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Amigaworld.net is currently down due to hard drive failure.

Everything possible is being done to return the site to normal, however we are unable to give an ETA at this time. In the meantime, the Amigaworld IRC network continues to function via the remaining US and European Amigaworld Servers

They are:-
UK.Amigaworld.Net
US2.Amigaworld.Net
NO.Amigaworld.Net

Updates will continue to be posted here as and when we know.

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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Anonymous):
I recommend raincoats. There are some nifty Navy blue coloured ones (pun fully intended) that can be found at: http://www.rainmac.com/gents/genber.htm

:)
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Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Anonymous):
It's childish to dislike having your comments change to reflect a corporate agenda?? Are you crazy!?

The one who did have his topic changed will no probably longer come back to the site, ammunition is given to AWN haters, and AWN's bad reputation will endure, despite their apparent attempts to do something about it not so long ago. Now, how is any of this childish and not serious?
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Posted by Kay on 03-Sep-2004 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (pixie):
Just remember to add something along the lines of "AmigaOS4 is the real NG MorphOS as I see it". :-þ

Kay
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Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (IanS):
Like I said, I'm posted links. Whenever something particularly outrageous happens, news of it spreads across the IRC networks like wildfire. And generally, quite a lot of people visit just 'for a laugh' and some of the technical or marketing ignorance shown there. That's rather sad.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 205 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (XraalE):
All depends on your agenda. If you dislike amigaworld.net, and you know that it's so biased and has such a corporate agenda, why did you come there and post in the first place? Do you really think that people on amigaworld.net never visit any other amiga sites?

How hard do you think it is to track a user back to his ANN id and then assume (and not completely without merit) that he's out to cause trouble?

There was a long and winded debate about the new micro-A1, not all of it positive, why didn't you just join that and post your comments there?

Personally I think you're one of those people that likes to go, get moderated and then return to whereever you came from and complain about it.
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Posted by IanS on 03-Sep-2004 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (XraalE):
What I find sad is people who slate a website when they don't actually use it themselves, and base their "complete" opinions (which they then try to pass off as the truth) on a small fraction of postings - most of which are interpreted with a large dollop of paranoia too.

That's not just sad - it's pathetic, childish and idiotic. But then I've come to expect nothing less from you Kenny.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Anonymous):
No it has nothing to do with anything like that.

It's all about it that some people do not accept that there is OS4, AmigaOne, hyperion, those Amigans who like OS4 more than OS4 OR AmigaWorld.net.

Those people think that AmigaWorld.net is good target to attack and hate, because guys there are mostly those who want OS4 and AmigaOne. Because it'äs not MophOS site. Most of the guys in the AmigaWorld.net do not hate MOS or Pegasos. So attitude like that is stupid and childlish.

This thread is a giood proof of what I said.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 208 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Anonymous):
> All depends on your agenda. If you dislike amigaworld.net, and you know
> that it's so biased and has such a corporate agenda, why did you come
> there and post in the first place?

I don't. That doesn't prevent me taking offence at posts there though.

> Do you really think that people on amigaworld.net never visit any other
> amiga sites?

That seems to be how things are going, by what I've read here.

> How hard do you think it is to track a user back to his ANN id and then
> assume (and not completely without merit) that he's out to cause trouble?

You mean, you really think banning someone from AWN from what they've said in other sites is justified? If you do, I really think you're on the slipperly slope to elitism. AWN does not advertise itself as a puritans-only club, and should not pursue that image. What members say on other sites is absolutely no business of AWN moderators.

> There was a long and winded debate about the new micro-A1, not all of it > positive, why didn't you just join that and post your comments there?

I'm banned, despite never having made any offensive posts there, and only 2 posts over a period of 3 years. No reason for the ban was ever given.

> Personally I think you're one of those people that likes to go, get
> moderated and then return to whereever you came from and complain about
> it.

Then personally, you are wrong.
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Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (IanS):
And being sad, pathetic and idiotic is what I've come to understand of you, Ian.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (XraalE):
If people have an obvious strong opinion on a subject and have expressed them a number of times, is there any reason to think that they would suddenly change their minds when posting on amigaworld.net?

With the amount of times the infamous Articia bug/feature/workaround/whatever has been discussed here, do you really thing they have anything beneficial to say that hasn't been said before?

If for one welcome that flame wars are stopped before they ever happened. Sometimes innocent people get stomped on in that process. I dunno why you were banned, but I might be able to find out if you're interested :)
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Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (Anonymous):
> If people have an obvious strong opinion on a subject and have expressed
> them a number of times, is there any reason to think that they would
> suddenly change their minds when posting on amigaworld.net?

