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Posted on 06-Sep-2004 14:12 GMT by Anonymous (Edited on 2004-09-06 19:48:28 GMT by Christian Kemp)382 comments
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Due to censorship by Argo the thread is locked but it is interesting to see a major Anti Amiga Inc webmaster turn in to a Genesi attacker and a certain website defender.

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Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 251 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 250 (Darrin):
Who, Darrin or Darren? :-P
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 252 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 251 (Sammy Nordström):
LOL. I don't know. Who am I???!!!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 253 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 252 (Darrin):
Was that a scientific, philosophical or a political question? ;-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 254 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 253 (Sammy Nordström):
Was that a rhetorical question? ;-)

OK, I've started my "peace post". Interested parties please sign up :-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 255 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (hooligan/dcs):
Bloody liar here its sunny!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 256 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 254 (Darrin):
>Was that a rhetorical question?

Yes, but I guess that yours was as well, so why am I replying? :-P
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 257 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (Sammy Nordström):
Same reason I am. It's late, there's nothing on TV and I'm bored ;-)

... and because the trolls have all gone to bed!!! ;-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 258 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (Sammy Nordström):
Put a sock in it ugly nerd boi! Go out and look at some girls. But you probably are afraid some chick will beat you up then!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 259 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Sep-2004 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (Sammy Nordström):
*Points at post 209*
See? See? See? I knew it would happen! You're going for the last word again ;)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 260 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Sammy Nordström):
"He also claimed that Genesi was in negotiations with the so-called "new managment" at Amiga Inc. How could any of this possibly be just a "misperception"?"

BB actually spoke with Garry Hare (the new management at Amiga Inc) about possible cooperation, as Garry told himself in the interview.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 261 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Sep-2004 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (Darrin):
I won't deny it, I was a troll... I got tired of it. You need to understand that
you are talking to *SAMFACE*... Unlike him, I *NEVER* posted a single comment just to cause a fight. I kept argueing all the time and that was my shortcoming.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 262 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2004 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (Sammy Nordström):
"Like, Fleecy did indeed stand up and say that the forged e-mail was not written by him. If you don't believe me, I have court documents to back it up. It's very tempting to go through every detail you brought up but I'm sorry, this is simply not the place for doing so."

You who have the court documents should also take a look in the last post by the Judge, who said that the e-mail had no effect on the outcome of the case anyway, so feel free to forget that. BTW, the mail was not written by BB either. But drop the mail now, that was not important in any way even back then, and even less so at present time.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 263 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 04:00 GMT
Talking of Genesi, interesting reading here
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 264 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 261 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Unlike him, I *NEVER* posted a single comment just to cause a fight.

Give me one example where this would have been the case. All I know is that I've *NEVER* posted a single comment with such intent. Everyone, including you, should know by know that I'm NOT the kind of person that just post flamebait and then step back to enjoy the flamewar. On the contrary, what most people are bothered with about me is that I rarely leave an argument directed at me unanswered.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 265 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 05:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 262 (Anonymous):
Wether it had an effect on the court case or not is irrelevant to the issue at hand since the discussion isn't about the court case to begin with. We were discussing wether certain actions by a certain person could be dismissed as "misperceptions" about him or not. While it didn't have any effect on the outcome of the court case, it was still an obvious attempt to make use of forged evidence.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 266 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 260 (Anonymous):
More precisely, this is what he said:

"When I returned home David Traub called and asked if I would take a call from Bill Buck. I agreed and the next day Bill Buck called and immediately asked if I was Amiga's CEO and if I could make decisions on behalf of the company. I told him that I hoped to join Amiga but had yet to do so. And, if I did join, I would certainly be able to make decisions. He began to pitch me on a couple business ideas that he felt would be mutually beneficial. I quickly responded that as long as there was litigation between the companies he would have to communicate through legal counsel. It was a short and not unpleasant conversation. At the end he advised me, I thought jokingly, not to join Amiga. As it turns out I didn't but I can't say that was due to his specific advice."

Does this sound like a conversation with "the new managment at Amiga Inc."?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 267 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 06:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 266 (Sammy Nordström):
But what makes you sure he was telling the truth?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 268 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 08-Sep-2004 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 267 (hooligan/dcs):
>But what makes you sure he was telling the truth?

