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Posted on 06-Sep-2004 14:12 GMT by Anonymous (Edited on 2004-09-06 19:48:28 GMT by Christian Kemp)382 comments
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Due to censorship by Argo the thread is locked but it is interesting to see a major Anti Amiga Inc webmaster turn in to a Genesi attacker and a certain website defender.

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Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 151 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 07-Sep-2004 03:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mikey C):
How come Mikey_C isn't a registered user at ann.lu?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 152 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Darth_X):
He .. hehe.. hehehe... heh .. he said "analisis" .. hehe.. heh
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 153 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (Darth_X):
>How come Mikey_C isn't a registered user at ann.lu?

Probably because there is no law that says you have to be a registered user. Anyway, why don't you ask him instead of us?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 154 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 07-Sep-2004 03:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Anonymous):
That user name hasn't been deactivated, and the password is still the same. You could theoretically use it.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 155 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 04:01 GMT
My god, it's so nice to see the same old zombies crawling out of the dirt to maintain their constant vendetta against Amiga Inc/Hyperion/Eyetech, their supporters or anyone who bothers to say anything positive about OS4/AmigaOne.

I really like logic of slamming a site that they "don't visit" because it constantly "moderates" them. How can you be moderated by I site you don't visit? Strange...

Anyway, nobody wins any prizes for guessing what camp I'm in. However, I don't find it necessary to visit Pegasos/MorphOS sites to lecture its visitors on what machine or OS they should use and then insult them if they don't agree with me. In fact, the only time I visit these sites is to follow links for more information on an interesting subject.

It pretty sad to see these Uber-Trolls try and justify their actions on Amigaworld.net (or ANN).

While waiting for a functional AmigaOne and OS4 release, I have been tempted several times to purchase a Pegasos just to play with MorphOS. So what has put be off? Rumours of hardware problems? No. Rumours of OS problems? No. Bill Buck? No. What stopped me was people like KennyR, Eva, etc. Why the hell would I want to associate myself with people like them? Well done guys. With your blinkered obsession of trying to undermine the opposition, you have successfully driven away potential customers/users. I'm sure Gensei is proud of you.

What worries me more than the actions of these pathetics losers is the fact that any "old Amigan" visiting ANN, Amiga.org, Amigaworld.net, etc would take one look at what's being posted and go straight back to his PC/Mac and never look back again. This is what Wayne was trying to say in his posting on Amiga.org. I guess we couldn't expect the people responsible for trolling to admit they are wrong and change their ways. It's far easier to band together and shoot the messenger.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 156 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 04:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Darrin):
>What stopped me was people like KennyR, Eva, etc. Why the hell would I want to associate myself with people like them?

I don't associate *you* with anyone on the red side, doubt anyone else does so either. Why should anyone associate you with KennyR or Eva?

You have to come with something better than that mate :)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 157 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 07-Sep-2004 04:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Darrin):
Darrin,
that's a litte one sided rant..I don't know who you are (nor do
you know who I am for that matter) but you just propagated the
behavior that you attempted to condemn.....

If you do it then it's OK but if one of the (named by you) blue
guys does it then it's somehow different and you do not wish to be
assosciated with it? Won't bother analysing your bahavior but it's
surely double standards (at least) ?

STeve
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 158 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 04:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (hooligan/dcs):
>I don't associate *you* with anyone on the red side, doubt anyone else does
>so either.

Well thanks for that, however many blue trolls regard me as parnoid, delusional red troll. Just wait until you see some of the replies to my previous statament ;-)

>Why should anyone associate you with KennyR or Eva?

I've no idea. I usually just say what I see and then get roasted for it. Mind you, it's always the same people that attack me and their opinions don't count :-)

>You have to come with something better than that mate :)

Better than KennyR??? Come on, the prosecution rests!!!

On the other hand, it's information from helpfull people like you, Alkis (when he's not enagaged in a 400 post war with Sammy), and the other 90% of Pegasos users that have made me want to try one while I wait.

Without these pointless flame-fests initiated by the same narrow minded individuals, I'm sure there would be a lot more dual-platform-users. It's a shame...
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 159 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (JKD):
Hi Steve,

>that's a litte one sided rant..

Well, unless I have a personality disorder then I can't argue with myself, can I? ;-)

>I don't know who you are (nor do you know who I am for that matter) but you
>just propagated the behavior that you attempted to condemn.....

