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[Forum] RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOSANN.lu
Posted on 11-Sep-2004 17:57 GMT by RC5110 comments
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see here: http://www.morphos-news.de/guides/rc5-72/dnet-mos-stats.php looks like many MorphOS users are lazy in last time, they easily could get 6000MKeys/day.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 1 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Sep-2004 16:05 GMT
How? OS4 isn't even on the list..
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 2 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 11-Sep-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Johan Rönnblom):
5 lines below morphos it says PowerPC/Amiga OS, wouldnt you guess this means Amiga OS4 ?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 3 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 11-Sep-2004 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
Doesn't it also include input from PUP and WOS clients?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 4 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Sep-2004 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
No. I've contributed to that platform, and I've never run OS4. If the
OS4 client is reporting as that platform, it needs to be fixed asap.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 5 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2004 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan Rönnblom):
OS4 client is reported as AmigaOS/PPC (which also includes PowerUP and WOS)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 6 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 11-Sep-2004 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan Rönnblom):
You can use your PC to crunch blocks for the AmigaOS effort... I hope this doesn't take you as a :O shock to you!
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 7 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Sep-2004 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (pixie):
No, you actually can't. Platforms != teams. You can be in any team you like but
the keys you crunch also end up in the platform you use in the listing.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 8 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 11-Sep-2004 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Correct, the platform / cpu info is buried deep into the client magic, and you can't affect that.

Grouping OS4 with old AmigaOS is slightly questionable, for example MacOS classic and MacOSX have unique IDs. At least without different ID such comparision against MorphOS are unfair.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 9 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2004 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Johan Rönnblom):
I think an altivec enabled dnetc for MorphOS could solve the problem of 'lazyness'.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 10 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2004 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Piru):
Well Johan, Piru actually it doesn`t matter ;-) The PPC Amigas are still sooo far behind, even if there are some days that they will crunch more numbers, well who cares ;-)
MOS is far ahead ;-) Not even in RC5 ;-)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 11 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by ToDi on 11-Sep-2004 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
It would need an altivec enabled MorphOS. The client is already altivec enabled!
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 12 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 11-Sep-2004 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan Rönnblom):
I don't see why the tag should be changed, as AOS4 *IS* AmigaOS PPC, shocking isn't it? :)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 13 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 11-Sep-2004 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Piru):
Grouping OS4 with old AmigaOS is slightly questionable, for example MacOS classic and MacOSX have unique IDs. At least without different ID such comparision against MorphOS are unfair.

MacOS Classic & OSX are very different beasts, so that comparisation doesn't really work i'm affraid (Classic is the same os as MacOS 7 more or less, while X is BSD based), and about the fairness, i honestly don't see your point there, it's not like these things are actually important, or showing how good/bad a particular OS is
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 14 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Sep-2004 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Amon_Re):
Sorry, but this would mean that MorphOS and OS4 are actually one and
the same platform. MorphOS really has more in common with
powerup.library, than OS4 has in common with either PowerUP or WarpUP.
To the best of my knowledge, OS4 does not run any PowerPC/AmigaOS
programs, while MorphOS runs both PowerUP and WarpUP programs. And
Hyperion have told that PowerUP support will be easier to do for OS4,
than WarpUP support.

Alternatively, it would mean that most of the keys crunched by the
"AmigaOS" platform are in fact not crunched by the AmigaOS platform at
all (that is, if you define "AmigaOS" as "the name", rather than
PowerUP or MorphOS). Which would be a little weird.

Well, of course it doesn't matter much in any OS4 vs MOS "battle", as
the MOS team is already more than 3 times further ahead. Even if OS4
altivec would be released before MOS altivec (MOS altivec has existed
longer of course, we'll just have to wait and see which is released
first) I strongly doubt OS4 could catch up. But I would have thought
that OS4 people at least wanted their own platform, which doesn't
start out with a base where most work is done by the "opponent".
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 15 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 11-Sep-2004 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amon_Re):
I think you should ask from those AwrpOS/PUP users if they want they hard-earned blocks to be used as a marketting ploy for this 'new OS'. Some of them may well like it, but I'm sure not all of them.