Because Garry is on the red side and so is Sammy? :)

Truth left the building long time ago, my friend.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 269 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 08-Sep-2004 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Fabio Alemagna):
> That's not the reason they give when they're asked how come they
> don't port AOS4 to the Pegasos

So, what _is_ the reason we give for not porting OS4 to the Peagsos ? I seem to remember that Hyperion said several times that Genesi should talk to Amiga about a license. Now why should Hyperion say that if Hyperion would be free to do whatever they want ?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 270 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-Sep-2004 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 269 (Thomas Frieden):
> So, what _is_ the reason we give for not porting OS4 to the Peagsos ?

That Genesi hasn't gotten a license from you.

Aside from that fect that that comes off as a pretty bad joke, everyone can see that that answer is not related to you having a contract stating that you cannot port AOS4 to any other hardware than Eyetech's one.

> A I seem to remember that Hyperion said several times that Genesi should talk
> to Amiga about a license. Now why should Hyperion say that if Hyperion would
> be free to do whatever they want ?

I dunno, you tell me?

So, tell me, why do you say that?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 271 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Sep-2004 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 264 (Sammy Nordström):
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1094205455&category=news&number=7#comment
As if you didn't know what would that cause...
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 272 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 267 (hooligan/dcs):
What makes you think that I would be sure? Like I posted earlier, I don't know enough about Garry to make any judgements about him and the issue at hand isn't about him in the first place.

You see, this is just one incident out of many where the actual individual at hand has made outragous claims in public that has later on turned out be entirely fictional with very little, if any, factual basis. Like, while it's true that Garry Hare handed out those cards, we know as a matter of fact that he was NOT the CEO of Amiga Inc. at that time. I don't even think he is today either since he is still the CEO of KMOS Inc. rather than Amiga Inc. I haven't read anything yet that would indicate a change in this regard which makes it certain and without the shadow of a doubt that those claims from the individual at hand was not "common knowledge", as he called it. I'd say he knew very well what the effects of his claim would be, he just couldn't resist the opportunity.

What Gary Harre says may of course not be true, I'm just saying that what a certain other individual said possibly can't be true.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 273 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 271 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Read what I explained again and again in that thread. It was NOT meant as flamebait. On the contrary, I chose to leave out any accusations and claims in my comment for the sake of NOT starting another flamewar. If I would have been trolling, I wouldn't have tried to explain it over and over again, now would I? If anyone was trolling in that thread, then it was Fabio who kept asking me to tell my reasons, like he didn't already know my reasons.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 274 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 270 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, it's perfectly clear that Hyperion do NOT control the AmigaOS IP. They are just a third party developer of the OS while KMOS Inc. is the ones that owns the rights for the AmigaOS and they are the ones who decide which hardware the AmigaOS will support or not. Is that really so hard to understand?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 275 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 272 (Sammy Nordström):
>What Gary Harre says may of course not be true, I'm just saying that what a certain other individual said possibly can't be true.

Exactly. Thats why I trust what Garry Hare says/said as much as anyone in the Amigamarket these days. Which is about the same I trust carsalesmen.

For instance, I personally think he lied (which I don't know if its true or not) a few weeks ago when he said the t-shirts were printed. Today the situation is still the same.. no-one has gotten shit. The guy just has not earned my trust, YET.
And, *if* he lied about the t-shirts, he probably has spilled bs about many other things aswell, and that might include anything that was discussed between him and Bill Buck.

I have said it many times before, I repeat it again: I think we (=Amiga community) better trust no-one. Scepticism to honor!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 276 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 275 (hooligan/dcs):
>no-one has gotten shit