No, that's not what I've done. What I condemned was the way inw hich certain people visit sites that they supposedly have no interest in, upset the regular users (deliberately), get moderated, come to places like ANN to complain about it, needlessly attack others because they use a rival platform/OS and think they're performing a public service.

Please point out where I have done any of this.

>If you do it then it's OK but if one of the (named by you) blue
>guys does it then it's somehow different and you do not wish to be
>assosciated with it?

But what I do and what he does is entirely different. Please link me to my posts on MorphZone where I attack the users, moderators, hardware or software.

Please link to my posts on ANN where I attack the MorphZone users, moderators, hardware or software.

Please link to the posts where I verbally abuse someone who hadn't done it to me first.

Please... oh don't worry. You can't. Save yourself the effort.

>Won't bother analysing your bahavior but it's surely double standards (at
>least) ?

Obviously it isn't. Now either you simply misunderstood the meaning of my post (and hopefully I've just cleared this up) or you're one of those damn 10%ers that can't look into a mirror for fear of seeing a true reflection.

I hope I've made myself clear this time.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 160 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 07-Sep-2004 04:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Darrin):
This KennyR? Hmm... looks like Amiga.org is heavily MorphOS biased.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 161 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 07-Sep-2004 04:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Darrin):
This KennyR? Hmm... looks like Amiga.org is heavily MorphOS biased.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 162 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 05:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (Christian Kemp):
Hhhmm, given I hadn't posted on ANN using my nick for so many months I may be mistaking what the password actually was. I use many different passwords for different purposes, just in case. Maybe you send me this password again?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 163 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (itix):
>This KennyR? Hmm... looks like Amiga.org is heavily MorphOS biased.

What are you trying to say?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 164 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Sep-2004 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Darrin):
My god, it's so nice to see the same old zombies crawling out of the dirt to maintain their constant vendetta against Amiga Inc/Hyperion/Eyetech, their supporters or anyone who bothers to say anything positive about OS4/AmigaOne.

Does this kind of exaggeration do any good? If you really want improvement and aren't just posting for the fun of throwing insults, then why not elevate the level of discussion instead? It seems to me that if there is any "constant vendetta against Amiga..." (and I'm not aware of many people who even care that much any more), it is matched if not exceeded by the paranoid screeds of some of its supporters. As far as reasonable communication is concerned, there's plenty of room for improvement on all sides.

-- gary_c
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 165 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 07-Sep-2004 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (gary_c):
>and I'm not aware of many people who even care that much any more

Garry Hare said lots of things about AmigaOS and its possibilities in different markets.

To do this it has to run on different hardware, and it was emphasied he did not mean AmigaDE, so we may get multi OS AOS.

That speech was interesting and exciting.

However there`s no news about massive funding for hyperion to do the work or "skills sought" posts.

But Garry did say that what KMOS does depends on the needs of clients. (or KMOS may be outsourcing elsewhere)

Amongst the visionary stuff there was one definate direct firm statement measurable in the short term.

It was silly, marginal and provoked laughter but goes direct to credibility.

Puzzling that that statement should have been made.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 166 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (gary_c):
>Does this kind of exaggeration do any good?

Exaggeration? How blind are you? Don't try and gloss over the obvious actions of your "chums" with this BS bucket of white-wash.

>If you really want improvement and aren't just posting for the fun of
>throwing insults, then why not elevate the level of discussion instead?

By "elevating the discussion", as assume you mean "ignore the Blue Trolls so they can attack the Red Camp freely". You'd like that wouldn't you.

>It seems to me that if there is any "constant vendetta against Amiga..."

No, with your head burried in the sand, you obviously can't see the same, tired old posts from the same boring individuals every time something pro-AmigaOne/OS4 or AMigaworld.net is mentioned.

>(and I'm not aware of many people who even care that much any more),

You're right there. Most of them have buggered off to their PC's and Macs. Who can blame them.

>it is matched if not exceeded by the paranoid screeds of some of its
>supporters.

Ah, so if you feel the Red Camp is under attack then you're "parnoid" whereas if you feel the Blue Camp is under attack then you're seeing things as they are.

Thanks for clearing that up. Forgive me if I'm not convinced.

>As far as reasonable communication is concerned, there's plenty of room for
>improvement on all sides.

Yes, there is. So why don't you make a start by either calling in the attack-dogs or tellig them in public that their actions are neither appreciated or wanted. Or are you just towing the party line of swinging a sword with one hand and waving an olive branch with the other?