I don't care about opinions. I care about obvious wrongs being concocted as fact and dragging the Amiga (and everyone else) down with it. Funny that rashes of silly postings on /. come from AmigaWorld regulars.

> If for one welcome that flame wars are stopped before they ever happened. > Sometimes innocent people get stomped on in that process. I dunno why you
> were banned, but I might be able to find out if you're interested :)

Oh save it, a site with the likes of Alkemyst and L8-X (who seem to have enjoyed spoofing as other people and posting obscene messages on ANN over the years, judging by my records), Mikey "We don't want your type around here, non-true-Amigan" C and of course the infamous Bouma, is not the kind of site where I could ever hold my temper back enough to stay unbanned. I could have before, but not now. I'm just happy none of these lamers can now spoof as me.
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Posted by IanS on 03-Sep-2004 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 209 (XraalE):
Really Kenny, with that university education of yours I would have thought you could do better than that! How about you actually address some of my points:

a) Why do you slate a website that you admit yourself you don't use it regularly enough to make a judgement?

b) Why do you base your entire opinion of the site on postings that are deliberately used to drum up negative attention?

c) Why do you try and pass off your opinion as the truth, when you've said yourself you only see the posts that people point you to?

Kind regards,
Ian
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Posted by IanS on 03-Sep-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (XraalE):
who seem to have enjoyed spoofing as other people and posting obscene messages on ANN over the years, judging by my records

Could I see those records please? Because if you can't prove what you've just said then I'd say it's bordering on libelous...
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 214 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Kay on 03-Sep-2004 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (XraalE):
I respect your decision to switch to the blue side. It WAS a long wait, and MOS/Peg seems to be a nice system. I don't know who said it was a "crap, bad copy of AmigaOS", but at least I don't think that is the attitude among the majority of reds.

As for the blue trolls not being answered on AWN, I think that is a good policy. I have tried reasoning with trolls, I've seen more patient and eloquent people try reasoning with trolls, and it never seems to amount to more than a lot of anger and wasted time. Excluding them is one of the things which keep the atmosphere on AWN as it is, I think.

Additionally, I do think you are underestimating the critical sense of the AWN crowd. We are quite capable of seing facts, and criticism against the AmigaOne and the triarchy is not outlawed. I think we would all prefer a lower price tag and working DMA under Linux. An I for one think that "DMA won't work under Linux" is a flaw the triarchy should have admitted at an earlier stage (although, given the atmosphere at the time, I can also see why they did not). But there's really no point in obsessing over it, as some people around here do. It's still the fastest Amiga I've ever had, and with the updates of the OS4 pre-release, it's going to get a lot better (I've seen the latest beta, so I know what I'm talking about).

Anyway, have fun with your Pegasos. :-)

Kay
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Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insult
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Posted by Kay on 03-Sep-2004 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Anonymous):
Fair enough.

Kay
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Posted by Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson on 03-Sep-2004 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (Joe):
Mature and well thought out arguments there.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 218 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (IanS):
> a) Why do you slate a website that you admit yourself you don't use it
> regularly enough to make a judgement?

Define "use". I don't have to log in and post stuff to see stuff there, do I? Why are you streaking off on this pointless tangent?

> b) Why do you base your entire opinion of the site on postings that
> are deliberately used to drum up negative attention?

Those are the ones I see. And they are not generally drummed up by anyone except regulars, not us poor evil blue trolls. For instance, the wonderfully evokive response to a mild question from one of the Fridens, "KISS MY ASS".

> c) Why do you try and pass off your opinion as the truth, when you've
> said yourself you only see the posts that people point you to?

Like G3/800 being faster than G4/1000, you mean? :) If you want to get philisophical about it, nothing can ever be presented as fact, only as opinion with varying degrees of certainty. Let's just say that many of the things that get me annoyed are things with low degrees of certainty being passed off as fact to sell something, or to prevent something else being sold. My, how that latter tactic worked against bPlan back in the PUP/WUP days. :)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 219 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson on 03-Sep-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (XraalE):
Well we've seen those sorts of tactics deployed by both sides of the fence. They're not pretty and they're certainly not smart. Doesn't mean we should fuel the fire by endlessly bickering about it.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 03-Sep-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (IanS):
Ian,
I thing that the file content is perfectly fine and helpfull etc.
What I don't like is the fact that a few people there may pay particularly attention to what some people could say and be cataloged and punished.

I don't consider people such as Gary_C and Fabio as trolls. However they have been moderated there.
Also there was a double standard where some moderators were able to use multiple accounts when users (with a different perspective) where banned for it.
I'm pretty sure that I would have been moderating for example for discussing the articia DMA.
I never registered there because moderators were Mike Bouma and a few flaming people that were causing troubles on Amiga.org.
For me it is a bit if Eva was setting up a site, i would never register.

