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Posted on 07-Sep-2004 17:34 GMT by Darrin140 comments
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Before reaching comment #150 in an earlier debate, I suggested a "wild idea": Who on each side is prepared to bury the past, treat the other side(s) with respect and DEBATE instead of ARGUE? One golden rule... whoever signs up should try and remeber the names of the others doing the same and treat them with the respect which they would like to be shown to themselves. Anyone against it should then be ignored by the group in order to avoid flamefests. Here is the reasoning behind the idea: Let's forget about everything Amiga Inc, Gensei, Hyperion, McEwan, Buck, Fleecy, Hermans, Schmidt, KennyR, Eva, myself, Sammy... EVERYONE has said in the past. Yes, that's right - let's FORGET IT ALL. It's group hug time!!! Let's accept that OS4, MOS, AROS, AmigaDE and Amithlon are all great pieces of software. Let's accept that the latest Pegasos and Amiga boards are worth buying if you want to. Let's also remind ourselves that several years of blasting each other with wild accusations and insults have got all sides NOWHERE. I'll start. I apologise to everyone I've insulted on ANN. I'd like to thank everyone I've debated with. I want an AmigaOne for myself. I'd like to pay the same price as the Pegasos for it, but I accept the fact that I want OS4 so I have to buy an AmigaOne and I'd appreciate it if everyone would recognise that it's my choice. I wish the Pegasos and MOS good luck in this small market. I hope OS4+ manages the suceess of the classic OS. I like Amigaworld.net and I'm sure that MorphZone is a wonderful place full of satisfied customers. Let's cut out the crap. Let's talk to each other as if we were face to face and not hide behind keyboards. I'd much rather spend my time commenting on what software is being developed for the platforms than talking about what where my T-shirt is or whether a business card was genuine or not. Can we stick to what's important? Can we agree to disagree? I don't recall the Amiga v ST war being anything like this, but then we usually had to meet each other face to face. Damn, this reads like a bloody John Lenon song ;-) This is a chance to start a multi-platform news-site that we can ALL enjoy? I'd like to give it a try. This may be pointless, it probably won't work, but who is willing to try? Comment below and let's bury the past and respect those who respect us. Thanks for reading.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 51 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 07-Sep-2004 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Marco Steinberg):
I disagree with the both of you.

Wouldn't it be better to just ignore them? Maybe they will go away? Stop feeding them, stop sending them money. And so on and so forth :)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 52 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 08-Sep-2004 00:06 GMT
.. respect this! .... (_o_)

(just kidding)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 53 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan&dcs on 08-Sep-2004 01:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Marco Steinberg):
Lets start by attacking Hyperion then on to Genesi,Eyetech,Kmos. Send them hate mail and viruses, hack and destroy their websites and if you live local to one, visit their shop at night and smash their windows,doors and rob the place and burn them out before you leave

Good idea, except KMOS does not have offices or shop, let alone website :D
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 54 of 140ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 52 (James Carroll):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 55 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 08-Sep-2004 02:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Blushi):
yeah. :(
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 56 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Sep-2004 02:21 GMT
I'm not sure if there will ever be peace among the factions, given the history and the personalities of some of the people involved. It's a noble effort to try, but maybe it's best to take it a step at a time.

I don't think it's realistic or even necessarily a good idea to make *subjects* or *topics* off-limits. Discussing the AmigaOne vs. Pegasos or Amiga, Inc. and its partners vs. Genesi isn't inherently bad. In fact it's interesting and fun. What makes all the difference is *how* people do it.

The problem seems to be that people don't respect basic ideas that make civil discussions possible. How about keeping things like these in mind:

* Debate ideas, don't attack the writer personally.
This means don't call people names, don't say things calculated for maximum emotional reaction, etc. (The anonymity of the Internet means some dysfunctional people will use web forums as an outlet, but for the rest of us (I hope a majority, but sometimes I wonder.... ;-) ), it's common sense to be civil.)

* Try to focus on the ideas themselves rather than the writer.
The mere sight of my avatar at a certain site puts some people on guard and ready to argue, it seems ("He's blue, so what he says is crap." ;-) ). Try to accept everyone's words on their own merit rather than prejudging based on who the writer is, what color his/her camp flag is, etc.

* Avoid infinite loops. If you find yourself restating a position repeatedly, especially in an argument with just one other person, just call it a draw and stop wasting other readers' time. (Subpoint: Any time the discussion is more about trying to clarify what you already said rather than about saying new things, it's time to move on.)