Besides.. that point is quite moot as these new eyetech systems (micro-A1:s with g3) ain't match with any G4 system with altivec enabled. Remingding me... Are you Mos-coders someday releasing that 1.5???
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 16 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by bæsjen on 11-Sep-2004 21:10 GMT
the mos-team should release an altivec-enabled mos1.4.2 so we could
kick some azz!
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 17 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2004 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (JoannaK):
Well /me has stopped the Classic Amiga PPC crunching of that reason. I am not going to support those so called OS 4.0 still cracking keys with the 68k but no longer with the PPC
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 18 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 12-Sep-2004 03:55 GMT
Sorry but AmigaOS 4.x is the update of AmigaOS 3.x. AmigaOS 4.x is running on PPC. If't you don't like it, that totally totally ok.

If you don't like that the stats have risen from 800 to 2400 something in about someweeks that's ok too.

But seriously, Johan if you absolutely hate os4, where's mos1.5?

(my moint is, stop hating so much we only want the better solution for our amigas, doesn't matter what name is behind it)


If you like nice Amiga stats: look at: http://polarboing.com/distributed
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 19 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Sep-2004 04:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Johan Rönnblom):
ROTFLOL!!!!!!

"Sorry, but this would mean that MorphOS and OS4 are actually one and
the same platform"

It's high time that the reality strikes!
MoprhOS is not AmigaOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 20 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Gelb on 12-Sep-2004 05:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
Hello

> It's high time that the reality strikes!
> MoprhOS is not AmigaOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are right as far as the name is concerned.

MorphOS is of course much more Amiga than anything Hyperion have created so far.

Just an example: The very very real true Amiga PPC Kernel used for PPC cards back then was WarpOS (Stephan Haeusser can testify this, just ask him), PowerUP on the other side was really really very very true real evil (ask Stephan).

Now lets check how capable OS4 is to run very real true in-the-spirit-of-Amiga (Stephan can testify) WarpOS applications: Zero. Lets check MorphOS' capabilities in this regard: Of course it runs really true amiga-spirited WarpOS applications.

Lets check the really true evil PowerUP: OS4 capbilities to run the really true evil PowerUP applications: Zero (although according to trustworthy sources connected to Hyperion, it is easier to make true real evil PowerUP applications run on OS4 than it is with true real amiga-like WarpOS applications). The same applied for the true real evil MorphOS: Of course it runs PowerUP applications.

This is a very shocking and depressing result. OS4 can't run true real amiga-spirited WarpOS applications, but also it can't run true real evil in-the-sense-of-MorphOS PowerUP applications.

Reality just hit me like a train at 300 kmh/h. I can't hardly breath at the moment due to these unbelieveable revelations.

BTW, what is the de-facto RTG standard on true real Amiga(TM) systems?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 21 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Sep-2004 05:46 GMT
There is a rumour going on that everyone contributing to RC5-72 are a bit gayish...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 22 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2004 06:48 GMT
Do not forget, before MorphOS had it's own native dnetc client, MorphOS user used the PowerUP client to crunch keys. prolly ca. 30% of the "OS4" keys are done by MorphOS!!!
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 23 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 12-Sep-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Nicolas Mendoza):
It is this the news title misleading: "RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS".
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 24 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 12-Sep-2004 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Gelb):
Your post is too coloured by emotion. You could have saved some typing by just saying "AmigaOS 4.0 doesnt run PUP or WOS software, but MorphOS runs both." ..no emotion there, just facts. Your post is the kind that got Wayne all wound up on amiga.org the other day. Too negative where it doesnt need to be.

Lets try and keep the good feeling going from the thread started by Darrin.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 25 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Cosmo on 12-Sep-2004 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Johan Rönnblom):
> Even if OS4 altivec would be released
> before MOS altivec

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1687
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 26 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 12-Sep-2004 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Cosmo):
@Cosmo
http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/dnetc-peg2-vec-1.0.txt