eer.. shirt. But I guess "shit" goes just as good :)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 277 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Sep-2004 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 272 (Sammy Nordström):
But the only reason you are convinced that what BB said "can't be true" is because you *do* believe GH.The guy has business cards printed. He then hands them out at a convention (and at least I find the whole argument of not having other cards holding valid contact information more than fishy). Then he takes a call from BB. So far, everyone agrees (at least now --- accusations were flying back then :).GH says he made it clear those cards were not yet reflecting reality while handing them out. He also says he told BB that he couldn't talk to him about business ventures involving Amiga Inc and Genesi, because of ongoing litigation (note: *NOT* because he was in no position to talk about such ventures). GH also says the T-shirts went to the printers in mid-July.....Now, let's for a moment assume that maybe GH's recollection of events is not entirely in line with what actually happened. Without even presuming any ill intentions, he might have failed to impress the inaccuracy of the business cards when handing them out (and let's face it, you go to such a convention, you come home with a stack of cards, and basically no idea what face belongs to what card. And unless the point was made quite strongly, you will have no idea which of those 50+ cards was the one someone mumbled something about...). And also, once again without presumption of ill intent, let's consider GH might have been genuinely concerned about the law suit, and thus had *that* at the front of his mind while talking to BB. BB: "So, Gary, I hear you are the new head honcho at Amiga Inc". GH: "Well, I have been asked to take on the CEO position by a bunch of investment bankers, and I have to admit, it sounds tempting. So yeah, I should be soon". BB: "Cool --- maybe then Genesi and Amiga Inc can finally worktogether on some exciting projects. I take it you'll be getting rid of McBill, right?". GH: "Well, obviously, when I become CEO, he won't have that position anymore. But, Bill, you know, I really can't talk to you about projects while you are suing us. Until that's done with in some way, I am afraid you'll have to let the lawyers do the talking. You *know* that I'd rather do stuff and make money for the company, than spend time in court making money for noone but the lawyers, but it's up to you to drop the lawsuit. So, sorry, no can talk right now. Hope we can work together soon, though". BB: "Ugh --- I guess you have a point. I'll have to go talk to my people and see what we can do".Now, that conversation, with hindsight and a slightly skewed viewpoint and selective memory, can easily be described as GH did it (informed BB he was not the CEO, made it clear no talk during lawsuit). It could also perfectly well be described the way BB did (*was* talking to new AI management about joint projects, and getting positive feedback). Also, considering that in the absence of news to the contrary, BB would have to assume that shortly after this talk, GH *did* become CEO of Amiga, the impression that McBill was a goner is quite understandable. And considering that the new CEO was handing out business cards, for crying out loud, considering said new CEO "common knowledge" is only sensible (Analogy: I am not allowed to tell people what potential customers my company is targetting. However, when we get a machine in a public place, booting up with our logo, it's considered public knowledge that we provided the machine to that customer).
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 278 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-Sep-2004 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 274 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, stop talking about things you don't have a clue about.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 279 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Sep-2004 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 277 (Bernie Meyer):
There is of course one argument you could make: "If Amiga Inc had had a new CEO, they would have announced it on their website. So BB should have known that GH ended up not taking the CEO position".I'll let you have a look at the website for yourself and work out why *that* argument would be extremely weak :)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 280 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 08-Sep-2004 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 277 (Bernie Meyer):
Check out on amiga.com how Bill began signing off:

God bless,

Bill McEwen
President/CEO
Amiga, Inc.

Leaving the way open for there to be

Vampire Slayer/CEO
Spiderperson/CEO
Samface/CEO

etc

The change of sign off suggests "something on the cards"
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 281 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 277 (Bernie Meyer):
>But the only reason you are convinced that what BB said "can't be true" is
>because you *do* believe GH.

I don't know how I can be more clear but atleast try to understand this simple word as an answer to the above claim:

No.

Now take a look at what I replied to again when I quoted GH. It was not for the sake of proving anything, it was a reply to a claim about what Garry said in his interview for the sake of clarifying exactly what he said, nothing else.

Now, from what we know about the situation at that time, it is a fact that Amiga Inc. had NOT changed their CEO and neither Bill McEwan nor Fleecy Moss was "out of the picture", which was well known to all participants of a certain court case. Yet the individual at hand made these claims and even said that he thought it was "old news". In case you're looking for a motive, here's a hint:

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1051380286&category=news&number=97#comment
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 282 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 278 (Fabio Alemagna):
If you stop talking about things that you don't have a clue about.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 283 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 08-Sep-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 281 (Sammy Nordström):
>it is a fact that Amiga Inc. had NOT changed their CEO

Here`s a scan of the card http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=970

Hare`s title on card: Chairman/CEO
McEwan`s sign off on Amiga.com: President/CEO
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 284 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 08-Sep-2004 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 270 (Fabio Alemagna):
> That Genesi hasn't gotten a license from you.

If at all, Amiga Inc would have to give a license, not Hyperion.

> can see that that answer is not related to you having a contract stating that
> you cannot port AOS4 to any other hardware than Eyetech's one

I wonder where you get your insight on what is in which contract? I distinctively remember that there is a version of AmigaOS 4.0 for the CyberStorm and BlizzardPPC, so your assessment of the situation can't be really correct, can it?

