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Posted on 17-Sep-2004 10:30 GMT by Gary Pearman35 comments
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The new Reality Design website is now online! The website is the home of Project: Reality, which is a manufacturing and design project that will bring life to the Amiga Fantasy design by Marko Hirv. Please feel free to register on the forums and post questions in the FAQ section. More content will be added to the site over the coming weeks. Link
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Posted by support@amigaworld.org (80.203.43.226) on 17-Sep-2004 22:54 GMT
That webpage is a good one, but why a faked Amiga picture in the background? Why dont just go for next generation A1200 case? That would be great. I would buy it :)
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 18-Sep-2004 04:57 GMT
At this point I do hope you have checked how much it'll cost to make Molds for plastic cases.. And then consider realistic size of your product run.

Anyhow. I like the idea that it's not annnounced being available 'soon' ... Imho it's shows realism to wait at least 6 months so that we can see how well those uA1:s sell.
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Posted by Anonymous (67.180.42.149) on 18-Sep-2004 06:13 GMT
Project Reality? Nintendo 64?
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Posted by Gary Pearman (217.44.231.166) on 18-Sep-2004 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
It's not a 'faked' picture of an Amiga in the background. It's a brand new 3D render of the current case design by Jean-Christope.

As for prices, yeah we're looking into them. When we've got something conrete we'll let you all know.
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Posted by MrLastname (81.154.122.62) on 18-Sep-2004 09:55 GMT
My first impression on seeing the background image on the front page was "Eek why have they got Atari STs in the background?". Oops.
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Posted by Lando (82.69.46.251) on 18-Sep-2004 10:11 GMT
Nice page, nice idea, and I'm sure they mean well, but, like the Amiga coldfire project, I think this project is dead before it starts.
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Posted by Gary Pearman (217.44.231.166) on 18-Sep-2004 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Lando):
Thanks for the support!
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 18-Sep-2004 11:42 GMT
For what it's worth, I like the idea and I'll watch it with interest. If you have good designs and competitive prices then I'll certainly entertain the idea of using one of your cases to house my AmigaOne.

Good luck.
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Posted by Gary Pearman (217.44.231.166) on 18-Sep-2004 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Darrin):
Thanks for the support (really this time ;) ).

To anyone who doubts the projects viability: If we thought the project was not going to succeed, do you think we would have wasted all this time and energy in starting it in the first place? We've been working on Project: Reality for months now and progress is being made and all is looking good so far.

The success of the project depends on many variables. But the main two are :

1. Can we produce the system at a price that is low enough for people to be interested, without compromising quality and

2. Is anybody actually interested in it at all.

Hopefully, the answer is yes to both questions :). Time will tell I suppose.
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen (158.38.161.72) on 18-Sep-2004 12:12 GMT
"Integrated USB based Amiga style keyboard"

Would be lovely if someone couldt put together external Amiga style USB keyboards too.. I would buy a bunch :)

The background picture on the site suggest PC layout keyboard though, hmm.
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Posted by miksuh (193.65.42.66) on 18-Sep-2004 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Amiga USB-keyboard would be much too expensive, otherwise there would be one for the AmigaOne/pegasos already.
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Posted by Gary Pearman (217.42.34.23) on 18-Sep-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (miksuh):
Have you actually looked into this yourself? I suspect the main reason for an Amiga USB keyboard not being manufactured is due to lack of demand and not cost issues.
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Posted by reflect (217.215.157.170) on 18-Sep-2004 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Gary Pearman):
Demand is rather intimately tied to cost, though. Having a demand of 1000 units will yield a higher cost, than if you had a demand of 10.000 units.
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Posted by Gary Pearman (217.42.34.23) on 18-Sep-2004 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (reflect):
True enough, but without any demand it doesn't really matter how much something costs. It'll never see the light of day.
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 19-Sep-2004 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Gary Pearman):
Dear Gary,

Having just looked at the pictures (disn't find them the first time as I wasn't expected them to be under "links"), I have to say that what you're attempting to do is make a case that is going to end up looking like the "space saver PC" from Extreme. I always thought that design looked good and would be suitable for those of us who prefered to have something that looked like an A1200/A500 on the coffee table rather than a bulky brick-like desktop.

I was wondering if you considered looking at the existing "space-saver" PC case and simply adapting it for the AmigaOne motherboard rather than start your own case production line? I mean, the CD drive is located in the same place, the PC keyboards will be available and they are available in black or white... just a thought.
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Posted by Gary Pearman (217.44.230.84) on 19-Sep-2004 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Darrin):
Have you got a link to this case?
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 19-Sep-2004 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gary Pearman):
Sorry for the delay... it took me a while to find the link to the company...

http://www.cybernetman.com/

As you can see, it is a similar product to what you're trying to make. It may be a bit biggerthan you planned as I think it is designed to house a larger motherboard, but perhaps you could put that extra space to good use?

