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Posted on 02-Sep-2004 16:26 GMT by Mikey_C281 comments
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Amigaworld.net is currently down due to hard drive failure.

Everything possible is being done to return the site to normal, however we are unable to give an ETA at this time. In the meantime, the Amigaworld IRC network continues to function via the remaining US and European Amigaworld Servers

They are:-
UK.Amigaworld.Net
US2.Amigaworld.Net
NO.Amigaworld.Net

Updates will continue to be posted here as and when we know.

Amigaworld.net down : Comment 1 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor (81.156.10.85) on 02-Sep-2004 14:48 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

I come home from work and go to get my fix.... AND..

Its down ..GONE ... SHIVERS !!
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Posted by The_Editor (81.156.10.85) on 02-Sep-2004 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (The_Editor):
Must be to do with the GPL !! ;-p
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Posted by NoBeForMe (152.78.64.177) on 02-Sep-2004 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (The_Editor):
You miss AmigaWorld.net? OK...


Your attitude needs re-adjustment. 30 day lock on your account until you understand the proper way to behave on ANN. This thread is now locked. Further heresy will not be tolerated. You have been warned.


Better now?
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Posted by Darth_X (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 15:02 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about the failure of amigaworld.net, good luck on your next website! :)
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Posted by Mikey C (81.130.190.38) on 02-Sep-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (NoBeForMe):
Congrats!

Here we were on the remaining Amigaworld IRC servers wondering how long it would be before some idiot flamed.

Someone suggested within 5 mins of Outcast's post. And you blooming well did it!
- Bah! you have cost us all a fortune on that wager!!

Now, we all owe coder our shirts! Happy now? :P

Mikey C
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Posted by Wayne Dresing, PhD (216.127.82.99) on 02-Sep-2004 15:20 GMT
@Mikey_C

If you guys need anything just drop me line. (If you do not have my current email address I can PM you)

T-shirts? I have a few boxes of these darned things round the ranch, want me to send you some?
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 7 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by agima (168.143.113.138) on 02-Sep-2004 15:30 GMT
T-Shirts????


You know nothing! :P
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Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 02-Sep-2004 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (agima):
That Agima post is an imposter...

Hope Amigaworld.net is back up soon!
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 16:03 GMT
Hope you guys have a recent backup, HD failures are annoying..
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Posted by Christophe Decanini (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Agima):
Just register your nickname with Christian.
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Posted by Micky_G (65.110.6.34) on 02-Sep-2004 16:08 GMT
Some humour to pass the time,


AmigaOne advertising, Australian style:
http://prodtn.cafepress.com/8/10773278_F_tn.jpg
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Posted by Darth_X (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Agima):
Register soon before the other 'Agima' registers, the one from the UK! I assume your the one from Beaverton Oregon? Or is it the other way around?
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Posted by DaveyD (62.252.192.4) on 02-Sep-2004 16:14 GMT
Update

The server harddrive developed lots of damaged blocks, this caused the server to crash and has corruped lots of data, luckily most of these corruped data files are system files and not website or database files.

The OS has been booted up in Recovery mode and we are currently tar'ing hda3 (18GB) to a remote location using an ssh tunnel (thanks Sibbi). This will take serveral hours.

Once that is done support will replace and partition a new harddrive with the OS installed. Then we can restore hda3 to the new harddrive, and if all goes well we will be back online tomorrow.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 14 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 02-Sep-2004 16:18 GMT
@ Mikey C

Please get that site up and running fast, so no more of your users escapes over the fences to come out here in the real world. They can soil the atmosphere pretty quick, like Toaks just made a great example of in his little meaningless troll-raid some minutes ago (that now seems to be removed, thankfully).
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 02-Sep-2004 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (DaveyD):
"The server harddrive developed lots of damaged blocks, this caused the server to crash and has corruped lots of data"

Your server doesn't happen to be an AmigaOne? ;-P
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 16 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (217.151.161.24) on 02-Sep-2004 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Yes because harddrive failure never occur on other platforms.....
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.133.6) on 02-Sep-2004 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mikey C):
> Now, we all owe coder our shirts!

I'd assume that by now, every Amiga user is an expert with Delay The Shirt tactics (available in printed form at Amazon.com, Delay The Shirt for Dummies, by Fleecy, McEwen & Hare)
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza (80.202.210.35) on 02-Sep-2004 16:54 GMT
Seems ANN.lu is having problems with harddisk too, a whole thread just disappeared from the site, ;)
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
What are you talking about? There are no deleted posts in this thread (at time of writing).
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 20 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Nicolas Mendoza):
eh?