The client was made available January 19th.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 27 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Cosmo on 12-Sep-2004 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Piru):
Thanks for the link, I hadn't noticed this before. Seems both OSs are waiting for their next update before these two new RC5 clients can be used by the masses.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 28 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan Rönnblom):
Just one remark toward your hangst... what would you call to the PPC code that run on BlizzardPPC!? It's for Amiga and it runs on PPC... It isn't said anywhere that it's on AmigaOS 4. You would be pissed that you keys would be for Amiga OS 68k and still run the RC5 client trough emulator (not that it make sense other then comparing jit against native), if you run a wrapper to enable you to run either PUP/WUP binaries and then you find odd that it's counted as Amiga PPC!? It only make sense... I guess if you want to count on MOS then you should obviously run the MorphOS binaries.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 29 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
priest wrote:
> It's high time that the reality strikes!
> MoprhOS is not AmigaOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hm, there appears to be some bug in the input.device of OS4, that
causes unwanted repetition of some characters, particularly
punctuation.

Anyway, if MorphOS is not AmigaOS, in your opinion, then perhaps you
would want to remove those keys contributed by MorphOS systems from
your "official" AmigaOS platform statistics?

In my opinion, MorphOS is more "AmigaOS" than OS4 is, but I've no
problem if you have a different opinion. I'm just explaining that if
you want to do a comparison between MorphOS and OS4, which is what
this news item is discussing, then you need a specific platform for
OS4, that does not contain keys contributed by MorphOS. Presumably,
you would also want to remove keys contributed by PowerUP systems, as
these were never official, and are the forerunner of MorphOS rather
than of OS4. The only reasonable way to do this would be to create a
new platform. The loss would be rather neglible, as the
PowerPC/Amiga OS platform currently has less than a third of keys the
MorphOS platform has.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 30 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 10:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (pixie):
Your post doesn't really make sense, but I assume you want to ask
which platform the clients running PowerUP or WarpUP should be counted
as? The answer is simple: PowerPC/Amiga OS, as always.

Of course, if OS4 people want to, they can keep contributing to this
platform. But this would make any such comparison as is made in this
news item impossible, as you're comparing apples with apple pies. As I
think a fair number of OS4 supporters would like to be able to engage
in a constructive and friendly competition with MorphOS, I think
they'd be better of if they created a platform which makes such
comparisons possible.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 31 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Nicolas Mendoza wrote:
> But seriously, Johan if you absolutely hate os4, where's mos1.5?

There's no logic to that sentence. Anyway, my stance towards mos1.5 is
exactly the same as that towards OS4/release: It's not out yet,
therefore it's not an option. Unless you're satisfied with what is
there *now* (that is, OS4/pre or MOS 1.4) I always advise people to
look elsewhere, and if they are not satisfied with something else in a
few months, check back again to see if something has been released.

Does that make me a MorphOS hater? Apparently yes, by your "logic".
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 32 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Johan Rönnblom):
Let's put it this way: trough the values expressed in http://www.morphos-news.de/guides/rc5-72/dnet-mos-stats.php we have that:

PowerPC/MorphOS__ | 593,789 | 3,890
PowerPC/Amiga OS_ | 188,089 | 2,547
68K/Amiga OS_____ | 77,180 | 130

You said in comment 13: " Alternatively, it would mean that most of the keys crunched by the "AmigaOS" platform are in fact not crunched by the AmigaOS platform at all (that is, if you define "AmigaOS" as "the name", rather than
PowerUP or MorphOS). Which would be a little weird."

Is there any category for PUP/WUP/PowerPC, I don't see any referenced. When these products were first released they were a subset of AmigaOS. Now, if you crunch them trough an emulated machine as UAE you'll be sending the results (I would assume) to 68k/AmigaOS despite having the main machine x86/PPC based.

PowerUp is MorphOS? How do you diferenciate PowerUP/WarpUP running in Pegasos from PowerUP/WarpUP running trough AmigaOS in a BlizzardPPC? I would like you to adress that question as it would easen up the issue.

For me these are Amiga PPCbinaries and not to be ashamed up. I had a BlizzardPPC and my PPC programs were Amiga programs...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 33 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (pixie):
pixie wrote:
> How do you differentiate PowerUP/WarpUP running in Pegasos from
> PowerUP/WarpUP running through AmigaOS in a BlizzardPPC?

You don't. That's why they are all referred to as PowerPC/Amiga OS
rather than MorphOS or OS4.

