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Pegasos 2 G4 in stock at https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php Don't miss it !! :)
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Posted by Rafo (213.41.189.2) on 28-Aug-2004 21:25 GMT
Looks like somebody did.
6 hours and no comment yet.
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Posted by drHirudo (83.148.75.11) on 29-Aug-2004 02:06 GMT
I'd guess this topic isn't hot enough.
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 29-Aug-2004 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Rafo):
What there is to comment. Expect that I hope Genesi is able to deliver with decent schedule this time.
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Posted by Johan (213.112.194.117) on 29-Aug-2004 07:17 GMT
500 euro for a peg2 with a g4, or 600 euro for a amigaone with a g3... all the choices ;D
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan):
$12,000 for a Hyundai Elantra or $36,000 for a Chevy Corvette. Choices, choices... ;-)

Just because you like spam sandwitches you should knock those of us who prefer a t-bone steak. :-)
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Posted by Anonymous (81.50.172.234) on 29-Aug-2004 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
Sure, but if we compare these computer to cars it would be:

$36,000 for a second hand Fiat Uno (without brakes) aka AOne or $12,000 for a Chevy Corvette (with brakes) aka Peg II.
Choice...
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 7 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom (193.11.251.131) on 29-Aug-2004 08:25 GMT
Nah, it's more like the A1 has a defective engine. If you drive too
fast it probably won't blow up, but you never know. Brakes are hardly
the problem. ;-)
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 8 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert (213.112.194.117) on 29-Aug-2004 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
"Just because you like spam sandwitches you should knock those of us who prefer a t-bone steak. :-)"

I'm vegan... and not stupid as those who buys crap hardware for 4 times the price it should be.
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 09:21 GMT
You really should add a title to your news items...
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 10 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan):
Buying a Peg2 or an A1.... Both are "stupid" when it comes to what they can do, what they cost, and what's available for them, both are hobby machines who might find a niche to thrive on.

There's only one reason why you'd consider buying a peg or an A1 as a home machine, that's if you're into Amiga's, and only one of those boards is able to run AOS4 and only one is able to run MOS....

Take your pick, enjoy your machines, but be realistic
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.128.192) on 29-Aug-2004 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Amon_Re):
> There's only one reason why you'd consider buying a peg or an A1 as a home machine, that's if you're into Amiga's

Not really, many of the Pegasos 2 (these days) are not sold to Amiga users anymore. Some buy a Pegasos 2 just because it's a reasonably good PPC mainboard. Not only for AmigaOS but for MacOS, for Linux, as testbed for embedded development, whatever.
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.128.192) on 29-Aug-2004 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
> Not only for AmigaOS but for

Ooops, MorphOS, of course ;)
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 13 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
I was talking about *us*, the sad tossers who read ann.lu :P
Genesi seems to be getting into a niche, and hopefully for them, it'll sustain them.
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 29-Aug-2004 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan):
"500 euro for a peg2 with a g4, or 600 euro for a amigaone with a g3... all the choices ;D"

Pegasos2, an almost MiniITX format motherboard (it is only a few centimeters higher to make room for the AGP and extra PCI slots), with a real fast Northbridge that actually works, cheap and easy to find DDR memory, a fast G4 processor running 25% faster than the A1 G3 (not bringing the Altivec advantages into the calculation), INCLUDING MorphOS AND many of the Linux distributions out there = 500 Euro (plus a cheap gfx card). Available now.

MiniA1-I motherboard (which is the closest match to the Pegasos featurewise) is almost as big as the Pegasos, has a few high speed data standards on board, but that doesn't matter much when the data is fed through the Articia in the end (theoretical numbers may good for marketing though). Limited expandability, expensive and rare to finde memory, No OS running on it, No Linux for serious usage, a G3 only with no possibility of using G4 (G4 on the Articia may be acceptable to Amiga Nerds, but its unacceptable for serious applications (Industrial users)) = 600 Euro, OH, You want the OS too, that ends up in 700 Euros including OS4. Available ... sometime in the future ... perhaps.