Damn, i so need to get rid of my life & read ann.lu 24/7 :P
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 21 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza (80.202.210.35) on 02-Sep-2004 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Amon_Re):
Not this thread another thread about morphos ixemul and gpl.
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Nicolas Mendoza):
I can only imagine.... *sigh*
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Posted by Christian Kemp (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Nicolas Mendoza):
... which was pure troll bait, and on review I don't even immediately see (or care) who it was trolling for, or against.

Just because ANN has an a public submission queue doesn't mean that everything that gets posted (and maybe is seen by a few people) needs to stay there.

Maybe Christophe sees this and can give a specific reason why he moderated the post, but frankly, most often we don't really need to justify ourselves because a lot of the crap that we end up removing is so low in value that it would be futile to spend any more time to explain a decision that should/would be obvious to almost anyone.

Also, just as a note, sometimes submissions might remain for a few hours to see if any intelligent comments pop up about it, and if there's just the usual trollfest, it's sometimes better to just remove everything altogether. Christophe is probably more prone to do this than I am, even though I should probably be stricter about it too.
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Christian Kemp):
Yea, we need you to have a tight grip on the trolls ^^
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Posted by Christophe Decanini (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Christian Kemp):
I removed the thread because:
- The intent was to flame / troll / etc
- The author of the thread is one of these guys who make critics about ANN quality while contributing to low quality while changing his nick to post here.
- Such posts have to be limited for everyone productivity and to avoid deteriorating the situation.
- The subject of the post has already been discussed in the previous thread and could be discussed there (if done the right way). No need to have the 10 next threads about presumed GPL violations.

I did not removed the original Amidog thread because I was not the one moderating it to forum. When I found it a large number of comments were made and I thought Amidog would answer sooner than he did.
My name is on the Amidog thread because I removed parts such as "Shame on you Amidog". I would certainly have deleted the Amidog thread anyway if I would have found it unmoderated and sooner than I did.

I have deleted / moderated a large number of bad posts / comments in these last days. It looks that troublemaker are back from vacation after the relative quiet summer we got on ANN.

At the end, i'm quite bored and asked Christian if we could disable anonymous posting for selectable threads.
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Christophe Decanini):
At the end, i'm quite bored and asked Christian if we could disable anonymous posting for selectable threads.

YES! ^^
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 27 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Amon_Re):
And just for you, fabio and samface have a feature that limits a single user to 5 comments per thread. Alternatively Christian can charge you for bandwith everytime one of your comments is loaded ;)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 28 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE (82.40.24.92) on 02-Sep-2004 18:22 GMT
Before whining about why AmigaWorld is attacked here every time it's mentioned, ask yourself why. Would the same abuse appear if it was Amiga.org, Moobunny, MorphZone or even Genesi's site? Even Amiga.com doesn't incur the same amount of abuse when it goes down. All of these have political values, and haters. None takes quite as much flak.

Now, is that because of an aggressive hate campaign by 'blue trolls'? Or because of the character and actions of certain moderators on AW? Why is AmigaWorld so hated? It wouldn't be anything to do with the fact that it has people just as bad as the blue trolls here moderating it, would it?

Ask yourself that, before trying to get people wiped out of threads. That just stinks of censorship. A bit like ...
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 29 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza (80.202.210.35) on 02-Sep-2004 18:41 GMT
Riiiiight. So now we know it's right to crucify individuals like Mr. Roslund and Mr. Hauser, but when someone criticizes an entire camp of developers with the exact same rhetorics that's suddenly inappropriate.

Cristophe: Well, at least you "just saved us guys some time" ;)

I believe the correct term for this behaviour is hypocrisy.

Oh well, sorry for the Offtopicness of these posts. I just did a joke on the incosistency. If you want to discuss further, feel free to send me an email.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 30 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (XraalE):
Disagreement, even dislike - sure.
But hate?

When someone can muster *hate* for something as trivial as a website covering a certain flavour of an obscure computer platform ...

... then that someone needs something better to do with his or her life. Like stepping outside and breathe some fresh air.

(and yes, I find it equally ridiculous when such emotions are aimed at the other "camps" in the market.)

Hope AW.net comes back soon. It's a great place to go for Amiga news. Alongside A.org, ANN, amiga.de and the many other sites big and small made by hard working Amiga enthusiasts.

.
SlimJim
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Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret (80.203.17.222) on 02-Sep-2004 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Nicolas Mendoza):
I agree that it was silly to remove that thread .. not because the poster had a point (because he didn't (just seemed like trolling to get "even" with us evil "blues" who apparently were to blame for AmiDog's non-compliance)), but because the thread itself was a fine demonstration of the state of mind of people like this, and also because it debunked the silly accusations...


- CISC
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 32 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines (69.48.19.155) on 02-Sep-2004 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (XraalE):
> Now, is that because of an aggressive hate campaign by 'blue trolls'?