Besides, you don't have an idea what is going on so please refrain from making unqualified comments.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 285 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 283 (John Block):
But you forgot: Garry Hare *SAID* the card wasn't genuine when he handed them. And do we have a reason to doubt him?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 286 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 08-Sep-2004 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 284 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Any moves to do a PC version?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 287 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 08-Sep-2004 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 286 (John Block):
or Cloanto - AF7? :)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 288 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-Sep-2004 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 284 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> > That Genesi hasn't gotten a license from you.
>
> If at all, Amiga Inc would have to give a license, not Hyperion.

"if at all" means that Genesi doesn't have to get a license, then? Or perhaps you just used the wrong expression.

Ok, let's see, in order for you to port AmigaOS to the Pegasos, Genesi should ask for a license to Amiga, Inc.?

If so, what exactly should they license? It's not at all clear. Should they license AmigaOS? And why would they have to? They're not going to sell AmigaOS, you you would sell it. Unless you're thinking that the Pegasos should come with AmigaOS preinstalled, in which case you'd be just dreaming, a wet dream I'd say.

> > can see that that answer is not related to you having a contract stating
> > that you cannot port AOS4 to any other hardware than Eyetech's one

> I wonder where you get your insight on what is in which contract?

To be honest, it's me who whonders where do you get the idea that I got that insight. I've not stated that you've got such contract, I've just stated that your answer doesn't confirm nor denies that you have such a contract, which is the original statement my post was an answer to.


> > distinctively remember that there is a version of AmigaOS 4.0 for the
> > CyberStorm and BlizzardPPC, so your assessment of the situation can't be
> > really correct, can it?

My assessment of the situation - and you would know if you had read my posts rather than rushing to reply - is that there's not such a contract, and that your answer about porting AmigaOS to the Pegasos confirms that there's not such a contract. In any case, I take it you also do confirm that such a contract doesn't exist?

> Besides, you don't have an idea what is going on so please refrain from making
> unqualified comments

I would so much like if you refrained first from attributing to me the results of your wild imagination. Next time, perhaps, you'd do better if you first read what you're replying to. Preferably by taking off your red glasses first.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 289 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 14:25 GMT
What I dont get is why Genesi would have to ask OS4 rights from AInc, when KMOS is the owner...
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 290 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 08-Sep-2004 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 287 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Got that in constant use.

Just to spell out as some hyperion people are present:

It would be great to continue using amiga, but OS4 comes with a conservative estimate $1000/£600+ dongle

In the old days it was moving up changing your main computer from 500 to 1200, now it`s can I justify $1000/£600+ virtually just to run aos4?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 291 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Sep-2004 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 285 (hooligan/dcs):
Yes, we do. We have many reasons. For one, it's all just way too damn convenient.You have a business card being handed out, by someone with Garry Hare's history, with "but hey, don't believe what it says on the card"? Not bloody likely.You have someone in this very thread (minator), whom we have at least as little reason to doubt as GH, reporting that whoever gave the card to BB appeared genuinely under the impression that the info on it was genuine. How could that be if GH impressed the fakeness of the card while handing it out?You have months and months and months of agitated debate (including incredible amounts of mud-slinging) over the whole card thing, and the man who is at the center of it chooses to let it all go on without comment.You have the incredible synchronicity between (a) GH handing out CEO business cards (at CTIA, March 17-19), (b) Garry Hare being cited in an AI court filing as someone with inside knowledge of AI's business (March 19th), (c) McBill testifying under oath that he is no longer CEO (March 30th), (d) AI supposedly selling AOS to Itec (April 23rd), and the whole business card thing breaking on ann.lu (Apr 26th) --- and yet you aren't the tiniest little bit suspicious of what weird and wonderful acts of manipulation GH committed during those 6 weeks?Want to hear my theory (and a theory it is, of course, no more)? In it, Itec is a subsidiary, or front, or otherwise controlled entity for the Dutch investors which, according to McBill's sworn testimony, are said to hold at least 50% of AI. When the shit really hit the fan in late 2002, early 2003 (eviction of AI, several default judgements, etc), they hired someone with some business clue (GH) to go in as new CEO and save what could be saved. McBill and Fleecy were, eventually, informed of this, and weren't happy. Meanwhile, GH tells all and sundry that he is going to be the new CEO of Amiga, and he is going to make money, no matter what. Except that, after an in-depth look at the business, he realizes there is only one thing of value, and significantly more debt than that value; In other words, no matter what, AI is going down; Its net value is negative. He reports back to Itec, who listen up at the "one thing of value" part, and go "OK, Garry, change of plan. You tell these clowns that we need toprotect the IP from Genesi, and would they please sell that diversion from their AmigaDE dreams for a symbolic price into a safe haven (i.e. to Itec). If they need motivation, tell them that in return, they won't be ousted". Then Itec, quietly and with lots of NDAs, tries to sell that one thing of value --- and fails miserably. So some months later, they go back to GH, and say "Garry, you know that whole make-money-no-matter-what thing, which we cancelled because of the debt? You think you could make it work if we give you the OS, but isolate the debt in the moribund AI?". Garry, always the smart one, says "Yeah, sure. I'll need some funding, of course, and my rates are tough --- but just think of what <buzzword> <buzzword> <buzzword> could mean to the 100+ million units mobile phone market. $$$$$$$!!!".Am I likely to be right? No way! Am I likely to be completely wrong? I doubt it. Is there *any* evidence, or even credible indication, that this is not exactly what happened? If so, I'd love to know about it.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 292 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 291 (Bernie Meyer):
I guess you missed the sarcastic part =)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 293 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 291 (Bernie Meyer):
But for christ sake, give us one motive why both Amiga Inc. and Garry would deny that Garry is the CEO if he really was the CEO? I mean, if it was true, why keep it a secret? Remember that Fleecy even said on Amigaworld.net that Bill McEwan might step down from the position as the CEO in the future but that it simply wasn't true at that time. Is that something you say if it somehow would be damaging for them to let the public know that they have a new CEO? I'm sorry but even if it's true that we cannot rely on mere statements as evidence, it simply doesn't add up. Give me a reason to doubt and I might. Until then, I have plenty of reasons to doubt the far fetched claims of a certain infamous individual.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 294 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 08-Sep-2004 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 263 (hooligan/dcs):
Why is this even vaguely interesting?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 295 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 08-Sep-2004 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 294 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Or to be more specific, in what why is the mentioned specs relevant at all for running a MySQL server? ATA100 disk, DVD-burner, radeon gfx card, wireless keyboard and wireless mouse are totally irrelevant specs, the only thing that can be said about that product is that you probably would like more than just 256MB of RAM.