The Mini A1 I is much worse off compared to the Pegasos when it comes to performance, specifications and expandability. It is also 200 Euros more expensive. The OS (OS4) is far behind MorphOS, possibly a couple of years. That wont stop a few Amiga nerds from bying it though, but I wonder how they will pull it off with large scale Industrial customers, when the MiniITX boards from VIA and the Flex ATX boards from several manufacturers are so much cheaper and so much better. It will be interesting ...
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Posted by pixie (82.154.41.197) on 29-Aug-2004 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert):
As if vegans doesn't buy overpriced food... ah!
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Eyetech isn't suicidal, if they are going to build these they have something up their sleaves.

Let's face it, these are, for as far as i know, the only available Mini ITX ppc mobo's out there, it might be expensive, it might be worse then a pegasos 2 in your eyes, but for the PPC movement, any new hardware is welcome hardware.

As for linux, let's see what happens in Octobre first, who knows, maybe Eyetech has a bunch of coders wacking away at it at this very moment.
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (pixie):
I could never live like a vegitarian... no steak?! ^^
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Posted by Ronald St-Maurice (65.94.248.44) on 29-Aug-2004 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Amon_Re):
You meant to say... No taste. ^_^

lol

There are 2 Burgers on the grill right now. :P
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Hey, there are good vegitarian dishes too, but i mean, no steak?!? :P
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Posted by coldfire (162.39.222.79) on 29-Aug-2004 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Amon_Re):
there is no such thing as a good vegetarian dish.

coldfire
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Posted by Ronald St-Maurice (65.94.248.44) on 29-Aug-2004 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Amon_Re):
Good vegetarian dishes? By that you mean Salads? lol

Btw those burgers where very tasty. Yum Yum. :P
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Ronald St-Maurice):
I had a tourne-dos this afternoon with french fries & muchrooms... hmmmm :P
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Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 29-Aug-2004 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amon_Re):
But, non-working PPC hardware, even MiniITX, will not promote the PowerPC platforms...

Bye
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Non working eh? Try switching it on first :P
Or atleast till the bloody things are on sale
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 25 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 29-Aug-2004 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amon_Re):
"but for the PPC movement, any new hardware is welcome hardware."

It depends on the Northbridge man, it depends on the Northbridge. Really, it DOES ....
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 29-Aug-2004 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
"But, non-working PPC hardware, even MiniITX, will not promote the PowerPC platforms..."

Exactly. It might also be counter-productive, and it might even kick back on ALL non-Mac PPC hardware by destroying its reputation, which will make us "innocents" suffer from this too ...
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 29-Aug-2004 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
That scenario of yours is nice, but maybe you should wait till the boards are actually available? And as for reputations..... name me one company involved in this community with a clean rep, i dare you :P

Genesi is carving their niche, it looks like Eyetech is carving theirs or are trying to, and all you lot do is whine about the prices...

Sure, it'd be nice if the Pegasos 2 & µA1 were cheap (bucks/performance wise they both suffer compared to Mac & x86) but we're not there yet, this won't happen over night neighter, lets be realistic for a minute ok?

As for those who are bitching about the ArticiaS... Eyetech isn't suicidal, if the chip were as bad as some claim, they'd have dropped the whole project by now.

Yes, it probably has it quirks, but so does via chips for that matter
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 28 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 29-Aug-2004 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Amon_Re):
"name me one company involved in this community with a clean rep, i dare you :P"

But I did not speak about companies, I was talking about HARDWARE. Difference!

"Eyetech isn't suicidal, if the chip were as bad as some claim, they'd have dropped the whole project by now."

Now THAT would have been suicide, since that one is all they have! It's the only card they have to play, and early on they put everything (including their reputation) on that single card by proclaiming this is the only possible path for the new "Amiga".