Er, well...yes. I stayed away from AW.net for a long time because of its reputation, but when I finally did visit, I found that generally it's an interesting and decent site that really doesn't deserve to be slammed. I can only think that some of the more extreme and reality-challenged blue trolls just can't stand to see a nice active site devoted to something they've decided to hate.
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Posted by XraalE (82.40.24.92) on 02-Sep-2004 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (ehaines):
>I can only think that some of the more extreme and reality-challenged
>blue trolls just can't stand to see a nice active site devoted to
>something they've decided to hate.

To make a statement like that you must understand why they hate it (and no, it's not really just "them and us" syndrome, or they'd hate other OS4 sites too. And it isn't just blue trolls who hate AW, believe it or not.). MorphZone is a site just like AW.net in its aims and membership, but isn't hated quite as much.

AW is hated for two major reasons:

1) It's unerring, if accidental, ability to spread disinformation while often giving people no real chance to speak out against it;
2) The agressively biased, political, and near-megalomaniac personalities of at least four of its moderators.

These are also the reasons why other solution-centric sites like os4depot and MorphZone aren't attacked anywhere near as much. Any site with a moderator who thinks a signature link leading to an Open PPC site is "brainwashing", or will ban people on the basis of what they say on other sites, is predestined to be hated, no matter how muddied the political waters become. And of course, fully deserving of it.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 34 of 281ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults
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In reply to Comment 34 (Terry):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Reply to insult
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Posted by Anonymous (211.250.81.252) on 02-Sep-2004 19:45 GMT
To be accepted on AmigaWorld you have to believe the Amiga is the best in the world and all Amiga companies are innocent victims targeted by Bill Buck and MorphOS users.

That website will always be attacked because the fools behind it have made it in to a religious type werbsite, who have took freedom of speech away from the users, on a positive note though all the cancer in this community can be found in one place (AW) most of the time.
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Posted by Lando (82.69.46.251) on 02-Sep-2004 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (ehaines):
"I can only think that some of the more extreme and reality-challenged blue trolls just can't stand to see a nice active site devoted to something they've decided to hate."

What exactly is the site devoted to? What exactly is it that these "extreme and reality-challenged blue trolls" hate so much?

The Amiga?

Hardly. Pretty much all of them have owned and used Amigas for many years, and most still use them regularly and enjoy them.

So, what is it exactly?
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In reply to Comment 35 (Wayne Hunt):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults
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In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Reply to insult
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Posted by Wayne Hunt (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 19:52 GMT
Sorry to see you guys going through technical problems. Let me know if I can be of any help.

Wayne
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Posted by About Time. (219.126.77.10) on 02-Sep-2004 19:56 GMT
This is the best news i have heared all day.

Thank you Amigaworld.
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Posted by Kay (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 19:56 GMT
I hope they get AmigaWorld up ASAP, I feel like I've got nowhere to go now...Not that the atmosphere here isn't as pleasant and constructive as always. :-)Kay
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Posted by Seer (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Hm.. We came so far and still it's all the same.. Camp vs Camp, anoms against every website...
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Posted by AmigaWorld visiter (203.140.45.46) on 02-Sep-2004 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Kay):
Here is a few lines of Amiga praise to make you feel more at ease.

Amigaone is a fair priced and wonderful piece of equipment.

Amiga OS4 will destroy Windows and Microsoft in years to come.

Eyetech sells hardware at very good prices, much cheaper than pc stores.

Amiga Inc have been the strengh behind A1 and AOS4, they are lovely guys.

Ibrowse is the best web browser on the planet, forget junk like Opera and Firefox.

Hyperion port the best games on the planet, why play shit like Doom 3 when Quake 2 runs on the Amiga and is the best in the whole world.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 45 of 281ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults
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Posted by Mikey C (80.44.220.35) on 02-Sep-2004 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Wayne Hunt):
Thank you Wayne, that really is very kind of you.

Mikey C
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 47 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Seer (Registered user) on 02-Sep-2004 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmigaWorld visiter):
Yeah.. People who post on amigaworld.net really believe all that.

Did you know that the price of the microA1 was questioned by a lot of regulars there ?
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 48 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey (80.189.23.66) on 02-Sep-2004 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (XraalE):
>Even Amiga.com doesn't incur the same amount of abuse when it goes down.

But when Amiga.com goes down, what are the chances that there`s someone looking at it to notice the difference?

Anyway, hope the Amigaworld.net guys have an easy time of bringing it back up again.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 49 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by smithy (62.31.166.88) on 02-Sep-2004 20:34 GMT
Let's hope the joke section (Ask Fleecy) isn't lost.
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Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Profanity
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