> For me these are Amiga PPCbinaries and not to be ashamed up.

PowerUP is Amiga now? You do remember that WarpOS was the "official",
"name-approved" solution, do you? Well, if PowerUP is Amiga, then why
is MorphOS not Amiga? But you are right, they are Amiga PPC binaries,
rather than OS4 PPC binaries, which means you can't compare that
platform to MorphOS.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 34 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Johan Rönnblom):
I do now that PowerUP were a subset of libraries that would enable some programs to run on my Amiga. MUI isn't also official, but it's used in Amiga programs, unless... those programs are compiled either for MOS or AROS.

> PowerUP is Amiga now? You do remember that WarpOS was the "official",
> "name-approved" solution, do you? Well, if PowerUP is Amiga, then why
> is MorphOS not Amiga? But you are right, they are Amiga PPC binaries,
> rather than OS4 PPC binaries, which means you can't compare that
> platform to MorphOS.

It's you who are bringing the name issue. As far as I'm concerned I never discriminated PowerUP for not being the 'oficial' solution. It allowed me to run Amiga PPC programs. But as far as the classic line goes, Amiga PPC as you said is either classic PUP/WUP + AmigaOS 4 + A1 OS4, you have always the MOS native binaries...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 35 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Sep-2004 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (JoannaK):
I think you should ask from those AwrpOS/PUP users if they want they hard-earned blocks to be used as a marketting ploy for this 'new OS'. Some of them may well like it, but I'm sure not all of them.

How in heaven's name can you use this as marketting?!
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 36 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Sep-2004 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Johan Rönnblom):
I disagree, and i'm not going to stend hours in typing replies about this, the simple fact is, AmigaOS4 is by name & design AmigaOS, MorphOS might have alot in common with the design, but it is not AmigaOS by name, and guess what, the strings in those clients are just that, refurences to the names of the OS.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 37 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 12-Sep-2004 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Amon_Re):
I added new ID for MorphOS, and honestly I expected new ID to be added for AmigaOS4 too, just to get clean stats.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 38 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (pixie):
pixie wrote:
> It's you who are bringing the name issue.

No. Read the title of this news item. I merely remarked that there is
no OS4 team on that list.

You really have to choose, either you say that "anything goes", but
then AmigaOS/PPC is MorphOS as much as it is OS4. Or you say that
"Amiga" is the "name only", but then you certainly can't count PowerUP
keys as "OS4" keys. PowerUP was never "Amiga (tm)", and even less OS4.


Amon_Re wrote:
> [...] and guess what, the strings in those clients are just that,
> references to the names of the OS.

Right. Which happens to *not* be OS4. But anyway, I don't care - if
OS4 supporters don't want their own platform, it's not something that
matters to me. I just pointed out the simple fact that there is no
such thing as an OS4 platform, which makes the title of this news item
nonsensical.

Besides, it's a somewhat strange topic anyway, as MorphOS is the
system that surpassed the PowerPC/Amiga OS platform on march 17 this
year, as you can see f ex at
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=1491&forum=9&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 39 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Johan Rönnblom):
> You really have to choose, either you say that "anything goes", but
> then AmigaOS/PPC is MorphOS as much as it is OS4. Or you say that
> "Amiga" is the "name only", but then you certainly can't count PowerUP
> keys as "OS4" keys. PowerUP was never "Amiga (tm)", and even less OS4.

Who is talking here on AmigaOS 4, it's worded up PowerPC/Amiga OS, and as long as that discrimination is made, you run WUP/PUP and you run on PowerPC/Amiga OS. As for 'anything goes', it's not because Linux uses Wine that it instantaniously becomes Windows.

The history has tied PUP and WUP to Amiga OS, you have lots of Amigas running these systems and AFAIK MorphOS has it's kind of binaries, so PUP isn't exclusive to MOS.

I know this could eventually make no logic to you, but still and one more time, Amiga OS has evolved to PowerPC, but it had already started that migration on Classic machines. On Classic machines there were PowerUP binaries running *on top* of AmigaOS so turning it PowerPC/Amiga OS.