Note that it has been a while I had absolutely no problem with the AW.NET moderators. My only concern are the AW.NET users playing the clean people while flaming here. You know perfectly what I mean if you have been often on AW.NET irc.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 221 of 281ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: troll
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 222 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson on 03-Sep-2004 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Brian):
Don't think I've ever been referred to as cancer. But thank you for those kind words. Must have taken you some time to come up with that one.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 223 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (Christophe Decanini):
Well said! :-)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 224 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Brian):
May they have cured their currupted data soooon! ;-)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 225 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson on 03-Sep-2004 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 224 (Anonymous):
Annoying to have people with different opinions to yourself isn't it. :)

Perhaps you'd like us moderated.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 226 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by drHirudo on 03-Sep-2004 16:26 GMT
Test page of the Apache server appears on AW.net now. I hope it will be online soon, as I have absorbed too many flames on here already.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 227 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Anonymous):
'being used is supplied by the co-lo company as is.' -- ASIS is obvious as not good enough.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 228 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 219 (Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson):
> Well we've seen those sorts of tactics deployed by both sides
> of the fence. They're not pretty and they're certainly not smart.
> Doesn't mean we should fuel the fire by endlessly bickering about it.

And ending the bickering by removing one side of the argument solves what, exactly?
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 229 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 213 (IanS):
I won't reveal the source of my info, no, except to reveal that at least L8-X does most of his trolling with his own nick (on two occassions so obscenely though the comments were removed as spoofing, even though it was his correct IP, haha!) Alkemyst is less easy to track down, although his unique use of certain words leads to very grave suspicions. So I'll have to concede for now, this time I can't prove my statement, and so it becomes nothing.

Oh, but I also found prety good records about you, "Big Red Troll". Weren't you lecturing us at all about using multiple nicks to troll? What a damn hypocrite you are, Ian. A perfect qualification for your moderation role, it seems. And I was so impressed with your defending an innocent user against Bouma's hateful belligerence a few days back, too. Disappointing.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 230 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson on 03-Sep-2004 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (XraalE):
Who said anything about one side?
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 231 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 229 (XraalE):
> And I was so impressed with your defending an innocent user

Funny as you say that. I believe Ian thought Mike made a snipe attack and used *your* wrongpla.net as an example for making snipping comments and then Mike made clear this wasn't the case and so they both just settled with that.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 232 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 230 (Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson):
XraalE often has difficulty expressing his opinions in a polite and non-offensive manner thus on a website with flame-moderation he probably wouldn't be able to tell *his* side of the story. ;-)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 233 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (Anonymous):
Totally irrelevant. I never stated any opinions on AWN at all. Stick to the damn subject, which is:

AmigaWorld bans people by preference, not by behavior.

How Stalinist.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 234 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 230 (Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson):
> Who said anything about one side?

AmigaWorld only permits one side. For example, try starting a polite thread about asking Steffen Häuser why he did so much to publicise a non-existant board called the Brainstormer G3, with which he kept users from buying existing Phase5 PPC hardware (which he also attacked). See how long the thread lasts. :)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 235 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 233 (XraalE):
If you want to stay on-topic for your information the topic is "Amigaworld.net down".
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 236 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (Anonymous):
Yeah, hurrah.

:)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 237 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (XraalE):
If you want to know why not email him? doh!
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 238 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (Anonymous):
Great idea, mail the GPL exploiter himself and expect a plain answer. :)

When has Häusser EVER given a straight answer? :P
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 239 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 238 (XraalE):
Well that's usually the first step ordinary people follow but if you know for sure you would not get a straight answer from him anyhow why would you bother creating a new thread dedicated to it? How constructive is that?

All I see is your unproven allegations stated as if they were facts.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 240 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Anonymous):
And I see that you have the ability to challenge them here. Isn't it nice?
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 241 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson on 03-Sep-2004 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (XraalE):
Isn't that the whole point of making claims like this? So someone responds to them? That's how flame wars start :)
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Posted by XraalE on 03-Sep-2004 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 241 (Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson):
If you don't ask questions, how is it possible ever to get answers? Sometimes you have to get into someone's face to prove a point. Sometimes people will get angry, or trolls who love fighting will join in pick it up and turn it into a pointless insult marathon. But how is any of this worse than living in ignorance because you are unwilling or unable to ask some of the questions that really matter?