It amazes me that you can be the voice of reason at times and then turn into the defender of filth. Which is the real you? Which is the real Gary_C and which one is simply "following orders"?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 167 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Sep-2004 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Darth_X):
Review my past posting history & that should be clear enough
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 168 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Sep-2004 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (hooligan/dcs):
Shoot me! I don't know the spelling! :(
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 169 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 07-Sep-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Darrin):
>Which is the real Gary_C and which one is simply "following orders"?

Yep. There is the paranoia bit for sure. :)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 170 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Amon_Re):
He .. hehe.. hehehe... heh .. you said ... "ANALisis" .. hehe.. heh
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 171 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (gary_c):
You're lying so much that you have convinced yourself, gary. Those "crap, lies, scam, insults" coming from the aforementioned person is the reality, the explanations that just happen to appear right after those "crap, lies, scam, insults" has become appearant is what is trying to mislead us. If you remember the days of the fake Amiga CEO business card that he was so "unaware" that it wasn't real, he claimed in public that both Bill McEwan and Fleecy Moss had been removed from their positions and was "out of the picture". He also claimed that Genesi was in negotiations with the so-called "new managment" at Amiga Inc. How could any of this possibly be just a "misperception"? No, it was intentional outright lies and just one small example of all the things he has pulled.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 172 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 07-Sep-2004 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Darren Glenn):
Again this comment isnt from me...

I always log in with my nick Ryu, and I have no affiliation with Amigaworld.Net looser!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 173 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 07-Sep-2004 09:18 GMT
All comments in this thread using the name Darren Glenn are not me, it is some looser trying to impersonate or muddy my name.

Once again, if i post on ann I always log in... You wont see an unregistered message from me so discount any you find.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 174 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Restore on 07-Sep-2004 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (Ryu):
This site has a serious security problem, maybe anonymous posting should be stopped, and all users have to register, then much of these imposters will go away and spread their crap somewhere else.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 175 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Sep-2004 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Darrin):
It amazes me that you can be the voice of reason at times and then turn into the defender of filth. Which is the real you? Which is the real Gary_C and which one is simply "following orders"?

If you think I'm inconsistent depending on the topic, you might want to examine how your own biases might influence your perception of my posts. As far as I know, what I write is valid. If you want to point out specific examples for me to respond to, fine, but I'm not interested in vollying back and forth with generalized accusations.

-- gary_c
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 176 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Sep-2004 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Darrin):
And BTW, I've *never* been "under orders" by Bill Buck or anyone else when I express an opinion. Chalk another one up for Amiga-fan paranoia.

-- gary_c
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 177 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Dan on 07-Sep-2004 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Restore):
That´s not going to happen soon, why bother? ;-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 178 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Dan):
You blue troll!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 179 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Anonymous):
Shut up you red troll!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 180 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Anonymous):
Anyone seen my medication?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 181 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Sep-2004 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Sammy Nordström):
> If you remember the days of the fake Amiga CEO business card that he was so
> "unaware" that it wasn't real,

Oh, so what you're saying is that you don't know that Garry Hare in person admitted he did hand out that business card?

And you're more inclined to believe his justification that he did so only as a joke, rather than what is apparent, that is that if I hand out cards on which there's written that I'm the CEO of a company, then people are totally entitled, and justified in doing so, to believe I'm the CEO of said company?

Joke my arse, what kind of stupid joke would that be anyway? :-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 182 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Fabio Alemagna):
Or:

If I say on the 24th July that shirts are at the printers, then people are totally entitled, and justified in doing so, to believe that by September 7th they should have them.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 183 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, you know very well that I'm talking about wether the claims of the person the discussion was about were true or not. Look at the claims that I mentioned in my post that he had made and used the business card to support, are they or are they not something we can dismiss as "misperceptions"?

Furthermore, the business card was indeed a fake in the sense that Garry Hare himself admitted that it was a fake and that he had created it. Now stop trolling Fabio. Yes, this attempt to start another of those pointless arguments is what I call trolling.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 184 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 183 (Sammy Nordström):
BTW, Garry also said that he made it perfectly clear to everyone he gave that business card to as well as the person that this discussion is about that it was not genuine.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 185 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by minator on 07-Sep-2004 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Sammy Nordström):
>You're lying so much that you have convinced yourself, gary. Those "crap, lies, scam,
>insults" coming from the aforementioned person is the reality, the explanations that just
>happen to appear right after those "crap, lies, scam, insults" has become appearant is
>what is trying to mislead us.