If you just want a personal mysql to keep track of your personal collection of books and music and whatnot, you can just install mysql on whatever computer you already have.

All in all, totally bogus advertising, IMO.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 296 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Sep-2004 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 293 (Sammy Nordström):
First of all, Garry Hare never did deny that he is CEO. He denied a long long time later that he *was* CEO --- at the time in question his voice was noticably absent.Secondly: Probably because he wasn't CEO. He probably was the CEO designate; Considering that the title on his CEO business card was "Chairman/CEO", it's likely that there is a board which needs to sit and actually officially make changes. Considering that by McBill's account, the board is completely controlled by "Dutch investors", that wouldn't be more than a formality, of course, so if the Dutch investors and GH agree to make him CEO at the next scheduled board meeting, for all practical intents and purposes he *is* CEO.... But not on paper.Regardless --- why would McBill, under oath, testify that he *isn't* CEO on March 30th, 2003? If he was indeed CEO, that's perjury, which AFAIK is not something to commit lightly. Certainly lying under oath to a judge is more severe than lying in press releases to the Amiga community.Until somebody puts up a more plausible explanation, I'll stick with GH behaving as acting CEO of AI during that time, on behalf of Itec, until such time as Itec realized that AI was a lost cause, and switched from salvage-the-company into strip-the-assets mode. While salvage was still the plan, McBill was probably told in no uncertain terms that it wasn't his company, it wasn't his investment on the line, and unless he wanted to reap his just rewards for blowing through 8 figure funding with nothing to show, he better fall in line RIGHT NOW and do whatever this new guy we are sending, who will be the new CEO, says. To the letter. Or else! Which might explain why McBill (who has demonstrated a certain lack of understanding of formal procedures on a number of occasions) might have been under the (presumably mistaken) impression that he was no longer CEO on March 30th.You are welcome to come up with a better scenario of what happened. But you will have to make it fit *all* known observations, not just the ones that fit your world view.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 297 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 08-Sep-2004 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 295 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
> Or to be more specific, in what why is the mentioned specs relevant at all
> for running a MySQL server? ATA100 disk, DVD-burner, radeon gfx card,
> wireless keyboard and wireless mouse are totally irrelevant specs, the only
> thing that can be said about that product is that you probably would like
> more than just 256MB of RAM.

It depends what kind of database you want to run. The product is based on the
ODW specs; no reason to change any of it since we have fairly good suppliers
for them all.