* Be prepared to cite valid sources for claims made.
People tend to say things, especially in attacks against an adversary it seems, that they have only second- or third-hand information about. This information often turns out to be bogus or otherwise not applicable. It would save a lot of trouble if people either qualified their claims by saying "I've heard that..." or "Mr. XXX said that...", etc. (or better yet, "At this URL it says that....") rather than "This is what's true:...." But that would take the wind out of a lot of arguments so it may be too much to hope for.

Well, these ideas are just what come to mind quickly; people probably have other things they could add. The main thing is to be civil and focussed on ideas in the discussions. Stay fact-oriented and accept others' opinions as their legitimate priviledge. Like Darrin said, debate instead of argue.

-- gary_c
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 57 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 08-Sep-2004 04:16 GMT
Good morning all. I've just logged on again, it's 9:10am, there's over 50 posts and everyone is happy and making jokes :-)

Of course, the real test will be when someone posts they next hyped-up press release and we'll have to see if we can refrain from ripping it to shreds without the use of four letter words ;-)

@ Gary_C. Nice post and I agree 100%.

Now who's got some real news to post? Anything exciting happening in the community today?
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 58 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 08-Sep-2004 04:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (hooligan/dcs):
>Signing my name aswell. But can I still call Mehdi Ali as an a**hole every now and then?

Only if he agrees he is and you put a smilie after it ;-)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 59 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 08-Sep-2004 04:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (cheesegrate):
>good work darrin :) i love ure new peace spiel ;) u becomming a hippie in your middle age or what??@! ;)

LOL. Yeah, I've thrown the combat boots into the wardrobe for a while and put on some faded jeans, a tie & dye T-shirt, grown my hair and traded the Camero for a 20 year old Volkswagon mini-bus with a multi-coloured floral design spray painted on the sides. :-)

Now I just need some hippie chicks and something to smoke and I've got it made!!! ;-)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 60 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 04:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Darrin):
>Only if he agrees he is and you put a smilie after it ;-)

A) he KNOWS he is.
B) I can't smile while talking about him.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 61 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 04:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Darrin):
>Of course, the real test will be when someone posts they next hyped-up press release and we'll have to see if we can refrain from ripping it to shreds without the use of four letter words ;-)


Mean something like this?" :-)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 62 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 04:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Darrin):
Calling me a "nerd boi", even if meant as a joke, is it showing me respect? Well, in any case *I* don't think it is, so atleast respect that.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 63 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 08-Sep-2004 04:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (hooligan/dcs):
Oh, a challenge!!! You're nit trying to make this easy, are you ;-)

Seriously, I'm glad for Gensei that they are concentrating their efforts in the business market because that is honestly where the money is going to be. Let's face it, the community is so small at the moment that Gensei and Eyetech really have to look for specialist markets for their products and then push hard to get them introduced. Whoever manages to capture one of these and requires a large production run can then pass the saving downs to us with better prices on newer models.

I wish them luck with this endevour and I hope that Eyetech manage something similar too.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 64 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 08-Sep-2004 04:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Sammy Nordström):
>Calling me a "nerd boi", even if meant as a joke, is it showing me respect?
>Well, in any case *I* don't think it is, so atleast respect that.

I understand, but apparently it was a joke. Actually this is another good example of what happens on ANN a lot of the time where someone says something which they think is funny only to have it taken the wrong way, or not realise how offensive the remark could really be.

Another problem was drummed home to me yesterday in the "closed AW thread" post. I was accused by someone of doing something I hadn't. I got a bit ratty about it and fired off a reply only to have Gregg point out that it was mistaken identity. Apologies were posted and business continued... Then Bernie had a go at me and I went off again. Once more... mistaken identity and more apologies... Then Kenny blasted me with even more accusations... guess what? Mistaken identity!!! Of course, by then I was getting used to it and it seems quite funny now ;-)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 65 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Sep-2004 04:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Darrin):
FYI, Gensei is a Japanese word meaning something like exactness or rigidness. Genesi is the computer company. :-)

-- gary_c
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 66 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 08-Sep-2004 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (gary_c):
>FYI, Gensei is a Japanese word meaning something like exactness or rigidness. Genesi is the computer company. :-)

Are you sure???!!! Damn, I've probably been making that mistake for 12 months!!! Thanks :-)

Boring trivia point: My mother-in-law teaches Japanese in Perth. I guess she'd have given me a "D-" for that.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 67 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Sep-2004 05:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (hooligan/dcs):
A dolphin & a flying horse on one case? Damn those stickers are going to eat alot of space on those cases, next we know it'll look like a computercase out of "my little pony" :P
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 68 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 06:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Darrin):
Well, this is not a case of mistaken identity and atleast you got an apology.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 69 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (gary_c):
Who cares? I mean, it's just a name anyway, right? :-P
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 70 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Sep-2004 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Sammy Nordström):
I'm not so sure you were insulted at all. The person wrote (in Comment 9, replying to your post), "Aight! Sign me and nerd boi up!!" What makes you sure "nerd boi" means you? Anyway, nothing wrong with nerds. Did you ever see the (obscure) movie, "Revenge of the Nerds"? Highly recommended. ;-)