But why would anyone on a Pegasos do some crunch trough PowerUP, or by doing in their Classic pretending it to be MorphOS. If you run on top of MorphOS you should run the binary of MOS, if you run it on top of AmigaOS you make it an AmigaOS application... simple isn't it?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 40 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (pixie):
pixie wrote:
> Who is talking here on AmigaOS 4

Read the topic. Please. Read it.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 41 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Johan Rönnblom):
> But you are right, they are Amiga PPC binaries,
> rather than OS4 PPC binaries, which means you can't compare that
> platform to MorphOS.

But on the original platform you had PPC binaries being run on top of the OS either by PowerUP or WarpUP, in the end both would run on AmigaOS, if it's official or not doesn't make them inexistent. As MUI,or any other sets of libraries that aren't oficial but are nonetheless AmigaOS programs... as RC5 client is: a program running on top of AmigaOS in PPC.

Don't want to contribute to AmigaOS/PPC don't run the client trough P/WUP on top of AmigaOS or emulated trough MOS as 68K programs would be counted as AmigaOS/68K
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 42 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Johan Rönnblom):
Still doesn't see why you got so upset because of a title saying that AOS4 could catch your beloved/prefered platform of choice. I only stated that there are Classic AmigaOS running trough PPC and AmigaOS4 which belong to the same category until otherwise setten apart.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 43 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (pixie):
pixie wrote
> [trolling snipped] AOS4 could catch [more trolling snipped]

Yes it could theoretically, if an AOS4 platform existed, which is not
the case.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 44 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Johan Rönnblom):
The biggest blind isn't the one who doesn't see but the one who doesn't want to see... these keys aren't real and are all from the Classic PPC Amiga, as AOS4 is Vapor anyway...
At least you doesn't talk much while adressing nothing, or TheName at best...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 45 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Johan Rönnblom):
> Yes it could theoretically, if an AOS4 platform existed, which is not
> the case.

But then it's me making those trollish statements... :/
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 46 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (pixie):
AOS4 is not vapour. There exists an OS4 client, and presumably it
works with the OS4 prerelease (although without altivec). Thus this
would be a very good time to add a new ID for an OS4 platform.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 47 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Sep-2004 18:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Piru):
Adding the MOS key makes sense since it's a new OS, i don't see the point in adding another to differentiate AOS4 from AOS, the only reason why people could ask for that isn't based on logic but on emotions in my opinion.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 48 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Sep-2004 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Johan Rönnblom):
Right. Which happens to *not* be OS4. But anyway, I don't care - if
OS4 supporters don't want their own platform, it's not something that
matters to me. I just pointed out the simple fact that there is no
such thing as an OS4 platform, which makes the title of this news item
nonsensical.

Ok, lets assume everyone follows your reasoning.... then we would have 68k/aos1.x,
68k/aos2.x, 68k/aos3.x, ppc/aos3.x, ppc/aos4.x, x86/win3.1, x86/win95, x86/win98, x86/winme, x86/winNT1.x, x86/winNT2.x, X86/winNT4, etc etc etc etc etc.

Yea, that would definatly be better! </sarcasm>
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 49 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Sep-2004 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Johan Rönnblom):
Again, why bother? Give me one logical argument, one that isn't tainted by emotion, please
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 50 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2004 18:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Amon_Re):
I'll give you three.

1) OS4 is quite different to any previous "Amiga" OS'es, for example
it uses a whole new kernel, runs on a different hardware platform, and
is not compatible with previous PowerPC/Amiga OS programs. Just like
Apple clients changed platform ID during similar circumstances, it
would make a lot of sense to do this for OS4.

2) Some people, such as the poster of this newsitem, are obviously
looking forward towards a competition between OS4 and MorphOS. I see
nothing harmful in such a competition personally. But of course, this
is currently not possible, as most of the keys for the PowerPC/Amiga
OS platform were not contributed by clients running on OS4.

3) Attempts to politicise the PowerPC/Amiga OS platform by infering
that somehow "PowerPC/Amiga OS" is equal to "Amiga OS4" but contrary
to "MorphOS" will obviously put off a lot of people who do not want to
contribute to "Amiga OS4". As there is no way to select which platform
you want to contribute to, these people would simply have to stop
running the client altogether. This would mean fewer keys would be
contributed f ex to the Amiga team.
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