They will not sell the "professional" version of the board with G4, which is interesting. They claim it to be because of heat, but the 7447 and the 7447A are COOLER than the GX, AND it has Altivec. 1.3GHz Mac laptops does not even start the fan when normal web surfing, totally passive.

We all know that the Articia and G4 CPU's are not 100% buddies. If you are lucky you may find a combination that work well enough in the eyes of an Amiga Nerd, but not for serious, professional usage.

"Yes, it probably has it quirks, but so does via chips for that matter"

Northbridges are kind of essential.
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Posted by Wayne Hunt (Registered user) on 30-Aug-2004 00:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
> $12,000 for a Hyundai Elantra or $36,000 for a Chevy Corvette.

Let's be realistic.

It's more like $32,000 for a 2003 blue VW Beetle with a sunroof and CD player or $32000 for a 2003 red VW Beetle convertible with no stereo. Both are pretty and neat. Both are a underpowered and have outdated technology. Both have quality and availability issues. Both are slower than cheaper, more available vehicles, and neither have readily available generic replacement parts.

So, in the end, regardless of which "$32000 VW Beetle" you choose, I'll stick with my "$20000 Honda Accord".
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Posted by i'm not here (165.76.182.209) on 30-Aug-2004 03:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Wayne Hunt):
let's be realistic,
pegacrap sux0rz.
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 31 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 30-Aug-2004 04:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (i'm not here):
If you repeat it long enough, we may start even believing in it. Encore, encore!
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 30-Aug-2004 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Wayne Hunt):
LOL. Fair enough... I can't really argue with that.
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 33 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert (213.112.194.117) on 30-Aug-2004 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
I already know all of that, I wasn't considering an AmigaONE.
And to those who said neither the peg was affordable, I don't own one, yet, so I guess I have come to the same conclusion, but if only I had a little extra cash over I would get it anyway.
"The OS (OS4) is far behind MorphOS, possibly a couple of years."
However, I doubt this part. Earlier I didn't belived in a new AmigaOS. Nowadays I suppose it actually will be released, and in a better version than the said to be AmigaOS4.0 version. I might actually be more complete than MorphOS.

"As if vegans doesn't buy overpriced food... ah!"
900g beans, 12.50 sek.
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 34 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.133.147.44) on 30-Aug-2004 07:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
> Pegasos2, an almost MiniITX format motherboard (it is only a few centimeters higher)

A Pegasos 2 (23x17) is not mini-itx (17x17) format, it's micto-atx. It's 35% larger, you have to learn to multiply those centimeters ;) And "only a few centimeters higher" is not exactly true because it's unfortunately many centimeters higher. That can give you a headache with certain small micro-atx cases. The CPU card also makes it impossible to mount a big, passive heatsink because the heatsink would damage the fragile card.
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Posted by Anonymous (195.212.190.98) on 30-Aug-2004 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Rafo):
>6 hours and no comment yet.

genesi is dead
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Posted by Chain|Q (62.77.194.93) on 30-Aug-2004 08:30 GMT
"The CPU card also makes it impossible to mount a big, passive heatsink because the heatsink would damage the fragile card."

Wrong. I'm running my Peg2-G4/1Ghz with passive cooling, using a Zalman northbridge cooler. (http://www.tweakpc.de/cooling/tests/zalman_northbridge/northbridge.htm)

_No hacks_ was needed to install this cooler, because the CPU card has the required mounting holes. Runs well since months, and silent. :)
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.141.29) on 30-Aug-2004 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Chain|Q):
> Wrong. I'm running my Peg2-G4/1Ghz with passive cooling, using a Zalman northbridge cooler.

That is not what I meant with big passive heatsink though, it's a tiny Northbridge heatsink (comparatively speaking, vs the 600g CPU heatsink class). I had a nearly identical Zalman heatsink on an EPIA 800. Is was spec'ed by the manufacturer for up to 5W and not recommended to be used without fan on any EPIA board. I don't know what the thermal design power of your G4 is but this heatsink would have me worried ;)
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Posted by Chain|Q (62.77.194.93) on 30-Aug-2004 09:12 GMT
"That is not what I meant with big passive heatsink though, it's a tiny Northbridge heatsink (comparatively speaking, vs the 600g CPU heatsink class)."