It's not meant for the kind of people who want a $8999 multiprocessing Xeon
workstation that needs a jet engine to cool and a team of 20 to maintain. If
you want that, look at;

http://solutions.mysql.com/search.php?pc=11,0&q=

The solution at the top (above the Pegasos) is just that, and one-fifth of
the price for about half the power. It may not multiprocess, it may not be
able to hold a financial institution's records with any great speed, but it's
a prebuilt and preinstalled, authorized reseller product which meets the needs
of many - a non-racked, low-footprint, low power-consumption, with reasonable
performance, database server.. something you can buy and throw under a desk,
something you don't need a "server room" for..

> If you just want a personal mysql to keep track of your personal collection
> of books and music and whatnot, you can just install mysql on whatever
> computer you already have.

I think we are targetting people between spending $9000 on a server, and
installing it on the nearest Windows box because they're cheapasses.

> All in all, totally bogus advertising, IMO.

In what way? 256MB is perfectly okay for running a MySQL server. I have run 40
websites off a machine that is barely half the power of the specced Pegasos,
some of which are entirely database-bound (this was a Windows NT box). They
get a few hits a day, the RAM caches most of the important parts of the
database.. web stores, forums, a geneology site.. it barely tapped the first
128MB and it was running the web server too!

What this would be useful in is a small store that wanted order tracking, or
whatever, and didn't want to spend $9000 on it. 40GB is plenty of room for a
database. RAID isn't essential if you're going to perform backups (redundancy
is the goal, not as many disks as you can throw at it; a backup tape in the
fridge is redundancy, for example).

And there is no DVD burner, you dolt :)

Neko
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 298 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 08-Sep-2004 20:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 297 (Neko):
By "few", I meant more than 2000 and less than 1 million. The server was
heavily loaded for it's specs, but never died or ran out of memory. It had
a RAID 5 with 4 8GB SCSI disks in it, but it was a pointless exercise in
wasting disks anyway since it was all backed up by a tape drive (which we
could restore the COMPLETE NTFS filesystem from in about an hour).

I don't believe I ever saw a server disk fail at that place, and nobody could
recall if it ever had. I have seen disks fail in servers before, in RAID 5 -
but it was the more spectacular kind where 2 died at once and the whole RAID
concept was a mere joke.

Some companies don't HAVE a "nearest machine" to put stuff in. The chances of
buying a Dell and installing an SQL server on it? Well.. try doing it with
Windows, you'd need first a server version of the OS, and SQL Server. Or you
forgo your warranty (no phone support!) and install Linux on a desktop box,
and SQL yourself, and set it up..

.. not every company has a datacenter, and not every server has to be an
XServe. I remember once where a 'server' was something that was a big tower
in the back room, not a fully populated 9-foot rack..

.. did you see that Orion thing where they had multiple Transmeta processors
in a workstation-sized box? That thing is more server-like than most stuff,
and it's being sold as a workstation (the kind of thing SGI had with the
Oxygens and used to produce to compliment their Origin servers)

So this is just another market segment. So don't buy it if it isn't up to
your specifications. It is not, however, bogus or false advertising.

Neko
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 299 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 08-Sep-2004 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 297 (Neko):
Why is it bogus advertising? Dont you have any clue on advertising?

Where is the info about the actual product? As I said, disk, cd/dvd drive, gfx card and wireless input devices do not say anything about how well MySQL performs on the Pegasos. It doesnt even bother to mention CPU speed.. no reference to SQL benchmarks, no mention of any admin tools, no mention of optimization, nothing about the preconfigured partitioning.. nothing at all, except the minimum ammount of RAM.

When you advertice, the least thing you can do is to offer a comment on _why_ anyone should pick your product over others. And what's wrong about being a cheap skate? Not like the Pegasos has any quality guarantee or anything.. at least cheap skate machines can easily be replaced and updated to better scale the requirements.

And apropos scaling.. how many hits do you think my A1200 web server takes daily? :)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 300 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 08-Sep-2004 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 298 (Neko):
Phone support? Where in the advertising was there a mention about phone support, and exactly what kind of phone support _can_ you offer?

Assuming I had a tiny company with the need for a intranet webserver/database system.. why should I pick a Pegasos with phone support over a box from any of the local linux based providers who offer anything from remote administration of your inhouse "cheap skate" server, to fully functional virtual servers and complete solutions on their servers. And cheaply too.
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