-- gary_c
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 71 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 08-Sep-2004 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Sammy Nordström):
You're not a nerd boi?
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 72 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (gary_c):
Because the post was, as you said, in reply to my post and then because it's not the first time he calls me that.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 73 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Darth_X):
Sure I am. But then, even if it's true that someone is overweight, is calling him fat a way to show respect? I don't think so.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 74 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 08-Sep-2004 06:38 GMT
http://amigaworld.net/images/avatar/users/439.jpg guess who!!!!
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 75 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Sep-2004 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (anonymous):
Toaks! What did I win?
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 76 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (anonymous):
Eeeh... The norwegian games developer Tony Aksnes, perhaps?
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 77 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (hooligan/dcs):
Damn! You bet me to it. :-P
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 78 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 08-Sep-2004 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (gary_c):
>Did you ever see the (obscure) movie, "Revenge of the Nerds"? Highly recommended. ;-)

That was definately the best of the "Nerd" movies :-)

Besides, we're all "nerds" and "geeks" otherwise we wouldn't be using Amiga computers!!! ;-)

"I am a band-geek. I just never joined the band!" - American Pie 2
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 79 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Darrin):
>Besides, we're all "nerds" and "geeks" otherwise we wouldn't be using Amiga
>computers!!! ;-)

So, what does that make me; the nerd of the nerds? :-P
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 80 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 08-Sep-2004 07:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Sammy Nordström):
dont worry about it..
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 81 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by timofonic on 08-Sep-2004 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Darrin):
Please learn that is GENESI and not GENSEI, write GENSEI sounds despective and very lame...
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 82 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Sep-2004 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (timofonic):
Oh please drop it. Anyone can make a typo and like some Genesi supporters have already told us so many times, who cares about a "name" anyway?
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 83 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 08-Sep-2004 08:37 GMT
Wery good idea. I would like to add my support to this.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 84 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2004 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Sammy Nordström):
You do, appearently.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 85 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by minator on 08-Sep-2004 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Darrin):
>Good morning all. I've just logged on again, it's 9:10am, there's over 50 posts and
>everyone is happy and making jokes :-)

Still respecting each other in the morning is a good sign ;-P
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 86 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by o1i on 08-Sep-2004 08:50 GMT
Well, as nice as the idea is, I think some people *want* to
fight and flame, and even some people *want* to read that ;).
I dont' think, many people want to take it serious.

Maybe we should do the www.heise.de solution and name a certain
day of the week (like friday for windows/linux bashing on
heise). Of course someone should be responsible, that on
that day there is a suited news item to bash, like
KMOS is delivering t-shirts (maybe) or Genesi
joins the mumbo-jumbo-alliance. The content of that
news does not matter, as long as it contains the right
"keywords".

On friday I am busy reading heise, maybe Wednesday ;)?
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 87 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by GPL_POLICE on 08-Sep-2004 08:55 GMT
@darrin: nice idea and i sort of like the idea of peace and love, but its been tried before so it remains to be seen if this would actually help.

i have been fed up for a long time and i have been "away" most of the time , atleast from this board due to the high amount of fights and brawls.

anyway sign me up and i will tune myself into going here abit more often.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 88 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 08-Sep-2004 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (gary_c):
Completely agree, Gary. In fact, as someone else pointed, people tend to be kind, nice and respectful when you meet them in real life. It's just that some use the anonymity (and I don't mean only anonymous posters, but the fact that most of the time you don't personally know the person you are talking to) of the forum to attack in ways that he/she would not use with the other person in front.

Please, behind every nick there's a person who deserves to be respected. And if there's a person who insist in being disrespectful (arguing, trolling, insulting, etc.), please dont fuel him/her, just ignore him/her. Eventually, that person will get tired of getting no answer to his/her posts and will stop posting.

Again, debate instead of argue.

BTW, as a funny point, that's what my browser says about the link you included:

"www.irrefutable_evidense.com could not be found" ;¬)

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 89 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Sep-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Darrin):
Where did you find a 20 year young Volkswagen Minivan? /me want :)(proud owner of a late-model Beetle.... only 29 years old :)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 90 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Sep-2004 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ferry):
So it seems all evidense is refutable. We are humbled by this reality. ;-)

-- gary_c
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 91 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry on 08-Sep-2004 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
Darrin,

Regularly from other Amiga websites they were discussion and links referring to Flames on ANN.LU... This is why I avoided this site until now. But today I decided to give it a go, and well your message sounds positive... BUT
>Try to forget or ignore the past<
That the best way to do again the same mistakes. We should learn to it.