For example, an insight into Häuser and the Brainstormer affair gives a REALLY good insight into his involvement with the Escena A1, another Escena failure. Why did either fail? Why did Steffen and Ben not tolerate any idea that they would until they did? Does this have any bearing on the future of OS4? If so, why? If not, why not? A really important question is, is this the reason why bPlan and Hyperion simply won't see eye to eye any more?

Life is all about conflict. We can't all live and numbly nod and agree all the time. Sometimes, somehow, someone's going to have to say something that upsets someone. I absolutely see no point in hiding away from that. The only difference with the Amiga community is that it seems to like taking stuff to extremes, either extreme moderation or extreme flaming. This thread and the subjects it addresses are good examples of both.
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Posted by Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson on 03-Sep-2004 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 242 (XraalE):
Why should someone that's interested in running OS4 on an AmigaOne even care what happened at some point with Hauser and some G3 cards?

Do you really think that you should choose a platform based on the previous acts commited by those who designed some parts of it (if you even have the luxery of knowing who that even was)?

I just don't see it as relevant, and again it's all about dwelling in the past, and absolutely nothing to do with moving forward.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (Sigurbjörn B. Lárusson):
"Don't think I've ever been referred to as cancer. But thank you for those kind words. Must have taken you some time to come up with that one."

Corrupted DNA ~ Corrupted DMA

No, that was a bad one, sorry! ;-)

(BTW, before anyone says anything about the above, I have a lot of people close to me, including my mother, suffering from cancer. Five close relatives to me has died of cancer the last 3 years, but hey, whats wrong with joking about the misery? Sorry if it hurt anyone! Allways look at the briiiigth side of life ... ;-) )
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 245 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 03-Sep-2004 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (Anonymous):
Ok ..

Your Fucked !!

lol

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;p
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 246 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 03-Sep-2004 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 229 (XraalE):
I won't reveal the source of my info, no, except to reveal that at least L8-X does most of his trolling with his own nick (on two occassions so obscenely though the comments were removed as spoofing, even though it was his correct IP, haha!) Alkemyst is less easy to track down, although his unique use of certain words leads to very grave suspicions. So I'll have to concede for now, this time I can't prove my statement, and so it becomes nothing.

Okay, well I'll assume that that's an apology - after all, as you have no proof then your comments amount to nothing more than defamatory.

Oh, but I also found prety good records about you, "Big Red Troll".

Oh the irony - surely even yourself must be able to see the irony apparent in that nick?! Yes I was Big Red Troll - but I think you'll be hard pushed to find a comment where BRT was actually trolling. And if I did, then I apologise - but please let me know what comments I made that were trolling so I can alter my behaviour in future.

Weren't you lecturing us at all about using multiple nicks to troll?

I think you're mistaking my "I do NOT have a problem with multiple nicks" comments with somebody elses "You musn't use multiple nicks". In fact, I think it was when you were having a go at somebody for using multiple nicks that I pointed out you yourself have more than one. Once again, check your facts.

A perfect qualification for your moderation role, it seems.

What moderation role? Do you ever research your facts before throwing mud?

And I was so impressed with your defending an innocent user against Bouma's hateful belligerence a few days back, too. Disappointing.

Firstly, that was a pretty typical response of a user on aw.net - I'm not the only person to object to a moderator yet not get moderated. Maybe it has something to do with treating that person with respect rather than coming out with the usual insults?

Oh... and was that from ANOTHER amigaworld.net thread that you didn't read - after all, you don't visit there do you?! Funny that...
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (The_Editor):
OK, it might have been a bad one, but it was a clever one, right? ;-)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 248 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Sep-2004 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (The_Editor):
Tjernobyl in full effect! ;-)
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 249 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 03-Sep-2004 19:57 GMT
AmigaWorld is now BACK UP !!

Congrats to all who helped.
Amigaworld.net down : Comment 250 of 281ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 03-Sep-2004 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (XraalE):
> In one word, bollocks. Actually, in three. Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks.

I notice you didn't actually even try to respond in a rational manner. I can't
believe anyone in 2004 who has a clue would still be talking about "G3" and "G4"
as if they actually meant anything anymore. The 750GX is years more advanced than
the 750, is made by a different company (IBM vs. Motorola), and is in fact faster
than the older "G4"s at the same clock speed for many tasks (not counting Altivec,
which is mostly irrelevant for the Amiga scene at this point, which you well
know). This isn't an opinion; go look at some benchmarks.

> This is what I mean about AWN: Ben Hermans can open his trap and any amount of
> steaming bull can slop out to be quickly shoveled around and become part of
> mythology.

I don't listen to Ben Hermans (or, in fact, ANYONE whose name begins with "B"
and is involved in the computer business in some way); I listen to reason.
You've obviously let your emotions about this issue cloud whatever judgement
you might have had.
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