Except in the example you give below the "truth" of the matter is very unclear and it doesn't appear anyone in the community knows exactly what happened.

>If you remember the days of the fake Amiga CEO business card that he was so "unaware"
>that it wasn't real, he claimed in public that both Bill McEwan and Fleecy Moss had been
>removed from their positions and was "out of the picture". He also claimed that Genesi
>was in negotiations with the so-called "new managment" at Amiga Inc. How could any of
>this possibly be just a "misperception"? No, it was intentional outright lies and just one
>small example of all the things he has pulled.

The guy who gave Bill the business card visited the Thendic office around that time and I asked him myself if "Garry Hare" was the new CEO, his *exact* anwser was "apparently".
So, it did very much look like Mr Hare was or was going to become the CEO of Amiga inc.

So, no there weren't any "intentional outright lies".

In the event it appears that it didn't happen directly but guess who's in charge of all the Amiga assets now?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 186 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (minator):
So, how do you explain the claims that Genesi was negotiating with the new managment and that both Bill McEwan and Fleecy Moss was "out of the picture"?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 187 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (minator):
>In the event it appears that it didn't happen directly but guess who's in
>charge of all the Amiga assets now?

At that time, it simply wasn't true and the claim that Bill McEwan and Fleecy Moss would be "out of the picture" remains untrue as of today.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 188 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (minator):
And then we can take a more recent example, like when he in front of a court of law made use of a faked e-mail that was supposedly to be from Fleecy Moss as evidence to support his case against Amiga Inc., and then even when the one who created the faked e-mail admitted to his "practical joke", he insisted that the mail was genuine in court. It has obviously become one of his habits to make use of forged information for supporting his cause and I don't doubt he would hesitate to do it again.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 189 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Sammy Nordström):
...or, would NOT hesitate to do it again, I mean.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 190 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Sep-2004 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Restore):
"This site has a serious security problem,"

Not really. It has light weight moderation, so people can post messages anonymously or pretend to be somebody else, but that is the price you pay for open debate.

Democracy is not just for responsible adults wearing suits and ties.

A security problem would be if ANN was regularly hacked, which it is not. What you are complaining of is a good manners problem.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 191 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Sep-2004 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Sammy Nordström):
"At that time, it simply wasn't true and the claim that Bill McEwan and Fleecy Moss would be "out of the picture" remains untrue as of today."

When a company is taken over, the previous management generally stay around for a transition period.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 192 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (Sammy Nordström):
>BTW, Garry also said that he made it perfectly clear to everyone he gave that business card to as well as the person that this discussion is about that it was not genuine.

"Here! Have my card and contact if you got propositions. Well it says this and that in my card as its not really genuine but what the heck. Even the phonenumber connects to Disneyworld instead of my cellphone. Have a nice time!"


something... like this?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 193 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Don Cox):
According to Garry Hare, they are still employed by Amiga Inc. and I Garry did not mention anything about firing anyone. On the contrary, the plan is to settle previous employment issues and then actually begin hiring again.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 194 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 11:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (hooligan/dcs):
Are you colourblind or what ? Eva sure is blue, not red.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 195 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (hooligan/dcs):
I don't know and I don't care. Please don't pursue Fabio's attempt to turn this discussion to be about such irrelevant issues and let's get back to what can, as gary_c claimed, be dismissed as "misperceptions" or not.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 196 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Anonymous):
ok.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 197 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 195 (Sammy Nordström):
Yes, sorry. Go ahead.. have the field.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 198 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Martin on 07-Sep-2004 11:22 GMT
After the buisness card affair, it looks like Hare turned out to be CEO of Amiga Inc after all and just changed the name to KMOS so the people who they owe money to can go and whistle.

Bunch of crooks with a new name and face (nothing new in AmigaLand).
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 199 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Martin):
>After the buisness card affair, it looks like Hare turned out to be CEO of
>Amiga Inc after all and just changed the name to KMOS so the people who they
>owe money to can go and whistle.

No. While KMOS is indeed the new owner of Amiga Inc., Amiga Inc. is still Amiga Inc. and Garry Hare is the CEO of KMOS, not Amiga Inc.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 200 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Sep-2004 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Darrin):
>It's far easier to band together and shoot the messenger.Says the person who describes the other side's OS as a "magget infested corpse" (despite the fact that *that* OS at least has been out for a couple of years, has a JIT, has a native graphics system, and AFAICT, fully working DMA IDE drivers)?How about you read my first comment in this thread, and do a bit of introspection?
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