I think people here (MOS fans / Amiga Fans / others) should ask themselves ONE question before posting. Are they part of the Amiga Community (yes or no are the only possible answer).
If the answer is NO, then they may want to find another forum more "adapted" to what they are after.
If the answer is YES, then there can be only one side. If the Amiga Community was unified again, they will be so much stronger and will get noticed !
I personally believe that the A1/OS4 has a very good potential for the future. But if its userbase unified with the Pegs Userbase, developing HW/SW which can run on both platforms for example, then the Amiga Community may even have a chance to fight back a certain monopolistic company (OK I am talking about M$).

Already M$ announced that Longhorn will be scrapped of a lot of features to be able to respect (more or less) their deadline (2006 I think). By then, if OS4 can be ready with a lot of software (and maybe as well the Peg equivalent - I don't know much about pegs), including some killer apps, the Amiga Community may gain a lot of new followers (coming from M$ world) which would be positive for the whole of the Amiga Community (including Genesi, KMOS, Eyetech, Hyperion, and the everyone else involved).

Maybe the Fantasy case (see Reality Project) could even be use for a next Peg Generation ?

Sorry for the rather long post and thanks for reading.

Jerry
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 92 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 08-Sep-2004 15:58 GMT
Yes, and we can all watch the Teletubbies together!
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 93 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Lamont Cranston on 08-Sep-2004 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Jerry):
>I think people here...should ask themselves ONE question before posting. Are >they part of the Amiga Community (yes or no are the only possible answer).
>
>If the answer is YES, then there can be only one side.

That's been my feeling all along. There can ONLY be one side. Only us! We are the "children" of Jay Minor and I don't think he would be fighting like this!

Keep the Amiga Spirit alive!
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 94 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 08-Sep-2004 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (James Carroll):
Egads, it's the Mersey tunnel ;-)
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 95 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Sep-2004 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Jerry):
I think people here (MOS fans / Amiga Fans / others) should ask themselves ONE question before posting. Are they part of the Amiga Community (yes or no are the only possible answer).

Maybe yes or no are the only possible answer, but many people will want to define "Amiga Community" before answering. Of course, that definition has been the cause of many arguments in the past. To many, the word "Amiga" is now tainted because of its treatment by the owners and so some don't like the implied connection with the current ownership. Some/many who aren't strictly Amiga, Inc. followers might not feel comfortable with the label, as they consider their new platform "post-Amiga" or "Amiga and beyond" or something like that. And some in the community want to reserve "Amiga" for use as a brand name. I don't think you'll find these people want to extend "Amiga Community" to include competing companies and products.

In short, I think your idea is maybe too simplistic and, for various reasons, probably unacceptable to many in the community. If you want to define "Amiga Community" in a very broad way, then the choice to be in or out is easier, so the question is whether such an inclusive definition is OK with everyone. A community in real life is also made up of distinct neighborhoods.

-- gary_c
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 96 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2004 03:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Lamont Cranston):
> That's been my feeling all along. There can ONLY be one side. Only us! We are the "children" of Jay Minor and I don't think he would be fighting like this!
> Keep the Amiga Spirit alive!


sounds religious!



Jay Miner would be of the "blue" persuasion because he was all about hardware development, not taking someone elses board and slapping a bought name on it.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 97 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Sep-2004 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (gary_c):
>I don't think you'll find these people want to extend "Amiga Community" to
>include competing companies and products.

Probably not, which is no more odd than a soccer fan that only cheers on players from a specific team. Like I posted earlier, the "players" in this community need to start playing on the same team in order for their fan clubs to get along. It's as simple as that, really.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 98 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Sep-2004 03:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
>Jay Miner would be of the "blue" persuasion because he was all about hardware
>development, not taking someone elses board and slapping a bought name on it.

Well, then Commodore would have been of the "red" persuasion, now wouldn't they?
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 99 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 09-Sep-2004 04:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Sammy Nordström):
Actually no.. Sammy, if you'd knew the history abit better you would realize that Commodore did a ***load of desing, development etc in-house. What they purchased was a hazy ides/prototype of 68K based game-console...

Yes, the innovation was allready made, but a lot of hard work for making it happen was done at Commodore.
IT'S TIME TO RESPECT EACH OTHER : Comment 100 of 140ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Sep-2004 04:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (JoannaK):
Sounds like Eyetech. I mean, the innovation has already been made while Eyetech are the ones that make it available for the Amiga market, yes?
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