Hope it helps.
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Posted by reflect (217.215.157.170) on 19-Sep-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Darrin):
Wow, a constructive thread with almost only good replies. I'm shocked. The beginning of a new era, perhaps? :)

Gotta say I like it.
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 19-Sep-2004 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (reflect):
I think that all the recent threads have been "constructive" lately with very little trolling. Even when somebody has tried trolling it has been ignored. Let's face it, we've all got sick of the constant bitching, and I don't know about everyone else, but I'm getting far too old to take part in petty squabbles. ;-)
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 19-Sep-2004 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gary Pearman):
@ Gary,

It's also worth pointing out that these cases have a space for a floppy drive. Now I know floppies are dead, but quite a few people want to add a Catweasle to the AmigaOne in that PCI slot and have a truely Classic compatible floppy drive for use with AmigaUAE. This would satisfy them, and if made "modular" it could also be replaced with a Smart Media Reader, Wireless Ethernet, etc.

There's a page on the site that gives a cutaway view of the insides. Even if the case is not suitable, it may give you some ideas on how to lay your own out.
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Posted by smithy (195.92.168.169) on 19-Sep-2004 09:07 GMT
This smells of a hoax to me.
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Posted by John Block (212.158.233.118) on 19-Sep-2004 09:20 GMT
I was absolutely appalled when my pc arrived in a massive box, 1200 nice and compact to huge box is not progress.

(of course ignoring the previous clutter of external drives)
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Posted by John Block (212.158.233.118) on 19-Sep-2004 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (John Block):
The demand for this sort of design in the PC market may have been satisfied by laptops where costs are coming down as flat screen technology becomes cheaper.

Would this compete against a laptop amiga?

Also, sadly because of the time lost, there`s a pc on the desk which a new desktop amiga has to compete with. (Why spend hundreds when you have amiga forever on an amd64)

If an Amiga is a laptop there`s a reason for having a second computer.
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Posted by Darrin (Registered user) on 19-Sep-2004 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (John Block):
>The demand for this sort of design in the PC market may have been satisfied by
>laptops where costs are coming down as flat screen technology becomes cheaper.

I know what you mean. I just bought myself a new laptop with a 17" widescreen display, full keyboard with numeric keypad, P4 2.8GHz, 512MB, 64MB nVida graphics, DVD+R/RW, Wireless networking, firewire, 4 x USB2, Smart Card Reader, etc for less than US$1400 and I've been bringing an extra one on my business trip to Egypt with me each time I go to sell to workmates (the low dollar makes these things VERY attractive to Brits and Aussies).

However, we're comparing PC to Amiga again. The fact is, if we all wanted cheap hardware and a mainstream OS then we wouldn't be posting here. Just like Mac users, we want to be "different" and these A1200-like cases are certainly eyecatching. Also, you can house a nice big & fast hard drive instead of a limited capacity/speed laptop drive... and work on it yourself. Last time I took a laptop apart I had about 30 tiny screws lying around everywhere and the whole thing was worse than a jigsaw puzzle of a "black cat in a dark room" to put back together... ;-)
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Posted by gary_c (218.45.75.222) on 19-Sep-2004 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (smithy):
This smells of a hoax to me.

These guys are sincere AFAIK. Check amigaworld.net for discussions of the project.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Gary Pearman (217.42.34.2) on 19-Sep-2004 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (gary_c):
Doesn't really matter what it 'smells' like to you. We're doing it anyway. Thanks for all info guys.
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Posted by smithy (62.31.171.163) on 19-Sep-2004 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Gary Pearman):
Won't you need a license to run OS4?
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 19-Sep-2004 19:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (gary_c):
Sincere yes, but it will stall like all other of these dreamers projects. It will never take off, it will never become a viable product!
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Posted by Lando (82.69.46.251) on 19-Sep-2004 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (smithy):
The case would take a Micro-A1 board, which is already licensed to run OS4. I expect AInc will want a "name" licence fee though if the case has "Amiga" embossed or written anywhere on it.
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Posted by Gary Pearman (62.173.93.81) on 20-Sep-2004 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Lando):
We'll try and get Amiga on the case, but if it costs too much then KMOS can forget it :^)

It will succeed, but only if there is enough interest. If you have anything constructive to say (including criticism) then please head over to the forums and let us know what you think.
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Posted by Olegil (195.1.135.34) on 20-Sep-2004 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (smithy):
You don't need a license for the case just because the motherboard you bought and put in it runs OS4. The motherboard comes with a license, though ;-)

As for license to put "Amiga" on the case, that's a completely different story, and not really connected to "OS4", I would say.
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Posted by smithy (62.31.166.40) on 20-Sep-2004 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Olegil):
Oops. I had mistakenly thought that Project Reality was a new motherboard design.
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 21-Sep-2004 05:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Olegil):
I believe Eyetech has the "power" to sublicense the brand to third parties that makes use of AmigaInc-licensed-Eyetech-products. I think I read that somewhere. This is at least the deal between Genesi and Amiga Inc and I would be surprized if Eyetechs deal would be different in this aspect ...
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 21-Sep-2004 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Gary Pearman):
I can't comment for others, but personally... : I'm too tired to log on yet another forum for yet another product..

Anyhow.. it's your project.. But if you'll get numbers sorted and nice 2d/3d drawings made (note, inside must alse be drawn) let me know.. I do know some professional 3d modellers (industrial, not Game) and mold makers and can request an offer.
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Posted by Anonymous (195.148.82.17) on 21-Sep-2004 09:16 GMT
Good luck to this project. I might be interested to buy one of those cases when they are available. It would be cool to have MicroA1 in the case which looks like an real Amiga :)
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