabs ?
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Posted by Bernie Meyer (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Olegil):
Don't count on the easy conectivity of PC/104 --- the Eyetech document states "PCI 104", which apparently was standardized 9 months ago and is, quote, "a PCI-only architecture that accommodates the advances of PCI devices in a small rugged form factor"
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Posted by Bernie Meyer (Registered user) on 28-Aug-2004 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Don Cox):
In a lot of those embedded or semi-embedded applications, onboard LVDS or TTL LCD interfaces are essential --- and I do not recall those being mentioned in the description.As an industrial customer, you are unlikely to be looking for a completely solid-state device, only to then hook it up to a vacuum tube made from glass.Small motherboards with integrated video, memory and flash-connectivity are great. The company I am working for has a number of PC/104 boards driving around in ticketmachines in busses, and a whole bunch of mini-ITX boards hanging around in tram information displays. In both applications, we wouldn't even consider anything that doesn't have (a) fully digital LCD interfaces, and (b) fully working and reliable linux support. Oh, and in the case of the information displays, (c) a fully working and well-documented hardware watchdog --- another thing which I missed in the I-model's feature list.Let's hope it's just the feature list on the website which is incomplete, rather than the boards really lacking those features --- because at *that* price, with no industry-strength OS support, trying to sell the boards will be hard enough even if the basics are there. It will be close to impossible if the boards are lacking essential features.
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Posted by batman (62.101.126.233) on 28-Aug-2004 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
Don't kid yourself. The only viable market for fully equipped mini-itx and flex-atx mainboards is small cubes for home users

Have you ever seen a jacquard type loom or a milling cutter machine? They're so big that putting a PC104 or a mini ITX inside would be indifferent for the producer in saving real estate. Ah, they even have a monitor and the most modern ones includes a network chip for remote control purposes via field buses. So, there are no point in your affermation.
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.131.123) on 28-Aug-2004 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
> Did you read the announcement? It states that current G4s are too hot for those little cases

Since many of those "little cases" (specifically Shuttle-style flex-atx cases) can be used with red-hot Pentiums with much higher thermal design power, I refuse to believe Eyetech on that matter. There are several approaches to cool small cases, most notably heat pipes and an external PSU (Morex). I blieve that no G4 board is made because it would be a hard sell. Imagine 250 EUR on top of the published price for the G3 board.
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.131.123) on 28-Aug-2004 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (batman):
> Have you ever seen a jacquard type loom or a milling cutter machine?

Nope. Maybe you have found a micro-A1 niche ;) Hope those don't need DMA and Linux, would hate to loose a finger in a milling cutter machine. I think any mainboard with MAI technology is better placed in the living room.
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Posted by Anonymous (81.53.128.249) on 28-Aug-2004 18:58 GMT
For evryone information, especially OS4 users

I bought in january the following items from local dealer

Pegasos2 with micro ATX case and PSU
1Ghz 7447 G4 CPU (512kb L2)
512MB RAM DDR400 (crucial)
Voodoo3 3000 AGP (or radeon 7000 if I wanted to)
40GB Hard disk (maxtor)
CDRom drive (plextor)
With MorphOS installed.

Add UPS express delivery and you obtain an amazing total of 905 euros including VAT..

And youd like us tu buy a card with less functionnalities, with an old G3 (last G3 are 750GX) for 800 euros ? ? ?

Alan, stop taking BAF for milk cows, as they risk to find vision back

Ooops, did I mentionned Articia was buggy ??
Two new -A1's models on the way : Comment 48 of 170ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (82.51.125.1) on 28-Aug-2004 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
Ok take you Pag and go away, this is Amiga community :-)
Two new -A1's models on the way : Comment 49 of 170ANN.lu
Posted by pixie (82.154.52.76) on 28-Aug-2004 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
You've been robed, an x86 AROS system costs way less than that and has a better motherboard and a 3Ghz X86 processor.

Black Troll Edge LE Basic
Athlon XP 2000
ASUS Motherboard
128 MB PC2100 (upgradeable)
30 GB Magnetic Hard Drive (upgradeable)
Lite-On CD-ROM 52x (upgradeable)
FoxComm Mid-ATX case
AROS (Am*ga Research OS).
Price: $324.99

@ http://www.blacktroll.com/product/EDGELE
Two new -A1's models on the way : Comment 50 of 170ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (212.158.194.69) on 28-Aug-2004 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
They had an army of 500 owners ready to snap them up to massivly improve on their everyday sytem.

Now it`s a justify this to sit alongside my pc with emulator.

It will take more money to get a system so the final cost is going to be higher.

Also what was cool 5 years ago is dated now.

Just imagine listening to someone saying "I just got a G3 with 256 meg"
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