That's a big passive heatsink compared to the one the G3/600 CPU card has, and also a huge one compared to the one the G4 card has without the fan. :) BTW, of course it requires good air-flow in the house, as every passive cooler, but that's no problem in my case. You can touch the cooler, as long as you want, it will not burn your hands, and this was in the hottest summer... So i'm pretty sure my CPU will not burn down, at least not because of this. :) Also, believe me, it's not a coincidence that the CPU card has mounting holes for a standard northbridge cooler...
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.129.78) on 30-Aug-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Chain|Q):
> That's a big passive heatsink compared to the one the G3/600 CPU card has

I'm not a fan of those heatsinks: The Zalman NB heatsinks are certainly big in size (compared to other NB coolers) but not big in surface, they have rather stubby fins.

> You can touch the cooler, as long as you want, it will not burn your hands, and this was in the hottest summer... So i'm pretty sure my CPU will not burn down

Ok, if you say so. Just make sure you have tested under load after a 2h Doom game and not an idle CPU. That can make quite a difference.
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Posted by gary_c (218.45.84.252) on 30-Aug-2004 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
>6 hours and no comment yet.

genesi is dead


Uh sorry, but you've got that brain death monitor installed backwards. ;-)

-- gary_c
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Posted by Anonymous (195.212.190.98) on 30-Aug-2004 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (gary_c):
>>>6 hours and no comment yet.

>>genesi is dead

>Uh sorry, but you've got that brain death monitor installed backwards. ;-)

>-- gary_c

Sure their dead....wait some months!
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Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 30-Aug-2004 10:47 GMT
It seems Peg2 is no longer sold via KDH, why is that?
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Posted by Anonymous (195.212.190.98) on 30-Aug-2004 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (priest):
>It seems Peg2 is no longer sold via KDH, why is that?

because genesi is dying;)

hehe!
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.142.109) on 30-Aug-2004 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (priest):
> Sure their dead....wait some months!

What would be the cause of death? Too much money from Freescale, acute shock?
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 30-Aug-2004 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert):
In God's name, open a window! :P
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 30-Aug-2004 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
LOL! :P That WAS funny :P
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Posted by Anonymous (195.212.190.98) on 30-Aug-2004 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
>What would be the cause of death? Too much money from Freescale, acute shock?

The main one is bbrv lol

I just suggest you this thing:

Find a guy who knows financial markets. Ask him to track down Genesi.

He will answer you just after some minutes that this is a compagny that hides some others, that there are investors in this compagny, and the way the compagny has been built means this is something like a "trust", a pool of investors that are searching short term money and not building a long term compagny. Search how many compagnies bbrv had managed to keep alive more than some years.

But now ok, i'm not divined, I can predict when it will close, but I just predict this is soon.
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Posted by Anonymous (81.224.161.149) on 30-Aug-2004 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
Yeh ,thay luusers whill go dawn soooon!!
I think bbrv is ivil, becose hi wants to take
over the amjga communyti, foolign avery one
hi meets to think is is the saivor, hah!!
only luuusers can fall for that!
Pegusus sux!!! BBRV suxx too !!
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 49 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (81.224.161.149) on 30-Aug-2004 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
I forgot the :)

:)))
Past news, rumours and comments archived : Comment 50 of 93ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (195.212.190.98) on 30-Aug-2004 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
1) Never stated pegasos suks.
2) never pretended to tell what intentions does bbrv have regarding the amiga community.
3) have just stated about the future of Genesi and why the compagny won't go further. Don't trust me? just try to find what have be done prior to Genesi.

But it's your choice to interpret other's thoughts and do make a sum up that isn't the original idea (at all).

You suk
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